Official PlayStation 5 thread

[MyTMouse]

I think the controller looks ugly but everyone always has different tastes.

It does look more comfortable and I'm surprised that Sony, who isn't exactly known for being creative with their console names and controller iterations, gave their controller a new game (gasp) and a different shape.

I cannot stand the ergonomics of DualShock controllers and while this looks more comfortable there are a few things that I detest about it (new controller)

1) Built-in battery - sorry but rechargeable AA batteries will destroy this thing in terms on battery life, useable time and charge cycles, and convenience. I hear this has fast charging and that will just reduce the lifespan of the lithium batteries even more.

2) The Dpad and Left stick NEED TO BE SWAPPED. That style is just stupid

[Jay20016]

I think the controller looks ugly but everyone always has different tastes.

It does look more comfortable and I'm surprised that Sony, who isn't exactly known for being creative with their console names and controller iterations, gave their controller a new game (gasp) and a different shape.

I cannot stand the ergonomics of DualShock controllers and while this looks more comfortable there are a few things that I detest about it (new controller)

1) Built-in battery - sorry but rechargeable AA batteries will destroy this thing in terms on battery life, useable time and charge cycles, and convenience. I hear this has fast charging and that will just reduce the lifespan of the lithium batteries even more.

2) The Dpad and Left stick NEED TO BE SWAPPED. That style is just stupid

The XBox way is just sooooooooo much more comfortable in my hands because with the PS4 I'm always noticing how it keeps my wrists in an end range motion that limits my play time with it.

I really wish that MS would've added the paddle buttons to theirs because the Elite controller is probably the best one I've ever used.

[Kain]

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[OverclockN']

Agreed with everyone above, the PS4 controller ergonomics aren't great. I use the Xbox One gamepad for PC and it's fantastic. Well...as fantastic as aiming with a controller can be.

[Dave]

I have large hands and I find extended play sessions on the PS4 are painful. Looks like I’ll be waiting for a third-party controller with the PS5, won’t stop me from buying at launch.

[logical]

Show me what the system looks like.

[Meteor_of_War]

I'm surprised to see they're using the exact same looking analog sticks. The PS4 controller's analog sticks were pretty bad in that the rubber material could wear away and start to peel after a while. Unless they are using a stronger rubber material, hopefully. If not I will again need to buy aftermarket stick covers.

Other than that, its meh. Another new controller design. I'm sure it will be fine. All the current big name consoles' controller designs are very good. I think we are far past the days of a console releasing with a truly crap controller design (N64, Jaguar, original Xbox, etc).

[OverclockN']

The N64 controller was awesome!

I mean, it seems silly now, but back then it was great. With the thousands of hours I probably put into my N64 back in the day, I don't think I ever complained about the controller.

[Meteor_of_War]

The N64 controller was awesome!

I mean, it seems silly now, but back then it was great. With the thousands of hours I probably put into my N64 back in the day, I don't think I ever complained about the controller.

yeah I guess for the time it was revolutionary. But using it today just sucks.

[Kain]

Do you guys think there will be a PS5 Pro later down the line?

[SubCog]

The N64 controller was awesome!

I mean, it seems silly now, but back then it was great. With the thousands of hours I probably put into my N64 back in the day, I don't think I ever complained about the controller.

I just learned that you can buy rubber grips for the joycon sticks, and that they also happen to fit on the n64 sticks. That's sweet! I ordered this one: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[KAC]

Seems more and more that it is not a day 1 pickup.

[SD-[Inc]]

Seems more and more that it is not a day 1 pickup.

Speak in strange riddles, you do.

[KAC]

Lack of game announcements and past history tells me that this is not a console I want on release. Similar to PS4 with only Killzone as the app that I wanted.

[SD-[Inc]]

Lack of game announcements and past history tells me that this is not a console I want on release. Similar to PS4 with only Killzone as the app that I wanted.

There is still plenty of time to wait and see.

[MyTMouse]

Lack of game announcements and past history tells me that this is not a console I want on release. Similar to PS4 with only Killzone as the app that I wanted.

If you don't currently own any PS4 games then yah, I can see that. This generation is different as it'll run the current gen games better right out of the gate so you have access to current games in 4k...this makes the software available at launch much more compelling.

Consoles (hardware wise) are at their best performance/dollar at launch..they are the closest to top end tech for a decent price and they don't drop significantly in rice for a long time after launch.

PC hardware, on the other hand, is at it's least performance/dollar at launch because it's at a huge price premium, better tech is always around the corner, and the price (usually) continues to drop after launch

[Fuku2]

Is it backwards compatible with PS3 game disc

[Trunks0]

Not likely. All the more reason to keep your PS3

[SubCog]

Is it backwards compatible with PS3 game disc

If bc support becomes a major success factor for xbox, Sony will release bc support for ps1 & 2. Rumor is that they've had PS2 emulation perfected since the PS3, but refuse to roll it out because they like to make you buy HD remakes.

I doubt the PS5 has the horsepower to emulate PS3 well. Maybe the PS6 will be able to?

