Official Nintendo Switch Discussion

[SubCog]

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Here's a video to run naitive aspect ratio on your new monitor OverclockN

HD version taking a while to process.

Seems the game can even run in 21:9 via AR code.

So yeah, I for sure wont be getting that crappy pack.

[Sasquach]

Nintendo just had a mini partner direct...and its a doozy.
https://www.nintendo.com/nintendo-direct/09-17-2020/

Megaton announcements:
-Monster Hunter Rise
-Monster Hunter Stories 2
(both run on a modified RE engine i think, dont know if its enough to have an actual port of RE2/3/7/8 working on it)
-Disgaea 6
-Rune Factory 5
-Ori and the Will of the Wisps (available today)

Trailers:
-PGA 2K21
-Fitness Boxing 2
-Empire of Sin
-The Long Dark
-Balan Wonderworld
-Sniper Elite 4

[MyTMouse]

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Nintendo did more than just slap these games straight into an emulator...as I already said they would.

They didn't put a lot of work in though and I'd only give Nintendo 5/10 for what they've done. All three games could easily run at 1080p/60fps but they don't. It looks like the most work was done to Mario Sunshine.

I'm sure these games will get a patch or two to improve a few things but I wouldn't expect frame rate or resolution bumps

[KAC]

Got it for my kid. He is enjoying it.

[SirBaron]

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Nintendo did more than just slap these games straight into an emulator...as I already said they would.

They didn't put a lot of work in though and I'd only give Nintendo 5/10 for what they've done. All three games could easily run at 1080p/60fps but they don't. It looks like the most work was done to Mario Sunshine.

I'm sure these games will get a patch or two to improve a few things but I wouldn't expect frame rate or resolution bumps

They said in the video they litteraly use Emulators , there are emulators within the files of the games themselves, beyond that all they did was redo a few videos, and change the controls a bit.

The only thing they did that I want is the new uprezzed videos they have on Galaxy, someone extract those and add it to the Dolphin Emulator.

[SubCog]

They said in the video they litteraly use Emulators , there are emulators within the files of the games themselves, beyond that all they did was redo a few videos, and change the controls a bit.

The only thing they did that I want is the new uprezzed videos they have on Galaxy, someone extract those and add it to the Dolphin Emulator.

I think you missed some details.

• Mario 64 is emulated, with alot of injected textures. No widescreen available.
• Mario Sunshine is emulated, with widescreen, some inject hud assets.
• Mario Galaxy's game code has been recompiled for ARM, while the graphics code is emulated... And they've made some significant updates to the controls.

Some of these decisions are strange, especially for Mario64... Hell there's community recompiled and recompiled versions available on the Switch that are superior in every way, and that's a little embarrassing.

But I get it, that Nintendo is using this collection as a proof of concept for emulating these platforms move ng forward. I fully expect to see Nintendo release more and more games from those eras.

There's nothing fundamentally wrong with the emulation route, and I in some cases it may be the most efficient route to get stuff done. As long as these games run smoothly and aren't bottlenecked by the emulation, it's a perfectly fine strategy.

Hopefully they'll patch Mario64 to run in widescreen. I desperately wish they'd get Sunshine working in 60fps, but nintendo's not microsoft, right?

[Silent-Runner]

Problem solved

[Cynicalking]

I think you missed some details.

• Mario 64 is emulated, with alot of injected textures. No widescreen available.
• Mario Sunshine is emulated, with widescreen, some inject hud assets.
• Mario Galaxy's game code has been recompiled for ARM, while the graphics code is emulated... And they've made some significant updates to the controls.

Some of these decisions are strange, especially for Mario64... Hell there's community recompiled and recompiled versions available on the Switch that are superior in every way, and that's a little embarrassing.

But I get it, that Nintendo is using this collection as a proof of concept for emulating these platforms move ng forward. I fully expect to see Nintendo release more and more games from those eras.

There's nothing fundamentally wrong with the emulation route, and I in some cases it may be the most efficient route to get stuff done. As long as these games run smoothly and aren't bottlenecked by the emulation, it's a perfectly fine strategy.

Hopefully they'll patch Mario64 to run in widescreen. I desperately wish they'd get Sunshine working in 60fps, but nintendo's not microsoft, right?

