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    New old car day... I found an 86 325e for sale locally, guy wanted $500 for it. It has 43k on the clock, a 2.5l I6, and a 5 speed. The 1st and 2nd gear are dead, but the engine still runs. It's been sitting since the guy bought it in 2008, he never even transferred the title. It needs new seats and a detailing, but there's a plan to facilitate everything it needs.







    The passenger fender is the only body damage, body is completely straight otherwise. 43k original miles.

    So the plan... I'm really tired of dealing with BMW, and I have the Pathfinder running again, which means, it's project car time. I picked this up so I could shoehorn my 330's engine and trans into it. I'll also use the seats from the 330, so that's covered. I'm going to put the 225hp, 212lb-ft engine into this little car. The best part is, it weighs significantly less than the stock cast iron engine, and it weighs less than the S50/S52/S54 swaps people do in these cars, meaning better handling at the expense of a little bit of power.

    I plan on lowering it, the right way, not the Grimm way. I'm also going to be doing a 5 lug swap, which will also allow for much larger brakes, and I will be using the 5 spoke rims currently on my 330 when I do that. My mechanic is going to take my 330's rolling chassis and turn it into a solid axled drag car, so he doesn't need anything but the shell and the suspension. In exchange, he's going to do any fab work I need done, which will include a custom oil pickup(have to use an E34 oil pan on the new engine), and a 3" exhaust. I'm going to be running headers as well, so I will be roughly at 245hp at the crank, which is 10lbs per horsepower. I'd say that's pretty damned good. Eventually I'll get the paint redone, but that's not a priority, as there's not a spot of rust on the car, so it's still well protected.
    Originally posted by IamHere
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    #2
    No, its not pretty, get over it its my first project car in 5 years though
    Originally posted by IamHere
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      #3
      Originally posted by Elysian View Post
      No, its not pretty, get over it its my first project car in 5 years though
      I like it, and I'm anxious to see what you make of it. The dent gives it personality, no one will expect it to be fast.

      Best of luck with the project!
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        #4
        Very nice.

        Sounds like so much fun. I wish I had a car to work on.

        Where can I pick up a $500 car?
        Maybe when I die
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        lighting up the dark.

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          #5
          Looks like a damn fun project car to me, all I see is potential. I would take damn near any Fox Mustang to work on, with the only exception being better than average paint because it costs so much to paint a car.

          I think it would be fun as hell to tear a car apart and replace it with new or good condition parts. Being able to look back and think "Hey, I did that and here is what it use to look like" would be a great feeling.

          Best of luck, can't wait to see what you make of it!

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            #6
            Originally posted by Elysian View Post
            No, its not pretty, get over it
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              #7
              I have a buddy who did a LS1 swap into a 318. I believe he was going to sell it as he was more interest in the project rather than keeping the result. If you are interested, I could check with him. The car is fast, but needs a little suspension work (some new shocks).

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                #8
                Originally posted by Mahjik View Post
                I have a buddy who did a LS1 swap into a 318. I believe he was going to sell it as he was more interest in the project rather than keeping the result. If you are interested, I could check with him. The car is fast, but needs a little suspension work (some new shocks).
                Nah, I'm in this one for the long haul, I need a good project car.
                Originally posted by IamHere
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                  #9
                  Why are you going to molest your 330 like that? I thought you still owed $$ on it?

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Clockwork View Post
                    Why are you going to molest your 330 like that? I thought you still owed $$ on it?


                    BMW's poor quality sheet metal and crappy subframe mount design has already molested my 330 enough. It's totalled if BMW won't fix it, and I'm really tired of fighting with them to fix it. I don't owe much on it, it'll be paid off by summer.
                    Originally posted by IamHere
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Elysian View Post


                      BMW's poor quality sheet metal and crappy subframe mount design has already molested my 330 enough. It's totalled if BMW won't fix it, and I'm really tired of fighting with them to fix it. I don't owe much on it, it'll be paid off by summer.
                      I'm just thinking your bank might have a problem with that. It's not really officially your vehicle.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Clockwork View Post
                        I'm just thinking your bank might have a problem with that. It's not really officially your vehicle.
                        What my bank doesn't know won't hurt them
                        Originally posted by IamHere
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                          #13


                          Got the engine out today. Still need to strip everything out from under there, I'm actually going to strip the car down to it's bare shell, no wiring, fuel lines, nothing, and clean the hell out of it, but that's going to take some time, I'm in no rush for that.

