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    CPU so good even the memory kit is sweating. Thursday it will blow minds!
    https://www.youtube.com/post/UgzfDLBsrSVh7_VfTDh4AaABCQ

    I'm going to assume that der8auer is talking about ryzen 5xxx.

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      Originally posted by Hapatingjaky View Post
      According to AMD nothing has changed on the memory controller, its the same as in Zen2. So really the max you can do is 3600MHz without losing the 1:1 ratio. Once you lose the 1:1 ratio you see a performance loss.

      The 4000MHz memory would be needed to offset the 1:1 ratio loss. That's why they say its the sweet spot basically for overclocking.
      That's a shame.
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        Originally posted by Mangler View Post
        https://www.youtube.com/post/UgzfDLBsrSVh7_VfTDh4AaABCQ

        I'm going to assume that der8auer is talking about ryzen 5xxx.
        Buildzoid now Derbauer theres little doubt now this cpu will impress.
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          Mercury Research: AMD Achieves 22.4% Share Of The X86 Market, A High Not Seen Since 2007

          https://wccftech.com/mercury-researc...en-since-2007/

          and before zen 3 wonder what it will be in 6 months to a year

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            Dagnabit...

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              Originally posted by pax View Post
              Dagnabit...

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              Year of the low stock on everything wtf...
              looks like another 3080. get your F5 fingers ready folks!

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                Can someone suggest a good build with motherboard and ram?

                I am thinking about boning a 5900X instead of 5800X. Would appreciate ideas on motherboard and ram kits. Preferably 3600-4000 MHz.

                RGB is a must.

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                  Originally posted by KAC View Post

                  RGB is a must.


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                    first review, if it's real.

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                    Imgur link with all of the charts

                    https://imgur.com/gallery/Bw2ythr

                    some examples


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                      Need more reviews.

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                        FPS look awefully high for MSFS from both camps, shens imo.
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                          Originally posted by demo View Post
                          FPS look awefully high for MSFS from both camps, shens imo.
                          Not really for 1080p.
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                            MSFS is very CPU bound around airports or cities. 40-50fps with 10700k/10900k is about right. But sure, when flying over the ocean FPS may get that high, but that's not really a very good CPU benchmark in the first place.

                            Also, the 10900k sees a ~30% increase with 5GHz OC in GTAV... doesn't seem right, considering it boosts to 5.3 out of the box..
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                              Originally posted by demo View Post
                              MSFS is very CPU bound around airports or cities. 40-50fps with 10700k/10900k is about right. But sure, when flying over the ocean FPS may get that high, but that's not really a very good CPU benchmark in the first place.

                              Also, the 10900k sees a ~30% increase with 5GHz OC in GTAV... doesn't seem right, considering it boosts to 5.3 out of the box..
                              GTA V has always favored intel. As for MSFS, I average 47 fps to 60 fps (I don't fly over oceans, I stay over land) depending on location, with a 3800x, 2080 super @ 3440x1440. So I have to disagree that it doesn't seem right.
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                                I agree. 4.9 all-core OOB as well. Strange.
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                                  Whatever it is I am getting the 5900X today. Now if someone can tell me the motherboard and ram I can be on my way.

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                                    KAC getting an AMD product?

                                    Begging for forgiveness now KAC?

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                                      I always said I will get the AMD 5000 series. It is why I kept cancelling my 10850K builds from Newegg. I also have a case picked out.

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                                        Originally posted by NWR_Midnight View Post
                                        GTA V has always favored intel. As for MSFS, I average 47 fps to 60 fps (I don't fly over oceans, I stay over land) depending on location, with a 3800x, 2080 super @ 3440x1440. So I have to disagree that it doesn't seem right.
                                        To be clear, I'm not disputing that AMD 5 series is likely faster than intels best, I'm just saying these particular results look wack.

                                        GTAV favours intel, yes, but that's irrelevant to my point. I find it hard to believe there's a 32% increase in frame rate from OC'ing stock 10900k (4.9 all core, 5.2 Dual core, 5.3 Single core) to 5Ghz all core. It's just not happening.