A lot is really stretching it. Only a few were replaced, or are really not noticeable.

[SirBaron]

I’m not expecting full blown remakes, but some work would have been nice.

Or instead make a galaxy duo pack, then I’d be maybe sorta more interested.

[SubCog]

So I spent some time with 3d All Stars this morning, and here are my thoughts:

• Overall the complaints are all valid. This was an incredibly half-assed effort by nintendo, and falls far short of their normal quality standards in many ways.
• All 3 games are amazing, and I'm still glad we get them. But yes, $60 is ridiculous for what they delivered.
• All 3 games look very nice and play smoothly, so no major complaints there. The emulation itself seems to be very good.
• Mario64 not only lacks widescreen, but doesn't even fill the full height of the screen either... There's black bars on all 4 sides. They really need to fix this in an update, 'cause it's super sloppy.
• Mario64 updates the textures that most desperately needed updates, including the hud elements, anything round (spheres, trees, etc.). I've heard people complain that they didn't update ALL textures, but really it's mostly fine. The art direction in Mario64 was impeccable, and the aesthetics stand the test of time well.
• It's supremely embarrassing though that there are already better versions of Mario64 running on the switch, with 1080p rendering, 60fps, updated textures, widescreen, updated camera controls. Heck, there's even better EMULATED versions of Mario64 running on the switch. The official release isn't bad, but it's massively failing to reach it's potential.
• Mario Sunshine is gorgeous, runs in widescreen, the presentation is excellent. I would love for them to recompile the gamecode and run it at 60fps, but whatever.
• The emulation for Sunshine is excellent, but this approach means they couldn't change any gameplay, which was sorely needed. The Sunshine controls and gameplay are every bit as janky as they were on the gamecube, and this game really needed some modernizations... especially for controlling the water canon, where Galaxy-style motion controls would have been AMAZING, and also some camera issues especially while chasing that blue mario guy... they definitely need to add some kind of radar system for finding him when he goes off screen. There's lots of opportunities for doing Sunshine right, and Nintendo got half-way there in this release.
• Mario Galaxy's presentation looks gorgeous as expected, and in many ways is the best of this collection. They've rejiggered the controls, and the menus even support touch inputs (sorely missing from the other games). The pointer to collect stars doesn't work as well without the Wiimote, and it's overall a bit sluggish and imprecise with the joycon. There's good options for 2 player controls too.
• I kindof expected this collection to offer some additional stuff, like artwork and such. But it's very bare-bones, with just 3 games, and 3 soundtracks, and absolutely nothing else.

Hopefully they'll continue to update this collection over time. Here are the biggest items I want them to fix, in order of priority:

1. Mario64 proper widescreen support with no black bars to make it consistent with the rest of the collection. This can be done with emulation, and there's no reason they can't do this.
2. Support Gamecube controllers for mario sunshine.
3. Mario Sunshine in 60fps.
4. Get everything running at 1080p in docked mode.
5. Enhanced controls for Sunshine.

[MyTMouse]

So I spent some time with 3d All Stars this morning, and here are my thoughts:

• Overall the complaints are all valid. This was an incredibly half-assed effort by nintendo, and falls far short of their normal quality standards in many ways.
• All 3 games are amazing, and I'm still glad we get them. But yes, $60 is ridiculous for what they delivered.
• All 3 games look very nice and play smoothly, so no major complaints there. The emulation itself seems to be very good.
• Mario64 not only lacks widescreen, but doesn't even fill the full height of the screen either... There's black bars on all 4 sides. They really need to fix this in an update, 'cause it's super sloppy.
• Mario64 updates the textures that most desperately needed updates, including the hud elements, anything round (spheres, trees, etc.). I've heard people complain that they didn't update ALL textures, but really it's mostly fine. The art direction in Mario64 was impeccable, and the aesthetics stand the test of time well.
• It's supremely embarrassing though that there are already better versions of Mario64 running on the switch, with 1080p rendering, 60fps, updated textures, widescreen, updated camera controls. Heck, there's even better EMULATED versions of Mario64 running on the switch. The official release isn't bad, but it's massively failing to reach it's potential.
• Mario Sunshine is gorgeous, runs in widescreen, the presentation is excellent. I would love for them to recompile the gamecode and run it at 60fps, but whatever.
• The emulation for Sunshine is excellent, but this approach means they couldn't change any gameplay, which was sorely needed. The Sunshine controls and gameplay are every bit as janky as they were on the gamecube, and this game really needed some modernizations... especially for controlling the water canon, where Galaxy-style motion controls would have been AMAZING, and also some camera issues especially while chasing that blue mario guy... they definitely need to add some kind of radar system for finding him when he goes off screen. There's lots of opportunities for doing Sunshine right, and Nintendo got half-way there in this release.
• Mario Galaxy's presentation looks gorgeous as expected, and in many ways is the best of this collection. They've rejiggered the controls, and the menus even support touch inputs (sorely missing from the other games). The pointer to collect stars doesn't work as well without the Wiimote, and it's overall a bit sluggish and imprecise with the joycon. There's good options for 2 player controls too.
• I kindof expected this collection to offer some additional stuff, like artwork and such. But it's very bare-bones, with just 3 games, and 3 soundtracks, and absolutely nothing else.

