Blu-ray Disc Association declares victory over HD DVD

[Jack & Coke]

random rant.

You still have not disputed the information I posted. Stop with the thinly veiled insults and start with the facts.

As to you not being one sided I checked in a similar thread that posted no numbers or facts but lots of opinion. I expected to see you in that thread personally attacking the original poster and crying over spin and opinion. Oddly enough I saw nothing of the sort.

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33874828

[VW_Factor]

You still have not disputed the information I posted. Stop with the thinly veiled insults and start with the facts.

*snip*

Thats your job to show us that its true. Perhaps you should start out with some facts?

Edit : I must point out, that thread was about a Toms Hardware article and opinions and speculation. Not bulleted PR lists.

[Hidavi]

I dunno. I guess if I bought a PS3 to play games, I'd probably end up going with Blu-Ray just because I don't feel like dropping another $500 for another hd player.

[Jack & Coke]

Thats your job to show us that its true. Perhaps you should start out with some facts?

I posted a link to engadget with notes from CES as proof. What have you done?

Edit : I must point out, that thread was about a Toms Hardware article and opinions and speculation. Not bulleted PR lists.

Ah yes "opinions and speculation" are much better than what I posted.

LOL you still can't dispute what I posted. You just don't like it because it's true.

• Only 4 of the top 20 DVDs last year are from the HD DVD camp. Almost all the top 20 movies are only available on Blu-ray.

• Blu-ray has 96% of the HD player market in Japan. "In terms of Japan, the game is already over there."
• BDA really launched in mass in Q4 which is why they haven't had a huge penetration into the market.
• Every major CE company in the BDA is also a major provider of HDTV Displays.
  5 of the 10 top CE companies have released a Blu-ray player to market.
• Sony has shipped 1 million PS3 as of December 31, 2006.
• 75% of the respondents plan to use their PS3 as a primary device for watching movies.
• Largest variety of movies.
• Largest variety of hardware.
• BDA has seen a 700% increase in software sales since mind-Nov.
• Half of the Sony titles will be BD50, despite what HD DVD said.
• a strong lineup of movie releases as why its market share will continue to increase this year, all but eliminating any competition by 2010

That all looks right to me.

[VW_Factor]

Why would I dispute what you posted?

The Blu-ray Disc Association has wasted no time, issuing a statement that it is victorious as the premiere high definition format of choice. *blah blah blah* Check out our live coverage of the BDA press conference going on right now for more propaganda/truth (depending on your viewpoint).

Just in case you missed it..

Just more spin.. :blahblah:

[Jack & Coke]

Why would I dispute what you posted?

The Blu-ray Disc Association has wasted no time, issuing a statement that it is victorious as the premiere high definition format of choice. *blah blah blah* Check out our live coverage of the BDA press conference going on right now for more propaganda/truth (depending on your viewpoint).

Just in case you missed it..

Just more spin.. :blahblah:

depending on your viewpoint. Your viewpoint is clear. You won't dispute the facts. Until you do, I will cease responding to your empty posts.

[DeathKnight]

People like you don't last very long here. Your posting 'style' (ie. gibberish and full of "I'm right and you're wrong... PROVE I'M WRONG!!1!1") is eerily similar to a couple past users who were banned, made multiple accounts afterward.. all of which were banned as well. Anyone remember BoBVila and Percuvius?

Get off your flippin' highhorse and stop being so extraordinarily difficult. Being snippy and 'smart' with moderators also isn't the wisest idea.

[Vengeance]

Get off your flippin' highhorse and stop being so extraordinarily difficult. Being snippy and 'smart' with moderators also isn't the wisest idea.

[VW_Factor]

Its the propaganda/truth thing is what really gets me here..

Its either half truth or half bullshit. I dont get why he wants us all to take this as ALL truth and prove him wrong.

[Renocide]

depending on your viewpoint. Your viewpoint is clear. You won't dispute the facts. Until you do, I will cease responding to your empty posts.

What you refuse to understand from the HDEngadget article is that the FACTS aren't FACTS and they even say it at the end.

You read what you want to read.

You have yet to post anything that proves the Blu-Ray Associations PR release. If they wanted to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt they would post third party research proving it but your never going to see that as they can't prove it themselves. Or the fact that the research could be recalculated to actually say the exact opposite from what they are claiming.

[drumphil]

I dont get why he wants us all to take this as ALL truth and prove him wrong.

Stop!! You'll make his brain explode. (ok, no, come to think of it, keep going )

Heh, he really doesn't get what the problem with his posts and logic is does he. He just doesn't get it, and its got nothing to do with the actual formats.

