Official AMD Ryzen 5000 Series & 7000 Series Thread

[Meteor_of_War]

Because there is no basis or reasoning to suggest it'll be worthwhile for gaming.



Both PS5 and XBox are now 8 core consoles. Those are systems are just now coming out, so I can't see anything beyond 8 core being that much better for the next 5+ years.



For a lot of people, video cards come and go annually or semi-annually. However, the CPU tends to stick around a long time. It's the one thing you want to get right the first time, as often everyone purchases a motherboard, memory, etc to go along with it.

I suppose. Like i mentioned the new consoles being 8 core makes for a good reason.

However we dont know yet how much that will be a factor in performance of 6 core processors in console ports on PC this gen yet. Other things like superior GPU performance of discrete graphics could make it moot. Or could just never even matter much at all.

[Nascar24]

I dont know, I'm with GN, the 5800X doesn't offer anything over a 5600X right now for $150 for gaming. Even though I was on the 8 core bandwagon as well. I still think I would pick up the 5600X

[Nagorak]

I think the problem with the 5800X is it's too expensive. If you need more cores for productivity it makes sense to simply go up to the 5900X as they priced it. The 3700X made sense from the standpoint that it was right between the 3600 and the 3900X, so if you spent a little more you got two more cores. Now you have to spend a huge amount more. Granted, the 5600X is basically as fast as a 3700X, but still that's not an improvement in core heavy workloads.

Regarding whether to upgrade or not, realistically if you've had an 8700K or above no upgrade has really made sense at all just for gaming (whether Intel 9000 series, or this). You're talking a very small gain in situations where you're not GPU limited. That's just how it goes. It's clear we're not going back to the 90s where we saw 20-50% gains every year. Bad in some ways, but good in other ways, like not having to constantly be upgrading to keep your performance up to par.

[MangaSpawn64]

I think the problem with the 5800X is it's too expensive.

My thoughts as well... I'm gonna go with a 5900X, coming up from a 4790, should be a very nice upgrade. Was planning to go with a 5800, for the price difference I'd rather have the 4 more cores.

[Megaman]

My thoughts as well... I'm gonna go with a 5900X, coming up from a 4790, should be a very nice upgrade. Was planning to go with a 5800, for the price difference I'd rather have the 4 more cores.

Huge leap!

[MangaSpawn64]

Huge leap!

970 > 3070

256 GB Sata SSD > Samsung 970 Pro

Can't wait, I just hope I'll be able to secure the parts (upgrading in december). Local shop said they have 3070 coming every few days so stock is not really a problem. 5900x is scaring me though.

[Gandalfthewhite]

so it seems that ram speed plays a larger difference in ryzen 5000 performance
GN hand tuned their mem
Linus was running 3600
der8auer used 4000 and was running 2000 infinity fabric

[Treeckcold57]

I might be getting a 5900X...but I'm afraid I won't buy it on this time. Probably late December or early Jan. I don't know yet. I need more time to think about it.

[Shapeshifter]

so it seems that ram speed plays a larger difference in ryzen 5000 performance
GN hand tuned their mem
Linus was running 3600
der8auer used 4000 and was running 2000 infinity fabric

apparently a number of people have done 2066-2100 or so as well

[Riptide]

I want a 5900x but misssed the chance on launch and now everything is out of stock.

[KAC]

I want a 5900x but misssed the chance on launch and now everything is out of stock.

Come back next year.

[KAC]

Hardware unboxed also raped 5800X in the intro.

[Riptide]

Well that is my concern but there isn't much that can be done about it. Debating whether I want to just get a 5600X at this point over a 5900X and save the money. It somehow bothers me to be reducing my core count by 6 though.

Seems too, my hopes of getting a 6800XT are pretty unlikely at this point.

If you aren't running a good bot and/or spending your life in front of a computer pressing F5 waiting for a drop, 2020 is not looking good.

[KAC]

Well that is my concern but there isn't much that can be done about it. Debating whether I want to just get a 5600X at this point over a 5900X and save the money. It somehow bothers me to be reducing my core count by 6 though.

Seems too, my hopes of getting a 6800XT are pretty unlikely at this point.

If you aren't running a good bot and/or spending your life in front of a computer pressing F5 waiting for a drop, 2020 is not looking good.

I ordered the 5800X twice and cancelled. Second time I was also ready to order the MSI X570 Unify board as well. I am now running some benches to compare my 8086K w/ these new processors in gaming benchmarks (to the best that is possible).

