Official AMD Ryzen 5000 Series & 7000 Series Thread

[Nagorak]

I'm actually kind of surprised that there's so much demand for Ryzen 5000. I mean, it's not that much better than an Intel i7 8000, 9000, 10000 series. So, you'd think if people had one of those they wouldn't be that interested in upgrading.

Meanwhile at least with RTX 3000 series you can see it's a pretty substantial boost in performance, and price/performance over GTX 1000 and RTX 2000 series (and AMD 5000 series, but kind of an afterthought since that was absent from the high end).

[andino]

I just want the extra cores for encoding.

[bill dennison]

AMD has already fallen flat on their face, when you order something that states it is shipping out on the 13th and the next day it becomes 3+ weeks, its no better than Nvidia.

we will see if AMD can get any better in the next 2 months after launch

as NV sure hasn't got any better only worse in the last two months since launch





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AMD Ryzen 5000 smashes processor sales records

The AMD Ryzen 5000 series of processors went on sale last week, but almost as soon as sales went live, they sold out, and some retailers have said it ended up breaking sales records.

According to Scan, a UK retailer, “Demand was extremely high and the launch stock we had sold through extremely quickly making it the fastest selling CPU launch we have ever seen,” and that this was “echoed across all of the launch retailers.”

"The best CPU launch EVER EVER EVER"

Mindfactory reports thousands of CPUs sold and inventory exhausted within 2 hours.

https://www.techradar.com/news/amd-r...-sales-records

[andino]

I think Covid is both increasing the demand for products and decreasing the availability of products due to production slowdowns.

This might be the new norm for a while.

And that sucks.

[KAC]

Updated my results with Hardware Unboxed 5600X results.

Here are my results thus far:

Hardware Unboxed has a 3090 in their rig but I am assuming that it doesn't matter as much. We have seen about 6% delta between a 3080 and a 3090 Trio at 1080P (Source). So let's say w/ my heavy overclock it is 5% delta for just exercise purposes. 8086K was run at 4.9 GHz w/ DDR4 3500 ram speeds C16. 3080 RTX was run at +100 core +750 memory overclock. In games was typically at 2040 MHz at 1080P. Comments are against a 5800X.

Everything at 1080P

Far Cry New Dawn - Ultra TAA
5800X - 132 FPS
10700K - 133 FPS
8086K - 128 FPS
5600X - 130 FPS

Net result can be explained due to a faster graphics card.

Watch Dogs Legion - Ultra Preset (no DLSS)
5800X - 115 FPS
10700K - 115 FPS
8086K - 100 FPS
5600X - 114 FPS

Net result 10% can be explained due to CPU.

Horizon Zero Dawn - Ultimate Quality
5800X - 164 FPS
10700K - 160 FPS
8086K - 148 FPS
5600X - 161 FPS

Net result of 5% can be explained due to CPU.

Borderlands 3 - Ultra Quality
5800X - 161 FPS
10700K - 167 FPS
8086K - 139 FPS (fixed this result as I had skipped shader optimization at the beginning of the game)
5600X - 160 FPS
Net result of 8% can be explained due to CPU.

Shadow of Tomb Raider - Ultra Quality
5800X - 165 FPS
10700K - 151 FPS
8086K - 164 FPS
5600X - 159 FPS
On par w/ 5800X. Wtf

BONUS using some other videos.
AC Odyssey 1080P Very High
5600X - 125 FPS
8086K - 113 FPS

NFS Heat Ultra - Night
5600X - 102 FPS
8086K - 105 FPS

Overall, with this update it seems I am definitely gaining something going to a Ryzen 5600X from an 8086K, however, small it maybe. I need to find some credible 1440P benches to really understand if it is worth it.

[andino]

My understanding is that at 1440p you are not measuring the CPU as much as the GPU. That's why they test CPU's with games at 1080P. To get an accurate apples to apples comparison. Anything over that and you are looking at GPUs..

[KAC]

I understand that but to assess an upgrade path I need to be able to assess my use case which is gaming. Unfortunately, 8086K is too old that no one bothers benching it at 1440P. So I have to make do with my own exercise.

