Official Nintendo Switch Discussion

[SirBaron]

Though to be fair, a lot of games can be finished in less than that time and then they'll never be touched again. That's the main reason that GameFly and such can exist.

Agreed, would be better if you can play a single VC game as long as you like, then when you're done with it, then you can return it and get a different one. However, that would get in the way of Nintendo basically using the 30 days as advertising and a trial and hoping to lure you into a purchase.

There's no defending this, it's absolute crap that they only give it for 30 days, why pay for online then? If all the stuff they want you to use is on a phone app and you get **** all else.

[SirBaron]

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[demo]

Looks gay with mostly shiit launch titles, but I want one.

[Meteor_of_War]

well according to this ign article the only difference you'll be getting between switch and wii-U version is higher resolution and faster load times (due to cartridge vs disc...moot if its downloaded). FPS is reportedly the same between the two.

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2017/01/1...witch-is-1080p

I'm not a Zelda fan so that wouldn't be a system seller for me.
Mario Kart MIGHT might have been (I bought my Wii-U bundled with Mario Kart) but I have the exact same game minus the good battle mode pretty much.

Its gonna take more to get me into a Switch. Maybe sometime down the line but not at launch or until there's more noteworthy titles to my liking.

Well only thing that would make me indecisive would be if the Switch version was 60fps and the Wii U was 30fps. If they're both going to be 30 I'll just go with the Wii U version. Unless there are reports of BAD framerate drops.

Visually, the differences I've seen are minimal IMO. Switch version looks slightly crisper, with better colors. These games are all about gameplay and art STYLE to me, so technical prowess is not really a factor with Nintendo games. Just give me the full game with no content stripped out and I'll play it on a toaster. Plus, will be nice to put my Wii U to good use, rather than getting yet another console that of which I really have no room for right now. Also, the portability of the Switch is a total non-factor to me. I never play games anywhere but on my couch at home and don't intend otherwise.

[Mangler]

Keep in mind that they are comparing near release footage with a year old build, the wii u version probably has the same visual style now.

[Sasquach]

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Looks the same for the most part (obviously its also different builds at different stages of completion). The more recent Switch version looks like the lighting saturation/brightness has been dialed back and the colours tweaked (or the lighting causes the colours to show up more prominently)

[nutcrackr]

Hard to tell but looks like switch has sharper / better shadows.

[Meteor_of_War]

I'll probably wait until about mid to late March when its been out for a while to be sure.

I've been playing through the old Zelda games working my way up to Twilight Princess which I've never played yet. So no rush.

[TenFour]

I can't tell any quality difference between the two.

The Splatoon 2 footage definitely looks better than Splatoon. Crisper textures possibly, almost certainly a fancier shader on the paint.

The Gamespot guy covering Mario Kart who said it's his favorite series said the Switch version of MK8 looks like it had slightly lower resolution textures. He was going of of memory but seemed pretty confident.

They seem close enough that it's hard to say whether hardware limitations are actually a factor in any of these comparisons.

[Progression]

Frame rate and aliasing seem better on the Switch, but just barely. There are some drastic light changes though (and LOD usage).

[|MaguS|]

http://www.nintendo.com/switch/buy-n...do-switch-gray

Mmmm love that Nintendo Tax.

Pro Controller $70
Each Joy-Con is $50 or $80 for a pair!
Grip is $30
Replacement Dock (mind you its only real function is AC and HDMI Output) is $90

[SirBaron]

PlayStation tax is just as bad, let's not forget vita memory cards, and it's assortment of accessories.

Replacements docks are over priced and I can't see the point of it.

Joy cons are a bit Overpriced But all controllers to me are. Overpriced these days.

FYI the controllers last 20 hours so at least quadruple the power of my ds4 damn controller is good but goddamn it's battery.

[Drunken Janitor]

http://www.nintendo.com/switch/buy-n...do-switch-gray

Mmmm love that Nintendo Tax.

Pro Controller $70
Each Joy-Con is $50 or $80 for a pair!
Grip is $30
Replacement Dock (mind you its only real function is AC and HDMI Output) is $90

I can only hope there are some good peripherals from 3rd parties and more fair prices.

[jimmt]

The more I think about the switch the more I have come to realize this is a new handheld that CAN be docked to a TV. Nintendo is even marketing it as such based on the presentation. Taking that into consideration then the graphic quality is actually pretty stellar.

