It's 2018 and still no 4k monitor with 120hz or 144hz support?

[Och]

It seems that both HDMI and DP have finally caught up and have the bandwith to display 4k resolution at 120hz. Why do we still not have a single monitor with support for it?

[Mangler]

LIAR

[Mangler]

On a more serious note I suspect that the first wave of HDR monitors will have a higher priority than 4k120.

[Och]

https://wccftech.com/acer-predator-x...nitor-delayed/

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/asu...c-monitor.html


I wonder what the hell. They were both supposed to come out in Q3 2017.

[Mangler]

I wonder if they have issues with getting them running at 144hz?

Might end up being 4k60 monitors with an OC mode like those 3440x1440 monitors are.

[Hapatingjaky]

It seems that both HDMI and DP have finally caught up and have the bandwith to display 4k resolution at 120hz. Why do we still not have a single monitor with support for it?

HDMI 2.0/A/B will not support 4K/120Hz as there is not enough bandwidth.

HDM1 2.1( released Dec 2017 ) will support 4K/144Hz with 24/30Bit.

Display Port 1.4 will not support 4K/120Hz as again, not enough bandwidth

Display Port Next Gen ( 1.5? Not yet released ) will support 4K/144Hz 24/30Bit.

HDMI 2.1 has just been released, we will probably need new video cards and new monitor which are coming in 2018.

http://www.pcgamer.com/asus-and-acer...dr-until-2018/ )

There is no info on the next gen Display port release though.

[Och]

HDMI 2.0/A/B will not support 4K/120Hz as there is not enough bandwidth.

HDM1 2.1( released Dec 2017 ) will support 4K/144Hz with 24/30Bit.

Display Port 1.4 will not support 4K/120Hz as again, not enough bandwidth

Display Port Next Gen ( 1.5? Not yet released ) will support 4K/144Hz 24/30Bit.

HDMI 2.1 has just been released, we will probably need new video cards and new monitor which are coming in 2018.

http://www.pcgamer.com/asus-and-acer...dr-until-2018/ )

There is no info on the next gen Display port release though.

According to wikipedia, even DP 1.3 supports 4k @ 120hz, and 1.4 supports up to 240hz (albeit compressed).

Not sure if anything can [email protected] and HDR10.

[Bires]

It's 2018...

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[Hapatingjaky]

According to wikipedia, even DP 1.3 supports 4k @ 120hz, and 1.4 supports up to 240hz (albeit compressed).

Not sure if anything can [email protected] and HDR10.

False, this is from the Wiki article:

HDMI Standard 8Bit "HDR"



HDMI 10Bit HDR



HDMI 2.0/A/B does not support 120Hz according to Wiki's charts.

[bill dennison]

According to wikipedia, even DP 1.3 supports 4k @ 120hz, and 1.4 supports up to 240hz (albeit compressed).

Not sure if anything can [email protected] and HDR10.

I would be happy for [email protected] in a 40 to 50 inch freesync 2 or g sync

with both dp 1.4 and HDM1 2.1


as your not going to get [email protected] with a single 1180 ti or any single card for years

[Hapatingjaky]

We'll get new screens that will be doing 4K 144Hz HDR10 screens in 2018, probably Q1 but it will only be through HDMI unless they do dual port which is unlikely.

Question is will Navi and Volta support HDMI 2.1 as TitanV only supports 2.0b.

[bill dennison]

We'll get new screens that will be doing 4K 144Hz HDR10 screens in 2018, probably Q1 but it will only be through HDMI unless they do dual port which is unlikely.

Question is will Navi and Volta support HDMI 2.1 as TitanV only supports 2.0b.

maybe show at CES but when they hit stores is anyone's guess


Question two is will NVidia g-sync work on HDMI 2.1 and Volta ?

FreeSync works on hdmi now

[Hapatingjaky]

maybe show at CES but when they hit stores is anyone's guess


Question two is will NVidia g-sync work on HDMI 2.1 and Volta ?

FreeSync works on hdmi now

There shouldn't be anymore need for Freesync/Gsync at all since both Display Port and HDMI 2.1 allow for the same feature within the tech.

But its Nvidia, and they will milk it...

[nycdarkness]

Should be spring we see the 27inchers with a nv card happening to show up at the same time.

[karma77police]

On a more serious note I suspect that the first wave of HDR monitors will have a higher priority than 4k120.

I use 22" IBM CRT with Flat Screen on SLI 1080. CRT are still the best.

[dmanna]

I am not sure Windows 10 is ready for HDR support yet. I think there are a lot of bugs.

I am waiting probably until 2019 or 2020 for a new monitor.