I am tempted to just put the 300 dollars for a 5600X towards a 3080 Ti.

[andino]

I think you'll get a better bang for your buck going with the 3080ti.

[KAC]

Using this video here is a comparison at 1440P w/ a 5900X.

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Unfortunately, he is not using in game benches so have to rely on what I see on screen as a guideline. I am, however, using in built benches so that if I find a better video I can compare with it without having to re-run everything. Good thing is I can match the settings 100% since the person takes the time to show exactly what settings they are running.

AC Odyssey - Ultra
5900X - ~92 FPS
8086K - 91 FPS

NFS Heat - Ultra - Day
5900X - ~120 FPS
8086K - ~120 FPS

Shadow of Tomb Raider - Maxed out
5900X - ~120 FPS (though scenes are clearly low poly in the video compared to benchmark)
8086K - 108 FPS

Far Cry 5 - Ultra
5900X - ~120 FPS
8086K - 118 FPS

Forza Horizon 4 - Ultra
5900X - ~130 FPS
8086K - 157 FPS

Far Cry New Dawn - Ultra
5900X - ~105 FPS
8086K - 118 FPS

Clearly at 1440P the differences are negligible. Of course this is not 100% apples to apples testing but still goes to show that I am looking at 2-5% up or down depending on game. A 3080 Ti is likely to guarantee me 5-10% improvement at 1440P/4K for likely the same $300.

[Nagorak]

If you already have an 8086K it really is not worth it at 1440P. You should just wait for next gen (either or GPU or CPU) when the difference becomes big enough to matter.

[KAC]

Yes after spending about an hour benching and comparing scores with at least 3-4 different reviews I think I am going to be skipping the 5000 series entirely. Will release my 5600X back order soon.

[NWR_Midnight]

AMD has already fallen flat on their face, when you order something that states it is shipping out on the 13th and the next day it becomes 3+ weeks, its no better than Nvidia.

Was that order directly from AMD? If it was directly from AMD, then you have some thing to bitch about. If it was from one of their resell partners.. IE Amazon, Newegg, etc. That is on them for selling more than they had in stock.

Other than that, you seem to not correlate the difference between being out in seconds vs minutes.. and some how believe they equal the same.

[andino]

Other than that, you seem to not correlate the difference between being out in seconds vs minutes.. and some how believe they equal the same.

It's semantics.

The end result is that they are out of stock on the day they released.

Which means that both AMD and nVidia had paper launches.

[KAC]

This seconds vs minutes nonsense is irrelevant as demand can be different for each product making it seconds vs minutes. And as long those numbers are not known there is no comparisons to be drawn.

I do know that 5900X was not purchasable on release after first minute and 5800X only lasted for 3-5 minutes. Since then there has been a trickle of drops for 5800X and 5950X but 5900X seems to be MIA. 5600X has some drops but all for back orders till December.

So AMD is having the same or worse shitshow as Nvidia. At least Nvidia had steady drops multiple times weekly. AMD is literally MIA right now.

[bobvodka]

AMD out of stock in 15 Minutes world wide, % of demand met unknown....

Based on the numbers Scan in the UK put out they had 10,000 people trying to order a CPU when they went live last week.

They currently have around 2,500 outstanding orders, so they seemed to cover around 70% to 75% of orders they had.

I managed to score a 5950X, which turned up Saturday although I've only just found the time to do the build - I'd ordered within 3mins of sales going live.

Someone I work with tried to order a 5900X, they ordered at around 6mins but got flipped to preorder, about 1200 in the queue. (They are pretty chill about it however as they are still waiting for NV parts... and a wall to be knocked out in their house...).

[12Bass]

... Clearly at 1440P the differences are negligible. Of course this is not 100% apples to apples testing but still goes to show that I am looking at 2-5% up or down depending on game. A 3080 Ti is likely to guarantee me 5-10% improvement at 1440P/4K for likely the same $300.

Yup

[acroig]

I am tempted to just put the 300 dollars for a 5600X towards a 3080 Ti.

I think you'll get a better bang for your buck going with the 3080ti.

[badsykes]

How is Intel Beating AMD Zen 3 Ryzen in Gaming?