Hopefully they'll continue to update this collection over time. Here are the biggest items I want them to fix, in order of priority:

1. Mario64 proper widescreen support with no black bars to make it consistent with the rest of the collection. This can be done with emulation, and there's no reason they can't do this.
2. Support Gamecube controllers for mario sunshine.
3. Mario Sunshine in 60fps.
4. Get everything running at 1080p in docked mode.
5. Enhanced controls for Sunshine.

I'd imagine (hopefully) there will be an update or two to smooth things out. It just makes me sad that companies with great talent and massive resources can't (or won't) even accomplish what a couple dozen fans in the community can do.

I still have my Gamecube and Wii so I can still play Sunshine and BOTH Mario Galaxy 1&2

It struck me that the name is Mario 3D All-Stars...kinda hinting that this is a collection of the All-Star 3D Mario games. You'd think that they'd also include Super Mario 3D World at the least because that's also a big 3D title and then they'd have one from each of their previous 3D consoles (N64, Gamecube, Wii, WiiU). Nintendo being the greedy Disney-like bastards that they are

[Sasquach]

I'd imagine (hopefully) there will be an update or two to smooth things out. It just makes me sad that companies with great talent and massive resources can't (or won't) even accomplish what a couple dozen fans in the community can do.

I still have my Gamecube and Wii so I can still play Sunshine and BOTH Mario Galaxy 1&2

It struck me that the name is Mario 3D All-Stars...kinda hinting that this is a collection of the All-Star 3D Mario games. You'd think that they'd also include Super Mario 3D World at the least because that's also a big 3D title and then they'd have one from each of their previous 3D consoles (N64, Gamecube, Wii, WiiU). Nintendo being the greedy Disney-like bastards that they are

Well they could separate 3d world from the rest since 3d world isnt THAT old compared to the rest. Im also guessing the Wii-U's relative failure justified 3d world to have more exposure by itself.

But the omission of Galaxy 2 was a huge oversight, that should have been included in the collection, theres no reason why it shouldnt have been.

[MyTMouse]

Well they could separate 3d world from the rest since 3d world isnt THAT old compared to the rest. Im also guessing the Wii-U's relative failure justified 3d world to have more exposure by itself.

But the omission of Galaxy 2 was a huge oversight, that should have been included in the collection, theres no reason why it shouldnt have been.

Probably to keep cart sizes down and maybe because they already had one Galaxy game and didn't see the purpose of adding a second? Who knows, Nintendo lives in its own world

[Dungeoncrawler]

Still after 4 years people are finding new things about BOTW.

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[Mangler]

Metroid.



I hope the stalking element isn't as annoying as it is in other titles.

[Sasquach]

Metroid Dread is the big announcement (2d metroid)
Theres also a new warioware and a Super Mario party remix/remastered collection? Im guessing they're taking the good minigames from the old ones into this new one?

Life is Strange and Guardians of the Galaxy (most likely cloud version, but isnt indicated) are notable 3rd party titles coming.

Oh and a Tekken guy in smash.

[Hapatingjaky]

New Switch Announced.... Disappointing...