[Riptide]

Same here. Not gonna upgrade this KS8000 "monitor" for at least a year. Probably going to do it when I upgrade my GPUs to something which supports the new HDMI standard.

[shadow001]

Seems that there's movement on the 8k display resolution front, when it comes to getting the signal from the video card to the display itself:


http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ves...-8k-video.html



The display port standard updated to allow makers to market display port cables in which a single cable is enough to handle 8K and clearly labeled as such on the connector itself, at least when it comes to video playback......Seems there's a lot of lower quality crap being sold on the market....


This isn't something i'm even thinking about in terms of upgrades, since while we do have the technology to make 8K displays, just by looking at the capabilities in the latest cell phones with their 1080p native resolution on a 5~6 inch screen, The load on a GPU increases by 4X in gaming when compared to 4K so even if the latest cards can do 60 Fps at the latter resolution, it'll get knocked down to 15 Fps when running the same game at the same settings at 8K resolutions (7680*4320 resolution ), so that means multi GPU setups exclusively and even then using the absolute latest cards that will be releasing in 2018 and hope for the best, as getting 60 Fps might still be too hard even then.



I'll be looking at this well before moving to 8K:


http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/lg-...60-pixels.html


5120*2160 is just much more realistic for upcoming GPU's to handle as it's about 40% harder to drive than 4k, not 4x harder like an 8K display will be.....It's just too much for a single GPU to handle anytime soon, and do so smoothly at 60 Fps ( or more ).

[guest]

You cannot do chroma 4:4:4 HDR10 at 3820 x 2160. You are limited to 4:2:2 which affects text. So for 4K HDR10 gaming it's best to run 4:2:2 in gaming and 4:4:4 in the desktop with no HDR10 running. So far I only know how to do this screwing around in the Nvidia control panel and using Microsoft's controls to turn HDR on and off. I'll probably be an early adopter of HDMI 2.1

[shadow001]

You cannot do chroma 4:4:4 HDR10 at 3820 x 2160. You are limited to 4:2:2 which affects text. So for 4K HDR10 gaming it's best to run 4:2:2 in gaming and 4:4:4 in the desktop with no HDR10 running. So far I only know how to do this screwing around in the Nvidia control panel and using Microsoft's controls to turn HDR on and off. I'll probably be an early adopter of HDMI 2.1

Means that apart from a new monitor with HDMI 2.1, it also means buying a new video card that's beyond the Volta and Navi generations, since as mentioned earlier the HDMI 2.1 spec was just released, and it takes time to integrate it and certify it as compliant.....Even the 3000$ Titan V using big Volta doesn't have it.

[shadow001]

I would be happy for [email protected]90hz in a 40 to 50 inch freesync 2 or g sync

with both dp 1.4 and HDM1 2.1


as your not going to get [email protected] with a single 1180 ti or any single card for years

Good thing about the chart you posted is that 4k at 120Hz using display port 1.4 is doable without resorting to any compression at all, so all I need is a 4K display that does 4k at 120 Hz along with freesync and i'm good to go....

[Hapatingjaky]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12213...yport-standard

New Display Port tech on the way, with the bandwidth increase it should do 8K/120 or higher and 10K/60.

[shadow001]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12213...yport-standard

New Display Port tech on the way, with the bandwidth increase it should do 8K/120 or higher and 10K/60.

They just started working on it though and as the article says, brings with it a new signaling protocol, which the last time that changed was 4 years ago with the introduction of display port 1.3.....Basically, expect this new standard to probably show up in 2020 or beyond most likely, as it takes time to work out the kinks.

[Hapatingjaky]

https://www.hardocp.com/news/2018/01..._displays_bfgd

Asus Also is releasing a screen:

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/rog...ed-shield.html

Too small for my tastes though.

[MaxSt]

They just started working on it though and as the article says, brings with it a new signaling protocol, which the last time that changed was 4 years ago with the introduction of display port 1.3.....Basically, expect this new standard to probably show up in 2020 or beyond most likely, as it takes time to work out the kinks.

Yeah, even now almost all monitors on the market are DP1.2

No one bothered with DP1.3 for years, and there are very very few monitors with DP1.4 right now.

[Och]

So these two monitors are on the market now and the reviews are not favorable. Seems that many are complaining of backlight leaks and other issues suchs as flickering and dead pixels.

Edit: nvm, they aren't out, read reviews on different models.

[Hapatingjaky]

So these two monitors are on the market now and the reviews are not favorable. Seems that many are complaining of backlight leaks and other issues suchs as flickering and dead pixels.

Edit: nvm, they aren't out, read reviews on different models.