[pax]

Looks like TPU cleared up its day1 review:

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/i...g-performance/

If you've read our AMD Ryzen 5000 Series "Zen 3" reviews last week, you will have definitely wondered about our gaming performance scores—so did we. While application performance showed the expected impressive gains, gaming saw the new Ryzens neck-and-neck with Intel only. AMD marketing materials, on the other hand, show a double-digit FPS lead, which is corroborated by most reviewers, too. This lack of a clear win caused many of you to send feedback. Thanks, I always appreciate learning how people feel. Some emails weren't so nice, but still, thanks for voicing your opinion.

As promised, I spent the last few days digging into these performance numbers and found something worth reporting.

[KAC]

At 1440P there doesn’t seem to be any difference really. Wow.

[pax]

Depends what games you play







But point is if you keep your rig 4-5 years and keep upgrading your gpu that 20% ipc will be there vs current intel. This cpu upgrade makes sense if you are stuck on 4 cores imo.

[Nunz]

I've definitely seen some CPU limits at 3840x1600 with my 9900K at 5.1Ghz in Valhalla.

[Nascar24]

Was that order directly from AMD? If it was directly from AMD, then you have some thing to bitch about. If it was from one of their resell partners.. IE Amazon, Newegg, etc. That is on them for selling more than they had in stock.

Other than that, you seem to not correlate the difference between being out in seconds vs minutes.. and some how believe they equal the same.

Nope, it wasn't on them, They put it up for preorder because Im sure they had the number that was suppose to show up on Friday, then the next day AMD says oh sorry, we cant keep up like our brothers at Nvidia.

[Shapeshifter]

As I have said in the discord awhile back, people don't review the cpu's properly barring a few places like anadatech. they are reviewing the gpu with different cpu's more then the cpu itself.

The 5000 series looks like they will be able to stretch their legs more after another generation of new gpus are out.

It'd be like me with my RX 580 atm and upgrading to a 5900x or a 10900k system and sticking with my 580 and complaining my fps hasn't changed at all compared to my current system.

Duh. I'm gpu limited.

[Nascar24]

As I have said in the discord awhile back, people don't review the cpu's properly barring a few places like anadatech. they are reviewing the gpu with different cpu's more then the cpu itself.

The 5000 series looks like they will be able to stretch their legs more after another generation of new gpus are out.

It'd be like me with my RX 580 atm and upgrading to a 5900x or a 10900k system and sticking with my 580 and complaining my fps hasn't changed at all compared to my current system.

Duh. I'm gpu limited.

I say the 5900X is probably good for the next 2 generations of GPU's at 4K no problem. Probably no need for a new setup for quite a while after I get my 5900X someday.

[metroidfox]

I guess we'll need to wait for more benchmarks to see for sure. But looks like AMD may have already had the single core performance crown taken from them.


https://thenextweb.com/plugged/2020/...mini-analysis/

[NWR_Midnight]

Nope, it wasn't on them, They put it up for preorder because Im sure they had the number that was suppose to show up on Friday, then the next day AMD says oh sorry, we cant keep up like our brothers at Nvidia.

You are sure they had the numbers the expected from AMD? okay. You are most likely right on this. They knew what they ordered and would receive. The only thing is, almost EVERY company sets their preorders based on projections based off previous trends, current trends in sales and in cancellations. What this means is they take the amount of processors ordered, based of their calculations, they determine how many are going to be preorders and how many are going to be for immediate sale on their website at launch. The amount of preorders taken in, will always be higher than the amount they allot for pre-orders because they calculate in a percentage of cancellations. So in all honestly, it appears they miscalculated. But I get it, you want to huff and puff and blame AMD. Okay.

[NWR_Midnight]

I guess we'll need to wait for more benchmarks to see for sure. But looks like AMD may have already had the single core performance crown taken from them.


https://thenextweb.com/plugged/2020/...mini-analysis/

Geekbench is not reliable. Also, not apples to apples comparison unless they are testing all processors with the same OS, and I double Apple was tested using windows 10.