1.) OLED 7" display... Why?
2.) 64GB Onboard Storage
3.) Enhanced Audio
4.) New Dock with Wired Ethernet Port

Everyone hoping for a Switch Pro that would do 4K with DLSS on a new Nvidia Tegra is seriously disappointed.

https://www.ign.com/articles/switch-...ced-oled-model

[Mangler]

Xenoblade 2 is going to look fabulous on that OLED at 320x240 or whatever shitty res that game is running at.



The switch really needs a spec bump, all those games running at a dynamic res will benefit from it.

[Sasquach]

I think people were overly optimisic about the Switch Pro.

The funny thing is...this looks like its supposed to fill the somewhat non-existant gap between the Switch and the Switch Lite lol.

Switch for docked mode
Switch OLED for the nicer screen in tablestop or handheld modes
Switch lite for Handheld only.

[Elysian]

They're releasing the Switch Pro no one asked for, priced like the Switch Pro everyone dreamed of. I'm not mad about the new model, but they missed the mark so badly.

[Sasquach]

They're releasing the Switch Pro no one asked for, priced like the Switch Pro everyone dreamed of. I'm not mad about the new model, but they missed the mark so badly.

I wont be surprised going foward if this OLED model just ends up replacing the previous OG and (-01) revised switch models.

It just seems like a 3ds > 3ds XL situation, where the XL eventually just became the only 3ds model.

With that said i also wont be surprised now if the Switch Pro ends up being the successor console for the next generation of switch. I would hope by this time they run it on say the Tegra X3 or equivalent, since X2 would likely be old hat by the time switch pro/2/etc comes out (if they continue to use Tegra).

[Meteor_of_War]

I don't think Nintendo has ever released a revision of a console with significantly more powerful specs. They just never do that so it shouldn't have been expected.

They usually go for a revision that's more efficiently manufactured cost-wise, with some slight improvements.

[Mangler]

The new 3ds was significantly faster than the previous models.

[Meteor_of_War]

The new 3ds was significantly faster than the previous models.

Was it really? I was really only speaking for their mainline home consoles. The NES up to the Wii U and Switch.

Honestly I never keep up with the handheld stuff. Of course Switch is now a hybrid but I still consider it a standard console.

[Elysian]

Was it really? I was really only speaking for their mainline home consoles. The NES up to the Wii U and Switch.

Honestly I never keep up with the handheld stuff. Of course Switch is now a hybrid but I still consider it a standard console.

Yes, New 3ds was quite a bit more powerful. There's no reason not to upgrade the Switch given it's just an Arm based Nvidia processor.

[SirBaron]

Nintendo doesn't, They keep improving the handheld side of the console, but the docked mode is the same slow ass mode.

Switch 2nd revision has like 2x the battery life?

Switch Lite handheld only

Switch OLED Docked has Ethernet port (yay ) except everything is to improve the handheld.

It's a nice device if you're a first time buyer, but meh Nintendo games themselves are even struggling to keep the framerate.

Bowsers Fury has frequent drops, Hyrule Warrior the latest one by Dynasty Warrior guys runs like dogshit.

If you guys want Switch Pro, I suggest Ryujinx or Yuzu

[Sasquach]

Was it really? I was really only speaking for their mainline home consoles. The NES up to the Wii U and Switch.

Honestly I never keep up with the handheld stuff. Of course Switch is now a hybrid but I still consider it a standard console.

Nintendo had some late generation revisions for some of their consoles.
NES and SNES both had one, but i think they were just physical revisions (plus maybe chipset efficiciency? But these didnt affect performance.
N64 and Gamecube i dont think had any.
Wii had a wii mini which eliminated gamecube support.
Wii-U didnt have.

Switch so far has 2 revisions (original switch > the enhanced chipset switch with the better battery life > This OLED model) and Switch Lite.

DS line had a whole whack of revisions, mainly just feature additions (like the XL for larger screen, Lite for smaller size, etc).
3DS and new 3DS is probaly the only one where they really had any significant hardware revision. I dont think it really lasted long as it fragmented the game support since "new" 3ds games only worked on New 3DS and not the regular one. I honestly dont know if the 3ds line eventually just used the newer chipset until now and dropped the "new" moniker.

[Sasquach]

Nintendo doesn't, They keep improving the handheld side of the console, but the docked mode is the same slow ass mode.

Switch 2nd revision has like 2x the battery life?