[Nascar24]

I’m still feeling I want to pick up a 5600X, I guess just the upgrade bug and the reasonable price even though I won’t be gaining much of anything

[KAC]

You already have the board so for you it is like a 150 bucks upgrade at worst.

[KAC]

Here are my results thus far:

Hardware Unboxed has a 3090 in their rig but I am assuming that it doesn't matter as much. We have seen about 6% delta between a 3080 and a 3090 Trio at 1080P (Source). So let's say w/ my heavy overclock it is 5% delta for just exercise purposes.

Everything at 1080P

Far Cry New Dawn - Ultra TAA
5800X - 132 FPS
10700K - 133 FPS
8086K - 128 FPS
Net result can be explained due to a faster graphics card.

Watch Dogs Legion - Ultra Preset (no DLSS)
5800X - 115 FPS
10700K - 115 FPS
8086K - 100 FPS
Net result 10% can be explained due to CPU.

Horizon Zero Dawn - Ultimate Quality
5800X - 164 FPS
10700K - 160 FPS
8086K - 148 FPS
Net result of 5% can be explained due to CPU.

Borderlands 3 - Ultra Quality
5800X - 161 FPS
10700K - 167 FPS
8086K - 128 FPS (pretty sure something is off here - maybe my AA is too high)
Not sure what happened here but it seems 15% improvement can be explained due to CPU.

Shadow of Tomb Raider - Ultra Quality
5800X - 165 FPS
10700K - 151 FPS
8086K - 164 FPS
On par w/ 5800X. Wtf

So yeah after my own testing my conclusion is that I definitely don't need to throw more money on gaming. Not sure if this helps someone.

[metroidfox]

I was so tempted to pick up a 5600X on launch day, but decided against it. Want to see how a 3070 Ti or 6800XT would work with my 1600X before upgrading. Assume both would get me into playable rates, and I care less about going from 100 to 200 fps.

[Trunks0]

Could just wait for the non-x versions of these. If your not chomping at the bit for an upgrade, just hold off abit. Plus you can always upgrade this part later if 8 cores turns out to be the way to go.

[Nagorak]

so it seems that ram speed plays a larger difference in ryzen 5000 performance
GN hand tuned their mem
Linus was running 3600
der8auer used 4000 and was running 2000 infinity fabric

Memory speed has actually made a pretty big difference with previous Ryzen generations too. For all people liked to say that "Intel is better for gaming", a memory tuned Ryzen 3000 system could be as fast in games as an Intel system running with slower memory/XMP settings. Of course, once you also tuned the Intel system, it went back into the lead again.

If the CPU is faster overall, it probably stands to reason it would benefit more from additional memory bandwidth.

[KAC]

So did anyone here actually buy one or was it just me?

[Gandalfthewhite]

nope buying a new GPU first then I will worry about if I want a cpu or not (between IPC and SAM it is likely worth it)

[pax]

Well hells bells I knew some of them would finally break:


https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-5000-...support-added/

AMD Board Partners Showcase Ryzen 5000 Desktop CPUs Running on A320 & X370 Motherboards, Selective BETA-BIOS For ASUS & Gigabyte B450 Motherboards Out Now

The report comes from various forums where users have already got access to BETA BIOS for the A320 & X370 motherboards which allows support for AMD Ryzen 5000 Desktop CPUs. According to a member of Chiphell Forums, the AMD 300-series motherboards can fully support the Ryzen 5000 series processors and one such sample has been shown running on an entry-level ASRock A320M-HDV motherboard.

Course after all the bitching Ive done on this now Im coninced you really should get a PCIE4 mobo for that buses ability for next gen world building games...

[Nascar24]

So did anyone here actually buy one or was it just me?

I think I’m going to buy a 5600X whenever I can find one in stock.

[CurrentlyPissed]

4 sticks perform 5-10% better than 2 sticks on Ryzen 5600X.

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[KAC]

4 sticks perform 5-10% better than 2 sticks on Ryzen 5600X.

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Good info. Thanks. Will keep in mind to order them 8X4 kits.

[Gandalfthewhite]

This requires clarification and Steve actually messed up part of what he was saying because he was only using single rank kits.

4 sticks of SINGLE rank sticks beats 2 sticks of SINGLE rank kits

2 sticks of DUAL rank sticks beats both of these.


2xDR > 4xSR > 2xSR

[KAC]

Now I am seriously confused. What are we talking about and what do I need to buy next time these processors are available?

[Seyiji]

Now I am seriously confused. What are we talking about and what do I need to buy next time these processors are available?