[Vengeance]

The thing I find the silliest is this is just more fanboy stuff.
I mean here we already have these......

ATi Vs nVidia fanboys.....

Xbox 360 Vs PS3 Vs Wii fanboys....

And now DVD format fanboys?!?!? WTF? x2

[guest]

I read somewhere that Sony is allowing multi-format players (HD-DVD and Blu-Ray) to be made in an agreement with the industry to allow HD-DVD to wind down and exit the market.

[VW_Factor]

I read somewhere that Sony is allowing multi-format players (HD-DVD and Blu-Ray) to be made in an agreement with the industry to allow HD-DVD to wind down and exit the market.

Source? If so, I think that would deserve its own thread..

[Martin3]

The PS3 is a better player than the Toshiba

Really, the PS3 with no build in scaler is a better player then a Toshiba?

You are most definitely a viral bot.

[SirBaron]

Really, the PS3 with no build in scaler is a better player then a Toshiba?

You are most definitely a viral bot.

No built in scaler and lack of TrueHD support...

[Trunks0]

Really, the PS3 with no build in scaler is a better player then a Toshiba?

You are most definitely a viral bot.

Actually this is an interesting point people miss. If I remember correctly there is a scaler in the PS3 just for Blu-Ray content. But I'm way to tired to spend time googling down that info. So feel free to prove or disprove that while I sleep.

[Clockwork]

No built in scaler and lack of TrueHD support...

I didn't look into this much, but then why does the side of my PS3 have a TrueHD logo on it?

In any case, my preferred format is still HD-DVD. However in terms of player responsiveness I would say the PS3 is leaps and bounds less hassle to use than my Toshiba HD-A1.

I currently own 21 movies on HD-DVD. On Bluray I own 3 (yes, I went against my own biases and actually bought 2 discs - Crank and The Descent, both Lionsgate films which I can't get on HD-DVD and Talladega Nights which came with the PS3)


Being an owner of both, my personal wager in the war between the 2 formats have tamed a bit. If I see something I like on Bluray and I can't get it on HD-DVD I will buy it...simple as that. I am still an HD-DVD fan at heart though.

I also rent alot of movies (via Netflix) and it was nice to know that you can choose to receive movies in all three formats (if available) with a preference order. If the movie is on HD-DVD they will send me that version, if not they will send it on Bluray. If it's not available for either...they will send you the regular dvd. It's really nice.


Anyway....I guess I kind of went off topic.

[painkiller]

I didn't look into this much, but then why does the side of my PS3 have a TrueHD logo on it?

That is because PS3 supports it, but doesn't decode it. You will need a TrueHD capable reciever for that.

[Martin3]

Actually this is an interesting point people miss. If I remember correctly there is a scaler in the PS3 just for Blu-Ray content. But I'm way to tired to spend time googling down that info. So feel free to prove or disprove that while I sleep.

It only has a downscaler only. Which means people with older HD sets(like alot of the rp-crt sets) that can only receive 1080i signal are stuck with 480p since the PS3 can't upconvert a 720p game to 1080i.

Rumors are they'll fix it with an update in March. But that would mean a software scaler which will likely slow down games being upconverted. Unlike having a built in dedicated hardware scaler such as the 360.

[VW_Factor]

That is because PS3 supports it, but doesn't decode it. You will need a TrueHD capable reciever for that.

So its just a pass-through mechanism?

[DeathKnight]

So its just a pass-through mechanism?

Pretty much. The PS3 lacks multichannel outputs. I don't know of many people who actually have receivers which can accept TrueHD or lossless PCM over HDMI let alone have HDMI, and I haven't seen a lot of buzz for any upcoming receivers that do support it.

The PS3 does convert Blu-Ray movies to 480i/480p/720p/and 1080i. It's handled in software (by Cell and maybe the RSX). The scaling issue is with games, not Blu-Ray movies.

[Clockwork]

The PS3 does convert Blu-Ray movies to 480i/480p/720p/and 1080i. It's handled in software (by Cell and maybe the RSX). The scaling issue is with games, not Blu-Ray movies.

That's not exactly correct. It won't display Bluray movies in 720p.


Also, reading AVS forum I see indication that the PS3 does decode Dolby TrueHD. Unless they are all a bunch of liars? Although you are correct, it will only output via HDMI.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=732868&highlight=ps3+truehd

The PS3 can decode up to 7.1 channel Dolby TrueHD into PCM, which can than be transferred over HDMI 1.1 and above. It can not decode DTS-HD, or DTS-HD MA, but it probably can transfer their bitstreams to a HDMI 1.3 AV receiver.