Some games emulate okay if they don't use the SPUs too much, but those aren't really the games you want to play.
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[Fuku2]

Not likely. All the more reason to keep your PS3

I'm worried if mine goes tits up.
For some unknown reason I just haven't played many of the games I have for it and might want to in the future.

I have about 54 physical games (not including box sets) and some digital downloads.

[KAC]

Gay play them then

[Meteor_of_War]

I'm worried if mine goes tits up.
For some unknown reason I just haven't played many of the games I have for it and might want to in the future.

I have about 54 physical games (not including box sets) and some digital downloads.

Before the world went crazy and I was hitting up thrift stores every week I was seeing PS3's all the time for like $20. I would regularly pick them up and flip them on Ebay for like $75.

If things ever go back to normal I don't see why it would be hard to find a replacement PS3 for cheap. Right now I have like 3 of them stashed in my closet for the future.

[OverclockN']

Anyone know enough about this that they can lay it out for me on why all the news sites are making such a big deal about the SSD's? Every single one of them are boasting about the "zero load times". PC's have had SSD's for a very long time now, and they are far from zero load times.

I realize the consoles could be different in their own architecture (even though they are mostly PC parts now anyway), but I'm not sure where this is coming from or what else is involved.

Is it really going to be this game changing, or are they just laying it on thick here and feeding the hype?

The PS5's SSD shouldn't be underestimated, says Mortal Kombat creator

[Exposed]

Anyone know enough about this that they can lay it out for me on why all the news sites are making such a big deal about the SSD's? Every single one of them are boasting about the "zero load times". PC's have had SSD's for a very long time now, and they are far from zero load times.

I realize the consoles could be different in their own architecture (even though they are mostly PC parts now anyway), but I'm not sure where this is coming from or what else is involved.

Is it really going to be this game changing, or are they just laying it on thick here and feeding the hype?

The PS5's SSD shouldn't be underestimated, says Mortal Kombat creator

Turns out even last gen PC SSD's can run the UE5 demo better than the PS5's new tech.


https://www.tomshardware.com/news/un...-pc-nvidia-rtx

https://www.pcgamer.com/unreal-engin...c-performance/





Should also be noted there are also tons of existing Quixel megascan UE4 demos that uses full fidelity assets, which desktops PC's run at 60fps. If that is what the PS5 UE5 demo was supposed to showcase, it didn't show anything the PC couldn't already do even on the older (but still current) UE4 engine.

[SubCog]

Anyone know enough about this that they can lay it out for me on why all the news sites are making such a big deal about the SSD's? Every single one of them are boasting about the "zero load times". PC's have had SSD's for a very long time now, and they are far from zero load times.

1. The PS5 ssd is supposed to be significantly faster than any ssd available on the market now.
   
   
2. Sony has included a bunch of additional optimizations to the data streaming pipeline... apparently to allow graphics info (like textures) to be streamed straight from the ssd into vram, which can theoretically be used to stream textures from ssd storage in real time. Basically they can tune whatever you're looking at to utilize all of the vram, instead of wasting memory on stuff that's behind you.

In reality, many devs won't fully utilize this for several years to come (if ever), and xbox will be able to do much of the same, as the PS5 ssd is not all that much faster than xbox's.

[SirBaron]

Anyone know enough about this that they can lay it out for me on why all the news sites are making such a big deal about the SSD's? Every single one of them are boasting about the "zero load times". PC's have had SSD's for a very long time now, and they are far from zero load times.

I realize the consoles could be different in their own architecture (even though they are mostly PC parts now anyway), but I'm not sure where this is coming from or what else is involved.

Is it really going to be this game changing, or are they just laying it on thick here and feeding the hype?

The PS5's SSD shouldn't be underestimated, says Mortal Kombat creator

I wouldn't say the PS5 SSD in particular, but the fact that consoles are using SSD in particular is a lot better because game design is limited by how fast you can load assets to RAM/VRAM, so if you want high quality assets, especially ones that are better than PS4/xbox one then you're going to need a drive that can load them fast enough.

Also you will be able to use more varied assets, games loading in seconds because games will be designed around SSD loading.

Games wont have to use "tricks" to high loading either.

It's not that the PS5 SSD is special, sure it's fast it's just with a semi decent CPU and a SSD drive, games will be much better for us on PC as well. Game design isn't limited by ancient hardware this time.

[Ravens Nest]

Turns out even last gen PC SSD's can run the UE5 demo better than the PS5's new tech.


https://www.tomshardware.com/news/un...-pc-nvidia-rtx

https://www.pcgamer.com/unreal-engin...c-performance/





Should also be noted there are also tons of existing Quixel megascan UE4 demos that uses full fidelity assets, which desktops PC's run at 60fps. If that is what the PS5 UE5 demo was supposed to showcase, it didn't show anything the PC couldn't already do even on the older (but still current) UE4 engine.

What made me laugh about that you'll need at least a 2070 to run that demo well then when you look at the bottom of the article it shows you 2070's available for £559 so i'd have to get at least a 2070, Ryzen 3, a Nvme SSD, 16gb DDR4 and all the rest to get anywhere near that! Whats that over a grand to get to near that performance.