Instructions unclear dick stuck in toaster aka wait for the inevitable follow up video from GN or wait for HW Unboxed to gather all info and report proper procedure for performance gainz by Monday.

So sayeth the Sey after he stops banging toasters within 6 months,,,6....6 month.month month electronic old men..en..en ⚡

[clerick]

Because there is no basis or reasoning to suggest it'll be worthwhile for gaming.

Both PS5 and XBox are now 8 core consoles. Those are systems are just now coming out, so I can't see anything beyond 8 core being that much better for the next 5+ years.

For a lot of people, video cards come and go annually or semi-annually. However, the CPU tends to stick around a long time. It's the one thing you want to get right the first time, as often everyone purchases a motherboard, memory, etc to go along with it.

Thing is, the consoles have one to two cores always reserved for OS/backdrop related functions, so the games will at most use either 12/14 threads (and whether games will get to a point to utilize all threads and not be gpu bound in that generation is a big if). Furthermore the consoles use zen 3xxx based cpus, and lower clocked. 5600x is faster just clock speed wise, as well as the ipc boost and faster ram. So as far as games goes, i have 0 belief consoles/ports will ever use anything that requires over 12 threads, and by the time it does in 2026 (and thats a big if) you'll already have upgraded to whatever 10/12core/20/24 thread cpu on the cheap.

[CyanBlues]

So did anyone here actually buy one or was it just me?

I picked a 5900x at microcenter, went to wait in line at about 7:15ish am, was able to get one even though I was like 30th in line. Also didn't realize at the time that they had rtx3080's as the some people in front and after were able to get both

[KAC]

Awesome! Do tell us how you like the performance.

[Meteor_of_War]

I suppose. Like i mentioned the new consoles being 8 core makes for a good reason.

However we dont know yet how much that will be a factor in performance of 6 core processors in console ports on PC this gen yet. Other things like superior GPU performance of discrete graphics could make it moot. Or could just never even matter much at all.

Hardware Unboxed makes some good relevant points on this debate, starting at the 18:20 mark.

https://youtu.be/y7ukz8WUdW4

[Nascar24]

If your main focus for your computer is gaming, then the 5600X should be your choice watching that video. Looks like it will not have an issue for years to come. Would even push the future GPU upgrade without issue.

[Riptide]

4 sticks perform 5-10% better than 2 sticks on Ryzen 5600X.

Good lord have you seen the cost involved for that if you want 8x4 PC4000 with lower timings?

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-...82E16820232973

32GB anyway, gonna cost a mint.

If your main focus for your computer is gaming, then the 5600X should be your choice watching that video.

I'm seriously considering picking one up and not looking back if I can find it in stock before a 5900x pops up. I check every day and today wasn't the day lol

[Nunz]

4 sticks perform 5-10% better than 2 sticks on Ryzen 5600X

There is much more to this than just 2 vs 4 sticks. It also depends on if your motherboard is daisy-chain or T-tapology for how it routes the tracers for the DRAM. 2 sticks of Dual Rank will be faster than 2 sticks of single rank (typically), but 4 sticks of single rank can be faster than 4 sticks of Dual rank if you have the right motherboard. It's not as simple as "2x sticks better than 4x sticks" unfortunately. Motherboard, ram, even the CPU memory controller can make one better than the other.

[0091/2]

There is much more to this than just what RAM. It also depends on if your motherboard is daisy-chain or T-tapology for how it routes the tracers for the DRAM. 2 sticks of Dual Rank will be faster than 2 sticks of single rank, but 4 sticks of single rank can be faster than 4 sticks of Dual rank if you have the right motherboard. It's not as simple as "2x sticks better than 4x sticks" unfortunately. Motherboard, ram, even the CPU memory controller can make one better than the other.

How do you know what Rank the Ram is? As an example the Ram Riptide linked doesn't say what Rank it is. It's a quad stick - does one assumes it's 4x single rank?

[pax]

How do you know what Rank the Ram is? As an example the Ram Riptide linked doesn't say what Rank it is. It's a quad stick - does one assumes it's 4x single rank?

Theres a list here tho a bit older but seems rare to find dual rank above 3466 speed.


https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...nfusion_eg_on/

[Nunz]

How do you know what Rank the Ram is? As an example the Ram Riptide linked doesn't say what Rank it is. It's a quad stick - does one assumes it's 4x single rank?

If it comes in a set, it will be either all single rank, or all dual rank. The best way to find out is to simply google the model number of the set you have. Typically those 4x stick sets are single rank if I remember correctly.

[KAC]

What does single and dual rank mean?