                                        As for MSFS, if you're in a large city or around the hand made airports with all options maxed, there's no chance you're getting 60fps, let alone the 75fps in 10900k benchmark (or 68fps with 3600x). This is not up for debate.
                                        That said, I don't speak Ergan Dergan, and can accept that maybe his settings are at low/med, in which case, what's the point? Most CPU heavy options are drastically reduced (draw calls, AI, logic).
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                                          So I have settled for MSI Unify, 5900X and G Skill 4000 MHz ram C19 as everything else was too expensive. What do you gays think about this?

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                                            Originally posted by demo View Post
                                            To be clear, I'm not disputing that AMD 5 series is likely faster than intels best, I'm just saying these particular results look wack.

                                            GTAV favours intel, yes, but that's irrelevant to my point. I find it hard to believe there's a 32% increase in frame rate from OC'ing stock 10900k (4.9 all core, 5.2 Dual core, 5.3 Single core) to 5Ghz all core. It's just not happening.

                                            As for MSFS, if you're in a large city or around the hand made airports with all options maxed, there's no chance you're getting 60fps, let alone the 75fps in 10900k benchmark (or 68fps with 3600x). This is not up for debate.
                                            That said, I don't speak Ergan Dergan, and can accept that maybe his settings are at low/med, in which case, what's the point? Most CPU heavy options are drastically reduced (draw calls, AI, logic).
                                            I see what you mean with GTA V.

                                            The Ryzen 3600 got 43 fps with a 2080ti at 1080p on ultra in MSFS 2 days after the game was release. Microsoft's last patch was full of performances improvements, one specific to GPU performance. There also isn't a Benchmark in MSFS, so the results are also very dependent on the path the guy did for his benchmark. However, it says Full HD.. we don't know if that means Ultra or what. He also used a 3070 which outperforms the 2080ti at 1440p. (no results for 1080p for MSFS that I could find).
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                                              I dunno man, your link shows 1080p at 50fps with 9900k.. right around where I said it would be. Looks CPU bound to me, with scores in order of CPU hierarchy.
                                              Note, MSFS does not support DX12 and has poor multicore optimization, relying on single thread IPC and frequency, which is why the intel chips are winning and why there's not much difference between 6 core 3600 and 12 core 3900x.

                                              Hell, the 5700XT with 9900k is beating 2080Ti with 3900x. That screams CPU bound right there.

                                              I fully expect AMD 5 series will be faster than everything given its IPC increase. This CPU launch is gonna be huge - it will have both IPC and core count dominance. I can't remember the last time this happened.


                                              EDIT/ Oh, you removed links, well anyway, GG sir




                                              Originally posted by KAC View Post
                                              So I have settled for MSI Unify, 5900X and G Skill 4000 MHz ram C19 as everything else was too expensive. What do you gays think about this?
                                              Z490 MSI Unify is known to be a golden board for the money, best value enthusiast board. Not sure about the x570 version but I assume it's also good.
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                                                Originally posted by demo View Post
                                                I dunno man, your link shows 1080p at 50fps with 9900k.. right around where I said it would be. Looks CPU bound to me, with scores in order of CPU hierarchy.
                                                Note, MSFS does not support DX12 and has poor multicore optimization, relying on single thread IPC and frequency, which is why the intel chips are winning and why there's not much difference between 6 core 3600 and 12 core 3900x.

                                                Hell, the 5700XT with 9900k is beating 2080Ti with 3900x. That screams CPU bound right there.

                                                I fully expect AMD 5 series will be faster than everything given its IPC increase. This CPU launch is gonna be huge - it will have both IPC and core count dominance. I can't remember the last time this happened.


                                                EDIT/ Oh, you removed links, well anyway, GG sir






                                                Z490 MSI Unify is known to be a golden board for the money, best value enthusiast board. Not sure about the x570 version but I assume it's also good.
                                                I rewrote the post, because it was way to much. All those results where right after MSFS release, there have been patches since that have improved performance (specifically GPU). Also, as I said above, it is also dependent on location, as the game does not have a Built in Benchmark.
                                                Last edited by NWR_Midnight; Nov 5, 2020, 01:46 AM.
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                                                  Cool buddy. Yes performance is extremely dependant on location. Large cities and 'landmark' handmade airports (visible on world map) with full AI and traffic are very taxing. Probably the most demanding title I can think of.
                                                  It really needs DX12 support which I believe is coming. Or maybe it just needs a 5950x
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                                                    Demo is that GSkill ram any good or am I better off with a 3600 C16 kit? Thought AMD cared more about MHz rather than timings.