[The PyroPath]

This is what they should have been playing at a lot more. Nintendo is getting a lot of flack for calling this a home console which can be taken on a trip. While this doesn't fly it is also stupid to call it a pure portable with docking possibilities.

I think they just should have come out to say they will quit the traditional home console market. That they don't want to compete in a purely performance and power based market. That the technology is advancing so fast that it has made it possible to offer something which enables a homeconsole like experience, being more capable than their last home gen but also enabling on the go gaming. That it is finally feasible to give people home console quality and fidelity on the go. That switch is just that: neither home, neither portable and a true hybrid. Compromises had to be made, like battery life and not giving a bigger jump over the last home console they made but that the experience this offers is awesome.

[Mangler]

IMO, the poor battery life makes it the console equivalent of a gaming laptop.

[SirBaron]

3ds wasnt that much better, 3-5 hours for original 3ds.

[Meteor_of_War]

Been a few days now since the presentation and I think I've decided what I'm going to do.

I will be skipping the Switch at launch, and hoping the Mario Odyssey game gets sold as a pack in/bundle game with the console around the 2017 holidays. If so I will buy it then.

Honestly, most new console launch lineups suck, so its no going to be DOA because of that. I mean, how many console's in the history of gaming had good launch lineups? So I don't think that's a problem. But, if Nintendo was launching the Switch in March with both Zelda and the new Mario game I think it would have helped them immensely. I sure as hell would have preordered it.

So yeah, I'll be buying Zelda for the Wii U at release, and holding out until end of 2017 to consider buying the Switch console when Mario will be released and the hope for a bundle. Something tells me a lot of other people are going to do the same, and in that case I expect the Switch to get off to a slow start and then really ramp up sales this coming holiday season with the new Mario and other titles released by then.

[TenFour]

Yeah, the launch window lineup is actually pretty strong relative to other consoles of the past. A major Zelda and Mario, plus Splatoon 2 by December puts it in a better spot than most consoles at their first holiday season.

Since Nintendo is terrible at under-predicting how much to produce, coming out in March instead of November may help them manage this launch better.

I don't believe the manufactured scarcity theory (except in the case of Amiibo) as it makes no financial sense whatsoever. Consoles aren't collectors items. More people want a console when all their friends have one, not when almost no one has one. They don't want to miss out on the games their friends are playing and talking about. And companies want as much money as possible, as soon as it is possible.

[SirBaron]

They're shipping 2 million machines through March to meet demand, but gamestop and Amazon are out of stock.

[Mangler]

I hope zelda is not a mess on the wii u then.

I have not preordered a switch, and I guess it is too late for that now.

[jimmt]

The more I read things like this the more I am discouraged with the switch. I really had high hopes, but I am starting to agree that Nintendo just doesn't get it.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertco.../#516155ba3559

[Meteor_of_War]

I hope zelda is not a mess on the wii u then.

I have not preordered a switch, and I guess it is too late for that now.

Isn't it a fair guess to estimate the Wii U version has probably been done for a good while now, and they've just held it back to release along side the Switch version?

If that is true I'd wager that the Wii U version will be quite polished and stable when its released.

[TenFour]

The more I read things like this the more I am discouraged with the switch. I really had high hopes, but I am starting to agree that Nintendo just doesn't get it.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertco.../#516155ba3559

They might be getting it, but still value profit over happy customers. Keep in mind that video games are Nintendo's only business. Sony and Microsoft seem content to have video game divisions that break even with the hopes of building up their brands and maybe becoming profitable years down the road. So they sell consoles at a loss just to win customers.

I think Nintendo keeps making consoles primarily because they make a lot of money off of them. I wished they'd go software only, but maybe they don't think that's as profitable overall.

I hope zelda is not a mess on the wii u then.

I have not preordered a switch, and I guess it is too late for that now.

Considering Zelda Wii U probably has a later release date, you'll probably have your choice of console by the time that comes out.

[Mangler]

It has the same release date as the switch version.

[SubCog]

[The PyroPath]

The amount of whining is just baffling me.

Like the above picture. People love to say you shouldn't compare the systems when it's not convenient, just as much that you should when it fits their agenda. It's a ludicrous comparison but hey, it generates some laughs. Also the amount of first world problems dragged into this is insane.

For example: ZOMG you need a different joycon dock to charge them, WTFBBQSAUS, so Nintendo, so stupid! Now I must shell out another 30 for this, screw that! I'm not going to buy it.

