It's 2018 and still no 4k monitor with 120hz or 144hz support?

[shadow001]

Given the above situation where neither company is in any rush to release faster hardware since we are in the last couple of revisions in terms of fab processes shrinks, and games are only going to get more demanding over time, i can easily live with this option even if it only supports a 60 Hz refresh:


https://www.lg.com/ca_en/desktop-monitors/lg-34WK95U-W



Half way between a 4K ( 2160 vertical resolution ) and a 5K ( 5120 pixel horizontal resolution ), and even if we limit ourselves to a single GPU, the upcoming generation coming out either this year or next year from both companies, should have the grunt to drive it with all options cranked...….


A real 5K with 2880 pixels vertical or worse yet, an 8k display simply isn't an option even for a multi GPU setup given that both AMD and Nvidia now limit them to 2 cards and no more.....

[OverclockN']

How about getting 4k to run well before considering something with even more resolution.

Looks like a great monitor for people that prefer ultra wide, though I imagine it's going to cost a fortune.

[shadow001]

How about getting 4k to run well before considering something with even more resolution.

Looks like a great monitor for people that prefer ultra wide, though I imagine it's going to cost a fortune.

4k does run well here, just that one has to bite the bullet and accept using at least 2 high end cards.....Either a pair of GTX1070 TI's, GTX1080's, GTX1080 TI's or yes, a pair of Vega's and with Vsync disabled any of these 4 options will be north of 80 Fps all the time with the fastest likely close or past 100 Fps at 4K......There's more than enough GPU grunt, but it comes with the extra power use, the cooling requirements and being dependent of either driver profiles with DX11, or developers supporting multi GPU directly with DX12.....We'll always be a very small market, but it is what it is.




For a single card to pull off 4K comfortably at the frame rates mentioned above or higher still, we already have a solid basis point on what would be needed with any of the 4 options listed above in terms of GPU hardware, but built into a single chip and packing twice the memory bandwidth as well, and keep in mind that the latest GPU's are packing up to 12.5 billion transistors, so with all else being equal and not being able to be even more efficient that what Pascal or Vega already are, the next generation needs twice as much hardware grunt to pull off twice the frame rate in a GPU limited scenario.



Something like that will likely only happen with the 7 nm step to allow such a high transistor budget, while keeping the size of the chip and production cost reasonable, and power use within the usual 250~300 watts for a high end card......If Nvidia will release an update this august, which will make it over 2 years since the GTX1080 was released ( May 2016 ) and over 18 months for the GTX1080 TI ( January 2017 ), it'll be the longest period of time since a new architecture was released ever, and for all we know it could be a Pascal refresh built at 12nm and the usual ~30% faster than the GTX1080 TI and call it a day.....



That's still not fast enough for 4k at 120+ Hz refresh Vsync locked, as all you need to do is add 30% to 60 Fps and you get 78 Fps......There's a new king and it is the fastest card on the market, but it isn't fast enough.


Display makers know it full well, hence why they're taking their sweet time to release 4K displays with 120 to 144Hz refresh rates.....No single card will hit that anytime soon, and the only one option that allows it ( Multi GPU ), is falling out of favor big time, so single GPU users are stuck waiting for 7nm to actually happen in real world high volume production.

[OverclockN']

I was obviously talking about single GPU, since a lot of newer games don't support SLI. In that situation, it's tough to nail down 60fps consistently right now.

For a game that supports SLI though...yes, of course...buy another GPU.

[shadow001]

I was obviously talking about single GPU, since a lot of newer games don't support SLI. In that situation, it's tough to nail down 60fps consistently right now.

For a game that supports SLI though...yes, of course...buy another GPU.

Given that Nvidia is in no rush to release anything faster until AMD has something that takes the top spot away from the GTX1080TI in gaming, which the only hint on their end seems to be GPU's built at 7nm in 2019 for gaming, as they showed a working Vega 20 at 7nm but for processing A.I. ( part of their instinct lineup), multi GPU is the only option to solve the problem and then some, so end users should make it clear to developers they still want multi GPU support in new games, and it's weird that now that the DX12 API itself supports it natively without needing driver profiles like it's been the case for 20+ years, is when it's being abandoned.....



At least the monitor i linked above can still leverage multi GPU by it's high resolution support that's even higher than 4k, even if still stuck at a 60 Hz refresh rate which it too goes back to the late 90's, well before much higher refresh displays existed and last i checked, people still gamed just fine with them.....