See above. TrueHD and DTS HD (not HDMA) decoded as LPCM does not need HDMI 1.3. Just needs a receiver that can receive 5.1 or 7.1 LPCM via HDMI 1.2 which costs about US$250 the cheapest

http://investor.dolby.com/ReleaseDetail.cfm?ReleaseID=211947

Dolby also made a press release.

So what is the real answer??

[DeathKnight]

Really now... I could have sworn it didn't have any scaling issues with Blu-Ray movies. Hmmm.

[Clockwork]

Really now... I could have sworn it didn't have any scaling issues with Blu-Ray movies. Hmmm.

Well see this is the thing I hate about this place.

Everyone here is a damn pretend expert.


Every time someone makes a damn post they act as though it is completely factual (positive or negative) and usually it ends up being FUD.

From now on people should start saying "I think" or maybe add a "?" to the end of whatever they are saying.

Oh, and DeathKnight..this isn't really directed at you. But just a common trend I see in many threads as of late.

[painkiller]

It only has a downscaler only. Which means people with older HD sets(like alot of the rp-crt sets) that can only receive 1080i signal are stuck with 480p since the PS3 can't upconvert a 720p game to 1080i.

Rumors are they'll fix it with an update in March. But that would mean a software scaler which will likely slow down games being upconverted. Unlike having a built in dedicated hardware scaler such as the 360.

Or they might just add the hardware scaler, just like MS is now adding HDMI. Or they already have a scaler there, but it is not in use.

Most likely they don't have a scaler there and they will not use scaling for games. Most likely they will add scaling for DVDs as it can be easily done with software.

[painkiller]

So its just a pass-through mechanism?

Yep just like you get AC3 or DTS from optical or coaxial out and then decode it in the reciever. TrueHD is carried on HDMI instead of optical or coaxial.

EDIT: It can decode it to 7.1 or 5.1 PCM stream which are transferred to your reciever by HDMI and you will need a reciever which can accept 7.1 or 5.1 PCM

[Clockwork]

Yep just like you get AC3 or DTS from optical or coaxial out and then decode it in the reciever. TrueHD is carried on HDMI instead of optical or coaxial.

Did you even read wtf I posted above?

What's your response to that?

[Martin3]

Or they might just add the hardware scaler, just like MS is now adding HDMI. Or they already have a scaler there, but it is not in use.

Most likely they don't have a scaler there and they will not use scaling for games. Most likely they will add scaling for DVDs as it can be easily done with software.

Updating the hardware this early would be very bad for the image of both Sony and the PS3. They need an upscaler for games as not all games are 1080. Resistance for example is a 720p game. Those with sets that don't have 720p support like I mentioned in my other post are stuck playing it at 480p.

[Clockwork]

Yep just like you get AC3 or DTS from optical or coaxial out and then decode it in the reciever. TrueHD is carried on HDMI instead of optical or coaxial.

To clarify...

What I posted would then mean it is not jusat a pass through. It would mean any receiver with HDMI 1.2 that can accept the PCM signal would be able to output the audio. THe receiver would NOT need to have a TrueHD decoder, as it is already BEING DECODED by the PS3.

This contradicts what both you and DeathKnight stated.

[painkiller]

Did you even read wtf I posted above?

What's your response to that?

Ah that is a bit misleading you will still need a reciever that accepts 5.1 or 7.1 LPCM. Tough those are not rare to find nowadays. So this is not like you would get separate 7.1 analog outputs from the back of PS3 you will always need a reciever that can handle the 7.1 or 5.1 LPCM

But yea in a sense I was wrong. It can decode it, but it doesn't decode it to analog outputs.

To clarify...

What I posted would then mean it is not jusat a pass through. It would mean any receiver with HDMI 1.2 that can accept the PCM signal would be able to output the audio. THe receiver would NOT need to have a TrueHD decoder, as it is already BEING DECODED by the PS3.

This contradicts what both you and DeathKnight stated.

WTF I'm too tired So yes I do agree with you, I was wrong.

[gts007]

And now DVD format fanboys?!?!? WTF? x2

no kidding

[TheFugle]

Sony has burned my ass one too many times with their BS... Buying a BDP will be the last thing I do on this planet. I will be 80 years old playing the same DVD/VHS tapes if I have to long after BDPs pwn the world.

Which is highly unlikely btw