The controllers in fact last about 20 hours on a single charge, so that's what, two times the battery life of the PS4 controllers? Don't you stop playing games for a few hours somewhere in between?

I can't help but think people are searching for stupid reasons to defend not having to buy one. If you don't like the concept of taking your console on the go, this is not for you. No amount of switcheroo will convince you otherwise, so don't pretend.

In the meanwhile tablet manufacturers are still charging $200 for lackluster tablets and everyone is fine with that. Phone makers charge an arm, leg and kidney for a fricking phone with meh specs, no support and low storage and people sacrifice their first born to get one every freaking year.

I just don't get it and me not getting it drives me insane.

[|MaguS|]

The amount of whining is just baffling me.

Like the above picture. People love to say you shouldn't compare the systems when it's not convenient, just as much that you should when it fits their agenda. It's a ludicrous comparison but hey, it generates some laughs. Also the amount of first world problems dragged into this is insane.

For example: ZOMG you need a different joycon dock to charge them, WTFBBQSAUS, so Nintendo, so stupid! Now I must shell out another 30 for this, screw that! I'm not going to buy it.

The controllers in fact last about 20 hours on a single charge, so that's what, two times the battery life of the PS4 controllers? Don't you stop playing games for a few hours somewhere in between?

I can't help but think people are searching for stupid reasons to defend not having to buy one. If you don't like the concept of taking your console on the go, this is not for you. No amount of switcheroo will convince you otherwise, so don't pretend.

In the meanwhile tablet manufacturers are still charging $200 for lackluster tablets and everyone is fine with that. Phone makers charge an arm, leg and kidney for a fricking phone with meh specs, no support and low storage and people sacrifice their first born to get one every freaking year.

I just don't get it and me not getting it drives me insane.

You know the battery life from experience or what Nintendo has told you? The fact that you can't even charge the default controllers separately from the base unit is a ****ing joke.

As for Tablet Manufactures charging $200 for a lackluster tablet... you know that's the price of the Nvidia Shield Tablet that the Switch basically is (minus the better display, more powerful hardware and larger battery).

BTW this year I bet we get unlocked phones with more powerful hardware than the switch as well as better displays for the same (if not cheaper) price.

The internals of the switch are already two years old, stop trying to pretend they are not.

What I don't get that drives me insane is the amount of apologist there are for Nintendo. Their fans are OK with them constantly rehashing the same ****ing games year after year and putting out "new" hardware that is years old in tech already just because of IP that have been meh for years now.

[Nascar24]

The reason the switch should be sold for $199. Already have Zelda on preorder for the WiiU!

[SirBaron]

The whole phones will get better hardware thing always gets me when you may get 20 year old pc ports, or candy crush. Woopee

20 hours is more than enough for a controller and yes Nintendo said it, even if it turns out to be 18 hours you're telling me it's too ****ing hard to put them back on the machine to charge?

There's Nintendo apologists and then there's company shills for the opposite spectrum.

Also who seriously compares a tablet hardware to a console? Besides stupid people I mean.

Oh no my xperia z5 isn't as fast as my pc, but costs nearly half as much. Goddamn what a slow pile of crap.



There's plenty of wrong which Nintendo is doing but the hardware isn't one of them.

[The PyroPath]

You know the battery life from experience or what Nintendo has told you? The fact that you can't even charge the default controllers separately from the base unit is a ****ing joke.

As for Tablet Manufactures charging $200 for a lackluster tablet... you know that's the price of the Nvidia Shield Tablet that the Switch basically is (minus the better display, more powerful hardware and larger battery).

BTW this year I bet we get unlocked phones with more powerful hardware than the switch as well as better displays for the same (if not cheaper) price.

The internals of the switch are already two years old, stop trying to pretend they are not.

What I don't get that drives me insane is the amount of apologist there are for Nintendo. Their fans are OK with them constantly rehashing the same ****ing games year after year and putting out "new" hardware that is years old in tech already just because of IP that have been meh for years now.

I'm not apologizing for anyone, I'm just baffled at all the whining of people who are not even interested in Nintendo, the games or switch hardware in general.

You bring the Nvidia shield tablet into this as a comparison, which costs $199, has a slightly bigger screen and higher resolution and bigger battery. On the other hand it has halve the RAM, halve the storage, comes with no controllers or accessories and game support is meh and/or requires a PC to stream. I don't think the Switch is cheap but running around and yelling how stupidly expensive it is, is a bridge to far.