[Nascar24]

You are sure they had the numbers the expected from AMD? okay. You are most likely right on this. They knew what they ordered and would receive. The only thing is, almost EVERY company sets their preorders based on projections based off previous trends, current trends in sales and in cancellations. What this means is they take the amount of processors ordered, based of their calculations, they determine how many are going to be preorders and how many are going to be for immediate sale on their website at launch. The amount of preorders taken in, will always be higher than the amount they allot for pre-orders because they calculate in a percentage of cancellations. So in all honestly, it appears they miscalculated. But I get it, you want to huff and puff and blame AMD. Okay.

They had the pre-order up for probably 5 mins. tops. I'm sure they had it set for the amount they were suppose to receive on Friday and the system closed them off when it was reached. They were not like B&H who take about 10 thousand orders and then tell you that you will get one next March. I'm keeping it as I know once they get it, they will ship it out right away and I'm not like 10k in line.

[NWR_Midnight]

They had the pre-order up for probably 5 mins. tops. I'm sure they had it set for the amount they were suppose to receive on Friday and the system closed them off when it was reached. They were not like B&H who take about 10 thousand orders and then tell you that you will get one next March. I'm keeping it as I know once they get it, they will ship it out right away and I'm not like 10k in line.

Wait, the preorder was up a whole 5 minutes, and somehow it's AMD's fault? That right there indicates they took more preorders than inventory. To put it in perspective, if they had designated 100 cpus for preorder, and they calculated that they would have 10% cancellations from previous trends, they would set the cut off at 110 pre-orders. If they had no cancellations, and you where the 101 pre-order, you lost out. It's also possible due to the shear amount of simultaneous placed orders, the system didn't close the pre-orders at the precise time and inadvertently took more orders than it was supposed to.


I am not saying that AMD didn't have supply issues, or the demand wasn't more than they where prepared for. All I am saying is that from all markers, they are no where near as bad as NVidia. Not even close.

[Nascar24]

Wait, the preorder was up a whole 5 minutes, and somehow it's AMD's fault? That right there indicates they took more preorders than inventory. To put it in perspective, if they had designated 100 cpus for preorder, and they calculated that they would have 10% cancellations from previous trends, they would set the cut off at 110 pre-orders. If they had no cancellations, and you where the 101 pre-order, you lost out. It's also possible due to the shear amount of simultaneous placed orders, the system didn't close the pre-orders at the precise time and inadvertently took more orders than it was supposed to.


I am not saying that AMD didn't have supply issues, or the demand wasn't more than they where prepared for. All I am saying is that from all markers, they are no where near as bad as NVidia. Not even close.

That was a guess, Probably wasn't even that long. Yes it was AMD's fault. It was exactly like I said. Antonline isn't exactly the top known spot for tech. I got a PS5 through them on preorder day and it was available for a good 10 hours on their site before it sold out. They even had the date I'm sure AMD gave them, Friday. Not sure why you insist AMD is better then Nvidia. 3 Plus weeks makes them no better. Sorry.

[NWR_Midnight]

That was a guess, Probably wasn't even that long. Yes it was AMD's fault. It was exactly like I said. Antonline isn't exactly the top known spot for tech. I got a PS5 through them on preorder day and it was available for a good 10 hours on their site before it sold out. They even had the date I'm sure AMD gave them, Friday. Not sure why you insist AMD is better then Nvidia. 3 Plus weeks makes them no better. Sorry.

How long did it take you to get your rtx 3000 series card? Wasn't it nearly 2 months after launch? and what hoops did you go thru to do it? But yet, 3 weeks for a preordered AMD cpu is somehow the same. Then you try to compare it to buying a PS5 I get it, your going to believe what makes you sleep better, right or wrong. Thanks for the laugh!

[Nascar24]

How long did it take you to get your rtx 3000 series card? Wasn't it nearly 2 months after launch? and what hoops did you go thru to do it? But yet, 3 weeks for a preordered AMD cpu is somehow the same. Then you try to compare it to buying a PS5 I get it, your going to believe what makes you sleep better, right or wrong. Thanks for the laugh!