The PS5 is probably going to retail for £499 cant see them selling it for higher than that I know what I will probably be buying.

The only thing that sways me away from that is my massive PC game collection, and the RRP for console games.

[Fuku2]

The PS5 ssd is supposed to be significantly faster than any ssd available on the market now.

I thought the PS5 SSD was supposed to be something like this.

https://www.samsung.com/ca/memory-st...d/MZ-V7P512BW/

https://www.amazon.ca/Samsung-970-NV...0659388&sr=8-1

[SubCog]

I thought the PS5 SSD was supposed to be something like this.

https://www.samsung.com/ca/memory-st...d/MZ-V7P512BW/

https://www.amazon.ca/Samsung-970-NV...0659388&sr=8-1

Not sure. Sony claims that they'll have 9gb/s compressed data throughput, compared to that samsung drive's 3.5gb/s throughput (probably not compressed). Not sure how to frame that into an apples-to-apples comparison. For reference, xbox series x is supposed to have 4.8gb/s compressed throughput.

Cerny said that there were no SSDs of that speed available at the time he was speaking about it a couple months back, but that he expected that some would probably hit the market before PS5 launches later in the year.

[DeathKnight]

There are SSD's of that speed already available, or at least pretty damn close.

Take this Corsair MP600 for example which has been available since July/August last year: https://www.newegg.com/corsair-force...82E16820236548

Sequential read of up to 4950MB/s. These are uncompressed speeds.

[SD-[Inc]]

There are SSD's of that speed already available, or at least pretty damn close.

Take this Corsair MP600 for example which has been available since July/August last year: https://www.newegg.com/corsair-force...82E16820236548

Sequential read of up to 4950MB/s. These are uncompressed speeds.

That won't factor into game development for PC for many years. Developers cannot take advantage of this disk speed when building for the PC since so few systems will have this capability. While developers for PS5 can optimize directly for the exact throughput supported by the PS5. This is what could be groundbreaking about this new generation of consoles.

[SubCog]

That won't factor into game development for PC for many years. Developers cannot take advantage of this disk speed when building for the PC since so few systems will have this capability. While developers for PS5 can optimize directly for the exact throughput supported by the PS5. This is what could be groundbreaking about this new generation of consoles.

Devs can also optimize for xbox series x, just targeting a slower transfer rate. Both are fast, and both are known quantities. Both are a whole different world than PC gaming.

Eventually some PC game will require an SSD. I remember when Quake3 yanked the bandaid off for graphics cards... sure it hurts at first, but it makes things better for the whole industry.

What we really need is a system where we can store games on large/cheap harddrives, but then cache a few games that you're currently playing on an ssd... dynamically transferring games between the two drives as needed. Both the nextgen consoles pretty much do that anyway, if you plug in a USB 3.0 drive for mass storage. SSDs are cheap enough to start requiring them (which is why consoles are adopting them), but still prohibitively expensive for mass storage.

[SirBaron]

Sony has told PlayStation 4 game developers that any new titles submitted for certification must also be compatible with PlayStation 5, beginning 13th July.

This means all PS4 games received by Sony for testing after the middle of that month are technically forwards compatible - playable on Sony's next-gen console - though it is up to each game's developer to ensure this is the case.

Sony has told developers it will contact them individually with details on how to test PS5 compatibility, in the order of their various projects' release.


If a game was originally submitted to Sony before 13th July 2020, any new patch or remaster after that date would not require PS5 compatibility, but it would be "strongly recommended".

If a game was originally submitted to Sony after 13th July 2020, any future patch or remaster to that game would need to keep PS5 compatibility. Once a game is PS5 compatible, it must stay so.

Sony being sony I guess.

It's good it has some BC, but really it should be all. This isn't like some alien hardware like Cell, or emotion engine or whatever. This is PC Centric hardware.

[Nascar24]

June 4th reveal canceled.

[SubCog]

June 4th reveal canceled.

If cops would just stop wrongfully killing people, then we wouldn't be having this problem.

[Nascar24]

If cops would just stop wrongfully killing people, then we wouldn't be having this problem.

And China spreading COVID I would already have my new GPU by now!

[KAC]

This is bull crap.

[bill dennison]

PS5 Dev Kit Patent Shows Off Cooling System in Detail, Vapor Chamber and 6 Fans in Use

https://wccftech.com/ps5-dev-kit-pat...vapor-chamber/

[MyTMouse]

https://wccftech.com/ps5-dev-kit-pat...vapor-chamber/

I'd imagine that would be pretty loud...I hope thats not what the final design will be anything like.

The Series X may not look sexy but it sems to have very efficient cooling that'll probably be fairly quiet

[GravY]

I'd imagine that would be pretty loud...I hope thats not what the final design will be anything like.

The Series X may not look sexy but it sems to have very efficient cooling that'll probably be fairly quiet

It was designed around cooling.

If the ps5 is using multiple smaller fans it's going to eventually be another hive of angry bees.