[Nunz]

1024x768 was better back in the 90s too. People gamed just fine back then. Guess we should all deal with that resolution since it was fine back then!!!

[shadow001]

My point is that some seem to want two things that work directly against each other in that on one end, they want displays supporting the highest resolutions and refresh rates, but only under the condition of using a single GPU to drive it, made especially worse because of the refresh rates we're talking about ( up to 144Hz in this case ).



This is a case of needing to leverage multi GPU with said display, and get it over with once and for all.....The sledge hammer approach.

[OverclockN']

Anyone thinking about 4k+ resolutions at max settings and over 60Hz right now needs to just give up the dream, even with SLI.

It's not a simple matter of doing a "sledgehammer" approach and throwing a couple of GPU's at it. It doesn't work that way. You also have to consider the games you want to play and if they actually support SLI.

[shadow001]

Anyone thinking about 4k+ resolutions at max settings and over 60Hz right now needs to just give up the dream, even with SLI.

It's not a simple matter of doing a "sledgehammer" approach and throwing a couple of GPU's at it. It doesn't work that way. You also have to consider the games you want to play and if they actually support SLI.

Maybe so, but that's simply up to the developer, now that even multi GPU driver profiles using DX12, are no longer needed.....Everything else is there, so it's easy to fix.

[bill dennison]

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https://www.techarp.com/computer/nvidia-bfgd-preview/

[shadow001]

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https://www.techarp.com/computer/nvidia-bfgd-preview/

So since I didn't see a PC anywhere in the video, are we to assume that the required hardware ( CPU, ram and GPU ), is built inside the display panel itself?....

[demo]

It's just the display. 65" 4K HDR 120Hz Gsync + Shield and low latency.

[shadow001]

It's just the display. 65" 4K HDR 120Hz Gsync + Shield and low latency.

Don't know if it's true or not, but I saw an article this past week where just the G-sync chip used to handle a 4K resolution at such high refresh rates costs 550$ a piece and the 27" panels from either Asus or Acer will list for about 3000$.....Let me see if I can find it:


The smaller 27" 4k 120 Hz panels price:


https://www.anandtech.com/show/12637...ted-and-priced




I don't even want to guess what the 65" panels will cost if the 27" ones will be in 3000$ ballpark.....

[bill dennison]

Don't know if it's true or not, but I saw an article this past week where just the G-sync chip used to handle a 4K resolution at such high refresh rates costs 550$ a piece and the 27" panels from either Asus or Acer will list for about 3000$.....Let me see if I can find it:


The smaller 27" 4k 120 Hz panels price:


https://www.anandtech.com/show/12637...ted-and-priced




I don't even want to guess what the 65" panels will cost if the 27" ones will be in 3000$ ballpark.....

4500 to 6000

but that won't last as soon as the same thing in VRR and Freesync are out for half the price

Samsung already has some QLED VRR or Freesync TV's out and waiting on a update

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12997/hdmi-forum-demonstrates-hdmi-21-vrr-capabilities-on-samsung-tv

https://www.samsung.com/us/televisions-home-theater/tvs/qled-tvs/55-class-q8f-4k-smart-qled-tv-2018-qn55q8fnbfxza/

but they are not full hdmi 2.1 so i'll wait

[Mangler]

I'm just going to do 4k/HDR gaming on my tv until the hdr monitor situation gets sorted out on pc.

[Megaman]

Asus just listed this. It's only $4200 AUD.

[bill dennison]

Asus just listed this. It's only $4200 AUD.

gee does nvidia surround still work

https://rog.asus.com/articles/gaming-monitors/rog-swift-pg65-big-format-gaming-display-bfgd-120hz-gsync-65-inch-4k-with-hdr/

https://websetnet.net/asus-lists-its-rog-swift-pg65-nvidia-bfgd-monitor/

……..
hope they get a 55 inch VRR & Freesync version with hdmi 2.1 out next year for 2k or under

[andino]

Asus just listed this. It's only $4200 AUD.

Is that for the aging gamers out there?

[andino]

gee does nvidia surround still work

Been rocking it for a while. I'm really looking for a new single ultrawide monitor though as the surround really screws with my VR.

[KAC]

Asus just listed this. It's only $4200 AUD.

Where to buy?