The rumor is they are too be announced/released this month or next.

[bill dennison]

any word on NVidia's bfgd ?

[Och]

The rumor is they are too be announced/released this month or next.

Yep, should be releases in several weeks, but rumor is they come with 3k price tag. That's a bit insane.

[Hapatingjaky]

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nvi...his-month.html

27"?

You can get ****ed. I'll wait for the 200hz 3440x1440 35" screen instead.

[Megaman]

4 minute mark onwards.

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http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nvi...his-month.html

27"?

You can get ****ed. I'll wait for the 200hz 3440x1440 35" screen instead.

ikr?! Who the hell would want a 27" 4k display

Waiting for a high refresh rate version of this (3840x1600): http://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-38U...rawide-monitor

[Hapatingjaky]

ikr?! Who the hell would want a 27" 4k display

Waiting for a high refresh rate version of this (3840x1600): http://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-38U...rawide-monitor

I had a Samsung 28" 4K display for a while. Hated it. Yeah it did 4K/60 but it was so small for that type of display.

34" should be the smallest standard for 4K.

[LordHawkwind]

Here you go ...https://techreport.com/news/33664/ac...ewegg-for-2000

$2,000 for a 27" monitor f**k off Acer.

[Nunz]

144Hz 4K .. so you can get no where 100fps ever until the generation after Volta

[Hapatingjaky]

What I want to know is how they plan to get 4K+144Hz+HDR on HDMI 2.0B since it would require 40Gbps data rate and at max with an active controller 2.0B can only reach 27Gbps.

The monitors do it over HDMI unless it is HDMI 2.1 but no video card supports it.

G-Synce will also add too the data rate as well so is it faked with some sort of Frame Interpolation? But that would add latency.

[Och]

What I want to know is how they plan to get 4K+144Hz+HDR on HDMI 2.0B since it would require 40Gbps data rate and at max with an active controller 2.0B can only reach 27Gbps.

The monitors do it over HDMI unless it is HDMI 2.1 but no video card supports it.

G-Synce will also add too the data rate as well so is it faked with some sort of Frame Interpolation? But that would add latency.

Display port is usually better.

[Och]

Here you go ...https://techreport.com/news/33664/ac...ewegg-for-2000

$2,000 for a 27" monitor f**k off Acer.

$2k isn't too bad.

[Hapatingjaky]

Display port is usually better.

1 - Windows 10 requires November 2015 update or newer.
2 - 7680x4320 at 60 Hz RGB 8-bit with dual DisplayPort connectors or 7680x4320 at 60 Hz YUV420 8-bit with one DisplayPort 1.3 connector.
3 - DisplayPort 1.2 Certified, DisplayPort 1.3/1.4 Ready.
4 - Recommendation is made based on PC configured with an Intel Core i7 3.2 GHz processor. Pre-built system may require less power depending on system configuration.

Taken from the 1080Ti spec sheet from Nvidia. So the 1080Ti is only certified for DP 1.2 but is compatible with "1.3/1.4"??? LOL Nvidia clarity at work...



So in a nutshell if they are going to use Display Port 1.4 then they would need to use data compression to do so. Its called Display Stream Compression so you won't be getting 10Bit HDR, it would be 4:2:2 which is 8Bit which is what 1080P does.

4K+144Hz+HDR 10Bit 4:4:4 would require more bandwidth then what HDMI 2.0b and DP 1.4 can support. The only thing that would support it is HDMI 2.1 or Display Port 1.5 but we'd need new video cards to support it as nothing right now comes with the standard and DP1.5 isn't available yet.

I thihnk we are going to see some trickery with these screens ala faked using an onboard chip to get the 144Hz feel. Until we see actual specs though.

My theory is that the screens can do 4K+144Hz+HDR 10Bit 4:4:4 but through HDMI 2.1 only and we'll see new video cards in July/August. Otherwise it will be 4K+144Hz+8Bit 4:2:2 for DP 1.4 and no HDMI 2.0b support.

[bill dennison]

5 months old and have not deen anything more on it

HDMI 2.1 VRR support will come to AMD Radeon RX GPUs with a future driver update

Radeon Software will add support for HDMI 2.1 Variable Refresh Rate (VRR) technology on Radeon RX products in an upcoming driver release. This support will come as an addition to the Radeon FreeSync technology umbrella, as displays with HDMI 2.1 VRR support reach market.

sounds like RX cards just need a driver update for HDMI 2.1

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu...river_update/1
will see in about two week if anything comes out at computex

but **** displayport and it's displayport link failures I think I want to try HDMI 2.1 VRR on a 47" to 65" screen