You say it is old tech and therefore should be much cheaper. And I give you the fact that it isn't running a cutting edge chip as far as we know right now, but how old is the tech in PS4 and XBOXone exactly?

I don't think that's apologetic, but the fact there is a double standard everywhere where and when it fits the agenda.

[Nascar24]

The whole phones will get better hardware thing always gets me when you may get 20 year old pc ports, or candy crush. Woopee

20 hours is more than enough for a controller and yes Nintendo said it, even if it turns out to be 18 hours you're telling me it's too ****ing hard to put them back on the machine to charge?

There's Nintendo apologists and then there's company shills for the opposite spectrum.

Also who seriously compares a tablet hardware to a console? Besides stupid people I mean.

Oh no my xperia z5 isn't as fast as my pc, but costs nearly half as much. Goddamn what a slow pile of crap.



There's plenty of wrong which Nintendo is doing but the hardware isn't one of them.

From what I see from Nintendo they are promoting it as more of a console than a Handheld. They should probably change that talk and state it as a Handheld that can be used on your TV. As far as a console goes it appears to be weak sauce again. As a Handheld it is decent but in my opinion should be priced at $199 then. It seems that Nintendo wants it both ways and wants to charge the higher price of a console. Yes it is more powerful then a WiiU but no where enough for me to purchase it for games that I already have on the WiiU such as Mario Kart 8 and the new Zelda coming in a few months.

[SirBaron]

I agree for Wii U owners theres. Not much point in getting it until it's either Cheaper, or there are more games. Luckily for Nintendo there's not manu Wii U owners

[ShaidarHaran]

I have a Wii U. I am going to stop buying games for it immediately. I also have a 3DS. There are still lots of good games for it that I don't have yet so I will probably keep buying them. That should tell you the state of the Wii U library...

I'll get a Switch if for no other reason than it's what the Wii U should have been and it will have Breath of the Wild at launch.

[Mangler]

I'm surprised that nintendo did not take advantage of that fact by doing more wii u ports, Bayonetta 1&2 Full HD would have been pretty nice.

[Meteor_of_War]

I've never really understood the point in specs talk with Nintendo consoles. Everyone knows Nintendo doesn't chase the high end performance crown, but instead tries to focus on making fun and innovative gaming experiences.

This guy says it pretty well:

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[Mangler]

It's because they have not yet given up the hope of playing big third party titles on a nintendo consoles.

[Meteor_of_War]

It's because they have not yet given up the hope of playing big third party titles on a nintendo consoles.

Well its way past due for those people to give up that hope.

You want to play big third party titles? That's what the other platforms are for. You want to play Nintendo titles and try innovative new stuff, get a Nintendo platform.

What the Switch needs is for third party developers to make games specific for the Switch. If that pans out for Nintendo this time, unlike what happened with the Wii U with all developers abandoning it, then it will be a success.

[The PyroPath]

From what I see from Nintendo they are promoting it as more of a console than a Handheld. They should probably change that talk and state it as a Handheld that can be used on your TV. As far as a console goes it appears to be weak sauce again. As a Handheld it is decent but in my opinion should be priced at $199 then. It seems that Nintendo wants it both ways and wants to charge the higher price of a console. Yes it is more powerful then a WiiU but no where enough for me to purchase it for games that I already have on the WiiU such as Mario Kart 8 and the new Zelda coming in a few months.

I think they shouldn't call it either a home console or portable one and play into their weaknesses and explain what it is that way: No it's not a home console because of the form factor and it is weaker than a Nintendo home console could or should be. No it's not a portable console because it's just not quite portable enough, hasn't got a long enough battery life etcetera. It's a hybrid and has compromises because of that. Something like that. Playing either the home or portable console card will get them flack either way.

[Nascar24]

I have a Wii U. I am going to stop buying games for it immediately. I also have a 3DS. There are still lots of good games for it that I don't have yet so I will probably keep buying them. That should tell you the state of the Wii U library...

I'll get a Switch if for no other reason than it's what the Wii U should have been and it will have Breath of the Wild at launch.

Not here, just picked up star fox zero, xenoblade x and preordered Zelda. That being said that will probably be the end of it for the WiiU. Just because no more games will be produced. There is no switch in my near future.