[bill dennison]

Where to buy?

most likely it will first come with two 1180 ti's for 10k

[KAC]

Sounds like a great setup.

[Hapatingjaky]

If it was in 38" to 42" I'd consider one.

[kboye]

Guessing there is fan noise in there

[Mangler]

When do y'all figure we get monitors like these without the GAMER aesthetic?

It's pretty ****ed up that high end gaming monitors looks like what you'd expect the cheap stuff to look like.

[GTwannabe]

When do y'all figure we get monitors like these without the GAMER aesthetic?

It's pretty ****ed up that high end gaming monitors looks like what you'd expect the cheap stuff to look like.

I just want a Dell Ultrasharp with high refresh rate and adaptive sync. No ultrawide, no curved panel, no RGB, and no Batmobile styling. Is that too hard?

[bill dennison]

When do y'all figure we get monitors like these without the GAMER aesthetic?

It's pretty ****ed up that high end gaming monitors looks like what you'd expect the cheap stuff to look like.

4k tv's with hdmi 2.1 VRR and a gamer mode next year they say
monitors most likely about the same time



I want something next like a 4k 50 to 55 inch with VRR, 120hz+and full hdmi 2.1

[shrike126]

I just want a Dell Ultrasharp with high refresh rate and adaptive sync. No ultrawide, no curved panel, no RGB, and no Batmobile styling. Is that too hard?

I hear ya bro. Seriously. I've been keeping my eyes open for the same. I just want the display itself. Save all that other fancy crap for someone who cares.

[andino]

Pulled the trigger on a Alienware aw3418dw.

It's so freaking nice. Went from 3 asus monitors in surround to this thing.

Still in shock at how well everything looks now.

[Megaman]

Pulled the trigger on a Alienware aw3418dw.

It's so freaking nice. Went from 3 asus monitors in surround to this thing.

Still in shock at how well everything looks now.

With the Rage3d server down for 4 days, not being able to come in here and sharing the news must have been eating at you....


Congrats!

[andino]

With the Rage3d server down for 4 days, not being able to come in here and sharing the news must have been eating at you....


Congrats!

Just got it in today. Ordered it the day that Rage3D went down.

Downtime was a bitch man.

[shadow001]

Now if they made a freesync version, my life would be complete and the display actually cheaper as the added bonus.....

[Dave]

Pulled the trigger on a Alienware aw3418dw.

It's so freaking nice. Went from 3 asus monitors in surround to this thing.

Still in shock at how well everything looks now.

Welcome to the Ultrawide master race.

(Update your specs yo)

[andino]

Welcome to the Ultrawide master race.

(Update your specs yo)

[Och]

And its almost 2019 and we still only have half assed solutions. Meh.

[oasked]

And its almost 2019 and we still only have half assed solutions. Meh.

Or really expensive solutions.

I need a 1440p or 4k monitor without the gamer bulls**t, 144Hz and G-Sync. It doesn't exist, especially not at a reasonable price point.

[GTwannabe]

Or really expensive solutions.

I need a 1440p or 4k monitor without the gamer bulls**t, 144Hz and G-Sync. It doesn't exist, especially not at a reasonable price point.

If you can live with a TN panel, the Dell S2716DG does what you want for around $350.

[Nunz]

Or really expensive solutions.

I need a 1440p or 4k monitor without the gamer bulls**t, 144Hz and G-Sync. It doesn't exist, especially not at a reasonable price point.

PG279Q. 27", 1440P, 165Hz, G-Sync. I paid $550.

There are plenty of options at reasonable price ranges. I'm not sure you guys are actually looking.

[GTwannabe]

PG279Q. 27", 1440P, 165Hz, G-Sync. I paid $550.

There are plenty of options at reasonable price ranges. I'm not sure you guys are actually looking.

I'm not sure you're looking... that monitor is OOS at all major retailers and 3rd party sellers are scalping $1-200 over MSRP. Same situation with other high end G-Sync panels; Fortnite kiddies gobbled up all the inventory on Black Friday.

[howard stern]

Or really expensive solutions.

I need a 1440p or 4k monitor without the gamer bulls**t, 144Hz and G-Sync. It doesn't exist, especially not at a reasonable price point.

This is a great deal on a great monitor Acer - Predator XB271HU BMIPRZ 27" IPS LED WQHD G Sync Monitor - Black 549.99

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/acer-pr...?skuId=5040200