                          Also, the 330 will be paid off next month, so that hurdle will be gone!
                          Originally posted by IamHere
                          You guys are closet communists.

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                            #14
                            What year is your 330?

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Och View Post
                              What year is your 330?
                              2001 iirc
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Shadowless View Post
                                2001 iirc
                                Seriously to rip apart a 2001 330 and put the motor into that old pos?

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Och View Post
                                  Seriously to rip apart a 2001 330 and put the motor into that old pos?
                                  Did you miss the part about the 2001 being virtually totalled? The 86 isn't the POS, it's a perfectly fine rolling chassis, something that can't be said about the 01. Sorry you don't approve, but this is my project, not yours, so run along
                                  Originally posted by IamHere
                                  You guys are closet communists.

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Elysian View Post
                                    Did you miss the part about the 2001 being virtually totalled? The 86 isn't the POS, it's a perfectly fine rolling chassis, something that can't be said about the 01. Sorry you don't approve, but this is my project, not yours, so run along
                                    Sorry, didn't read the whole thread. What happened to the 330, is the subframe separating?

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Och View Post
                                      Sorry, didn't read the whole thread. What happened to the 330, is the subframe separating?
                                      The sheet metal around the subframe mounts is physically trying to seperate itself from the car now. The car hasn't been driven in a couple of months now, I'd rather use as much of it as I can and sell off the rest.
                                      Originally posted by IamHere
                                      You guys are closet communists.

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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Elysian View Post
                                        The sheet metal around the subframe mounts is physically trying to seperate itself from the car now. The car hasn't been driven in a couple of months now, I'd rather use as much of it as I can and sell off the rest.
                                        Is that the norm with these cars? I have an 05 745 and 2010 335, knock on wood, no problems so far.

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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Och View Post
                                          Is that the norm with these cars? I have an 05 745 and 2010 335, knock on wood, no problems so far.
                                          No, it only happens to the 99-06 3 series, it was poorly designed sheet metal that's also too weak. There was a class action suit about it. The newer 3 series are just too new to tell right now, but I'd imagine after the class action, BMW got their crap together.
                                          Originally posted by IamHere
                                          You guys are closet communists.

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                                            #22
                                            Worked on the 330 some today, the engine is almost ready to come out. Need to give it another once over, but I believe the only things connected right now is fuel and the trans stuff/driveshaft. Tomorrow if I have a chance to work on it in the morning it might be fully ready.
                                            Originally posted by IamHere
                                            You guys are closet communists.

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                                              #23
                                              Cool project, bro!

                                              Post lots of

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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by IamHere
                                                You guys are closet communists.

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                                                  #25
                                                  Are you putting that motor in the other one? I must have missed some back story.

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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by CurrentlyPissed View Post
                                                    Are you putting that motor in the other one? I must have missed some back story.

                                                    Cliffs?
                                                    The 330 is f'd, totalled, the 86 is getting its engine. Frankenswap.
                                                    Originally posted by IamHere
                                                    You guys are closet communists.

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                                                      #27
                                                      So how will the 86 run in comparison to it's original motor?
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Nunz View Post
                                                        So how will the 86 run in comparison to it's original motor?
                                                        Its original motor is a horrid piece of junk. The old engine made 121hp out of 2.7l, and doesn't rev past 5krpm. It was originally meant to be a fuel saving design, the camshaft only has 4 bearings as opposed to the traditional 6, for less friction, but thats why it won't rev past 5krpm. It was so dog slow, it was just absurd. It did get great fuel economy though. The thing that makes this car perfect as a donor though, is that, because of the engine in it, it was absolutely positively 100% never abused, so the wear is going to be minimal on the transmission, which I'll be using in the swap. The rubber parts of the suspension will need changing however, but that comes with the territory, it's German Heres a page with everything about the car you never wanted to know:

                                                        http://www.e30eta.com/hotrod.htm
                                                        Originally posted by IamHere
                                                        You guys are closet communists.

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                                                          #29
                                                          Do me a favor and paint that 86 in flat black, with black wheels with a red lip.

                                                          Always wanted that.
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                                                            #30
                                                            Thats gonna be crazy. Can you show us some more pics of the damage to your 03? I just don't see how thats possible from a first tier manufacture like BMW.