Switch Lite handheld only

Switch OLED Docked has Ethernet port (yay ) except everything is to improve the handheld.

It's a nice device if you're a first time buyer, but meh Nintendo games themselves are even struggling to keep the framerate.

Bowsers Fury has frequent drops, Hyrule Warrior the latest one by Dynasty Warrior guys runs like dogshit.

If you guys want Switch Pro, I suggest Ryujinx or Yuzu

to be fair, since its a hybrid console, the handheld side is the only one that can see any real improvements.
On the docked side all you need is the horsepower...and with the switch the limiting factor is the chipset, and theres nothing more that can be done unless they unlock the full clockspeeds. But then they'd need to do something about the cooling as i dont think a docked cooling solution would do much to keep the thing from overheating.

[Meteor_of_War]

Yes, I have all Nintendo's consoles as well their revisions. Not counting handhelds like New 3DS, none of them ever had "improved performance."

Was just making the point that historically Nintendo never does this, unlike Microsoft and Sony which have.

[Sasquach]

Yes, I have all Nintendo's consoles as well their revisions. Not counting handhelds like New 3DS, none of them ever had "improved performance."

Was just making the point that historically Nintendo never does this, unlike Microsoft and Sony which have.

I think the performance increases only started with the PS4/Xbox One generation......

I dont recall any of the older ones having the same things happening to them.
Just the typical die shrink/efficiency revisions that always happen.

[SirBaron]

I wonder if this one will have joycon drift?

[Elysian]

Yes, I have all Nintendo's consoles as well their revisions. Not counting handhelds like New 3DS, none of them ever had "improved performance."

Was just making the point that historically Nintendo never does this, unlike Microsoft and Sony which have.

It's a new world since Sony and Microsoft started doing it.

[Sasquach]

I wonder if this one will have joycon drift?

Introducing HD Drift
Now you can witness your joycon drifting in full HD. Feel the drift in the palm of your hands while you rage at the screen watching your character move without your input. With over 10,000 units of sensitivity, the drift can change from a slow brisk walk to a marathon run in an instant, and you can experience the entire progression of movement and be a part of the drift!

[Meteor_of_War]

It's a new world since Sony and Microsoft started doing it.

Well, one could argue Nintendo marches to the beat of their own drum.

[SirBaron]

Well, one could argue Nintendo marches to the beat of their own drum.

A drum of low resolution, terrible framerates.

YAY

Shite online, no way to message people on your friends list, still no folders, Joycon drift, OS has been barebones since forever etc etc

[Meteor_of_War]

A drum of low resolution, terrible framerates.

YAY

Shite online, no way to message people on your friends list, still no folders, Joycon drift, OS has been barebones since forever etc etc

Yet still millions upon millions are happy with their Switch.

The portability of it kind of makes all those short comings acceptable.

[Hapatingjaky]

Nintendo could have gone with the Tegra X2 or Xavier SoC from Nvidia and possibly doubling the ram all for less or roughly the same cost as the current Switch with native 4K support and DLSS. Xavier SoC supports 8K support.

It is a lost opportunity on Nintendo's part really.

[Elysian]

Yet still millions upon millions are happy with their Switch.

The portability of it kind of makes all those short comings acceptable.

I don't think I've touched mine in over a year.

[SirBaron]

Yet still millions upon millions are happy with their Switch.

The portability of it kind of makes all those short comings acceptable.

But you said you see it as a console earlier, not a handheld

AHA

YOUR HONOR I REST MY CASE!

Anyway, I am not. There are games that reach resolutions and framerates not seen since the 360 era.

Hence why I downloaded Yuzu/Ryujinx and enjoy said games at 4k + mods

[Meteor_of_War]

I don't think I've touched mine in over a year.

But you said you see it as a console earlier, not a handheld

AHA

YOUR HONOR I REST MY CASE!

Anyway, I am not. There are games that reach resolutions and framerates not seen since the 360 era.

Hence why I downloaded Yuzu/Ryujinx and enjoy said games at 4k + mods

Adults are not the target market for the Switch, which is why you probably never play it. Both my kids fight over ours daily.

Nor are PC gamers who want high resolutions and framerate. Most Switch owners don't give a damn about that sort of thing.

But go ahead continue arguing with me over such a dumb topic. Feel like I'm 12 years old again on the school yard.