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                                                      What G-skill RAM?

                                                      EDIT/ Derp, the 4000mhz c19 in your post.

                                                      I'm not really the person to be asking, I've never owned a Ryzen chip. Without knowing exact kits and their voltages, I assume 1.35v, the 3600 has slightly better latency and 4000 kit more bandwidth. Bandwidth is generally better for games but latency is also important. A couple things to consider - with AMD you can't go beyond IF and memory speed ratio of 1:1 without incurring a latency/performance penalty, so you'll have to drop to 3600 for a 1:1 ratio unless you OC IF. You might be lucky to get mem to 3800 I suppose?

                                                      Knowing that, you may as well get the 3600 kit as it'll work out of the box without having to downclock and tune for best timings - it's already configured. You can always OC it to 3800 with little effort too, if you can maintain 1:1 ratio with IF. Should probably wait for reviews, higher end 5 series might be able to push IF further than previous gen, in which case it would be nice to have RAM that is known to work at those speeds.

                                                      I actually have a 4000mhz kit on order too but mistakenly thought 5 series IF was good up to 2000mhz with 4000mhz RAM when I read AMD's comments. As Hapy correctly pointed out, that's only if you're lucky enough to reach 2000mhz via OC.. So I suspect around 3800-3900 might be achievable for average n00bs like us.
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                                                        I moved back to 3600 ram c16. Everything else is too rich for my blood.

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                                                          I edited post ^

                                                          Good move I think KAC. May as well try and find a set with even tighter timings knowing you will likely be limited to around 3600-3800.

                                                          I have 4000MHz CL15 on order. Will likely have to drop speeds, hopefully timings can be reduced. I'll test it against my current kit running at 3733 CL14.
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                                                            Ok great. I am still contemplating dropping almost 1100 bones on board proc and ram. Quite conflicted tbh. If I don’t nab a 5900X today this whole build will be postponed till Jan/Feb timeframe.

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                                                              You get 3600 CAS14 not 16.... GSKILL Royal.
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                                                                I am not going to go stupid with the ram Hapa. I am not made of money unlike some other members on this forum. For me 1100 is a lot for board proc and ram and I have never spent that kind of money ever on these 3 components.

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                                                                  Should I go run and get myself a new Ryzen 5K at Microcenter? 10+ in stock of all 4. Wonder if any lines this morning.

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                                                                    Originally posted by Nascar24 View Post
                                                                    Should I go run and get myself a new Ryzen 5K at Microcenter? 10+ in stock of all 4. Wonder if any lines this morning.
                                                                    Why would you not? Wtf?

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                                                                      For anyone trying to figure out the ****ing motherboards.
                                                                      https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=2112472504

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                                                                        Originally posted by KAC View Post
                                                                        Why would you not? Wtf?
                                                                        I don't think it makes sense for 4K.

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                                                                          Went to microcenter at 7:00am, they gave out voucher, i was able to get 5900x one. Was probably 30th in line.
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                                                                            Jebus, the 5xxx stock lasted for seconds at the retailers.


                                                                            I hope this isn't another 3080 situation.

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                                                                              Originally posted by Mangler View Post
                                                                              Jebus, the 5xxx stock lasted for seconds at the retailers.


                                                                              I hope this isn't another 3080 situation.
                                                                              Looks like it.

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                                                                                Originally posted by CyanBlues View Post
                                                                                Went to microcenter at 7:00am, they gave out voucher, i was able to get 5900x one. Was probably 30th in line.
                                                                                Jesus f'ing Christ! MC and their f'ing vouchers.... they must looove seeing people stand in line like it was 1983....

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                                                                                  Got 5800X because couldn’t grab the 5900X. Oh well.

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