                                                            I like the 03 looks better but this thing is going to be a sleeper for sure.
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                                                              #31
                                                              Just got done pressure washing the engine bay. I also got a free M24 rear subframe minus diff, gonna see if theres any parts i can use to get 5 lug out back. Also picked up E36 M3 spindles. Really enjoying working on this project so far. A local friend is going to try to find me the E34 oil pan+pickup+dipstick for a fair price.

                                                              Originally posted by fO Che -USA- View Post
                                                              Thats gonna be crazy. Can you show us some more pics of the damage to your 03? I just don't see how thats possible from a first tier manufacture like BMW.

                                                              I like the 03 looks better but this thing is going to be a sleeper for sure.


                                                              That's an 8" wide hole.


                                                              That's the mount diagonal to the 8" wide hole, breaking as well. Only 2 mounts solidly held the rear subframe in, the other 2 were ruined. The damage is 5-7k worth of damage to fix properly, car is only worth 6-7k in mint condish.

                                                              The whole piece of sheet metal(seen here, from another car who had a similar tear)

                                                              Is actually trying to tear itself out of the car, it's literally coming unwelded. I've never tracked the car, it was almost entirely stock, suspension wise for the majority of the time I owned the car.
                                                              Originally posted by IamHere
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                                                                #32
                                                                You should have just sold it to someone who wouldn't have known what to look for and was after a keychain to dangle in front of people. Or traded it in at a used or new car lot, since I doubt they'd even look at it that closely.

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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Cowzrul View Post
                                                                  You should have just sold it to someone who wouldn't have known what to look for and was after a keychain to dangle in front of people. Or traded it in at a used or new car lot, since I doubt they'd even look at it that closely.
                                                                  No way, it was a death trap, I'd never want to be responsible for that. What I'm doing is far far more satisfying, building a dedicated track car for the win.
                                                                  Originally posted by IamHere
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Cowzrul View Post
                                                                    You should have just sold it to someone who wouldn't have known what to look for and was after a keychain to dangle in front of people. Or traded it in at a used or new car lot, since I doubt they'd even look at it that closely.
                                                                    Apparently you have no morals whatsoever.

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                                                                      #35
                                                                      That's insane. How much cars of this particular year did this problem affect, percentage wise?

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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by dreamwalker View Post
                                                                        That's insane. How much cars of this particular year did this problem affect, percentage wise?
                                                                        There is no official number, BMW won't even admit any wrong-doing, they only settled so they could make it go away quickly.
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Got the rear subframe out of the E30 and did some measuring. The E24 subframe I got would fit under the E30 no sweat, like you said, the mounts are about half an inch apart. The only thing I have to do to fit it is grind down the bead along the side of the subframe by the mounts on each side, and only a tiny bit of it would need to come off. Probably would patch it up with a weld, so it doesn't cause an issue structurally... I'm concerned about the spot where the shock/spring mounts on the E24... With the E30, the shock mounts below the axle, on the E24, it mounts directly above the axle, so I'm concerned it's going to cause some headache when I get the subframe mounted in the car. I also measured how far from the subframe mount the rear wheel was on the E24 rear end versus the E30, and it'd move the wheel rearwards about 1/4", maybe slightly less, so I don't think that's an area of much concern.
                                                                          Originally posted by IamHere
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            The 01 BMW will be paid off tomorrow!
                                                                            Originally posted by IamHere
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              So the 01 is paid off, and I'm sorting through the wiring trying to get it out of the car so I can figure out what i do and don't need to get the engine running... I've figured out the part for the ignition system, the sensor is the ring around the actual key itself. I've got most of the dash stripped out, however I can't remove the main dash support/cage because it's permanently attached to the steering column via a nasty bolt/rivet thing... I also got the E30 back on its wheels ago so it can move into the garage. I removed the diff from the E30 as well, and found out I have a 2.93:1 limited slip diff. The gearing will likely be swapped for a 3.73 or so, but having the limited slip to start with will save me tons of money.
                                                                              Originally posted by IamHere
                                                                              You guys are closet communists.

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                                                                                #40
                                                                                86 is in the garage now, 01 is ready to be towed off. Decided not to use the 01's electronics after all, going to use the ECU off of an M50, with an M44 crank angle sensor, and a special circuit board to control the exhaust side VANOS(since the M50 ECU is a single VANOS ECU). I'm also contemplating just making this a turbo build from the start, wouldn't need much, less than 10psi(especially since it's 10:1 compression), and I can easily get an exhaust manifold that will mate to my engine, and piece together my own kit.
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