Quit your fanboying already! Yes its the same, It was over a month for the 3080 and it will be a month or more for the 5900X The difference between you and me is your bias is showing through and through. I have a Nvidia GPU and an AMD CPU. I dont care who Im buying from if its good. Its looking like the same garbage between the 2. who cares, let it go already. Its just fact.

[NWR_Midnight]

Quit your fanboying already! Yes its the same, It was over a month for the 3080 and it will be a month or more for the 5900X The difference between you and me is your bias is showing through and through. I have a Nvidia GPU and an AMD CPU. I dont care who Im buying from if its good.

It has nothing to do with fanboyism. It had to do with the facts that don't support your position Your own explanation of what took place doesn't even support your position. I also have an AMD CPU, and a NVidia GPU.. your point?

So which is it: 3+ weeks to get the CPU or is it over a month now? Didn't you just get your RTX 3080 the end of this last week.. that's like about 7 weeks from launch? Pretty sure 7 weeks is near 2 months just as I said.

It's funny that you are screaming fanboyism when you refuse to even consider all the facts that indicate different from what you believe. Even Bobvodka gave information that demonstrats that AMD has met nearly 70% of demand unlike Nvidia. I guess it's your choice to confuse such information as fanboyism.

[Nascar24]

I give up, This is pointless. and no I have had my 3080 for a good while now.

[MangaSpawn64]

Just talked to my local shop and it's a paper launch... He expect to get them at the end of the month. I had him to save a 5900X for me

[Nascar24]

Just a note about higher Temps of the 5000 series.

Robert Hallock's response to all Zen 3 thermal concerns
News
Hey all,

I wanted to be the messenger for this so it could easily be visible and possibly even get pinned for future visitors. I had a quick exchange with Robert(AMD_Robert) because I too had questions about the new CPUs(you can see my thread about it and many, many others here popping up every day). I came to a conclusion yesterday and asked Robert:

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Me(my own bold and italics): Hi Robert,

There have been many posts about thermals for these chips and I've read a few of your responses to them, as well as this graphic. Basically what you are telling us is that we have to change our understanding of what is "good" and "undesirable" when it comes to CPU temps for Zen 3, right? Cause I see you repeating the same info about how 60-90C is expected(i.e., where 78C may have been the top range, 90C now is, hence your statements about extra thermal headroom) and yet people keep freaking out because of what they have been used to, whether it's from Zen 2 or team blue?

Robert(his bold font):

Yes. I want to be clear with everyone that AMD views temps up to 90C (5800X/5900X/5950X) and 95C (5600X) as typical and by design for full load conditions. Having a higher maximum temperature supported by the silicon and firmware allows the CPU to pursue higher and longer boost performance before the algorithm pulls back for thermal reasons.

Is it the same as Zen 2 or our competitor? No. But that doesn't mean something is "wrong." These parts are running exactly as-designed, producing the performance results we intend.

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I know I caught myself in a mentality of "anything over 70C is going to be undesirable" because of my experience and watching others' benchmarks with great cooling. We've seen thermals are very diff for gaming vs benchmarking. It seems we should be changing our perspective of what's "good" and "bad" in terms of temps for Zen 3 due to what we're officially hearing from AMD. The benefits of and desires for lower temps would be a separate discussion. Whether we like this info or not is also probably irrelevant. It'd be great to see tests on single-thread and multi-thread performance over the course of 30+ mins to see how if there is any thermal throttling behavior for either games or synthetic benchmark tests.

[KAC]

Got a gay locally to keep one for me for Saturday pick up. Let’s see if this comes through. If it does then I am building a 5900X rig without any good reason.

[Trunks0]

Just talked to my local shop and it's a paper launch... He expect to get them at the end of the month. I had him to save a 5900X for me

Sorta.... But that said, the 5800X is still in stock at all but one BC location for in-store only as of this post.

https://www.canadacomputers.com/prod...item_id=183431

I'm tempted as I plan to upgrade my entire rig very soon and this is totally in the running... but the price is putting me off... see if I can resist on my way home from work tomorrow

[pax]

630 CAD is too much. They need to drop it to 399 USD which is the reasonable price for 25% more cores over the 5600x. Id be a buyer then tho cant get myself to choose a mobo...