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    The Hospital is saying he didnt die......



    Who do we believe????
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      If it's between the Chinese state run media and CNN? You got me, they are both questionable.

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        Originally posted by the_sextein View Post
        RIP Li Wenliang. He was only 34.

        I had the flu last week and it sucked. I can't imagine the pain he must have went through. Getting sick to the point of death while Being attacked by his own government and fearing for the well being of his family because he tried to act responsibly and save lives. That is truly depressing to see.
        34 and looked to be in good health and a doctor and died of this " nothing to worry about virus "


        something is hinky .

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          So the official counter thingy hasn't been updated since 9am...looks like the Chinese government clamp down has begun...no more updates I guess.

          https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/a...23467b48e9ecf6 for reference.
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            https://qz.com/1798077/wuhan-virus-c...YPL&yptr=yahoo

            Part of the report:

            Did you see any of the dead yourself?

            There was a video that showed three dead bodies lying in a Wuhan hospital’s corridors circulating widely online before. I was told by some nurses in a local hospital that the video was true. The nurses also said this situation was because the local funeral homes did not have the capacity to transfer all those bodies. I have seen bodies many times during the past days, which makes me feel emotional. I saw two dead bodies at a hospital, one was lying in the corridor, and one was in an emergency room being wrapped up by nurses… I could not take a close shot of them because that would be disrespectful to the deceased. It is not unusual for bodies to be seen in hospitals, but the fact they were left there for a long time means it is an abnormal situation. The fact the bodies were lying there means even funeral homes are struggling to deal with the number of bodies waiting to be picked up.
            “Are you at all concerned, as Trump said, that we cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself?” Haines asked.

            Biden noted in his reply that the COVID-19 cure “will make the problem worse, no matter what.”

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              Wuhan is told to round up infected residents for mass quarantine camps.

              A senior Chinese official has ordered the authorities in the city of Wuhan to immediately round up all residents who have been infected with the coronavirus and place them in isolation, quarantine or designated hospitals.

              Sun Chunlan, a vice premier tasked with leading the central government’s response to the outbreak, said city investigators should go to each home to check the temperatures of every resident and interview infected patients’ close contacts.

              “Set up a 24-hour duty system. During these wartime conditions, there must be no deserters, or they will be nailed to the pillar of historical shame forever,” Ms. Sun said.
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                Originally posted by xCLAVEx View Post
                So the official counter thingy hasn't been updated since 9am...looks like the Chinese government clamp down has begun...no more updates I guess.

                https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/a...23467b48e9ecf6 for reference.
                China isn't the author of that GIS database page. John Hopkins University is. It doesn't seem unreasonable that they would update once a day (maybe twice). Reports from health services would be tallied at the end of the day, not real time.
                Last edited by Koenig; Feb 6, 2020, 01:07 PM.
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                  Originally posted by Koenig View Post
                  China isn't the author of that GIS database page. John Hopkins University is. It doesn't seem unreasonable that they would update once a day (maybe twice). Reports from health services would be tallied at the end of the day, not real time.
                  This is the first time it has not been updated in almost 2 weeks. I've only just posted this recently but have been monitoring it for that amount of time. It was updated three times a day until today when it has not been updated since 9am. I will continue to check it for a few more days, but it will be more than telling if by tomorrow morning it hasn't been updated then it will likely be because there is no further data...
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                    Originally posted by xCLAVEx View Post
                    This is the first time it has not been updated in almost 2 weeks. I've only just posted this recently but have been monitoring it for that amount of time. It was updated three times a day until today when it has not been updated since 9am. I will continue to check it for a few more days, but it will be more than telling if by tomorrow morning it hasn't been updated then it will likely be because there is no further data...
                    The data sources for that GIS page are coming from 5 different agencies: WHO, CDC, European Center for Disease, and two Chinese Agencies (National Health Commission & DingXiangYuan). If China really clamps down on the info, you'll hear from the first three agencies.
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                      a plane brought some canadians from wuhan to a base in ontario. they're gonna be in quarantine for 2 weeks.
                      Originally posted by KAC
                      Gays if I had boyfriends your mums wouldn’t have produced your sorry asses.

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                        Originally posted by bob saget View Post
                        a plane brought some canadians from wuhan to a base in ontario. they're gonna be in quarantine for 2 weeks.
                        And 250 are being brought to a San Antonio airbase also for some reason.
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                          Lackland AFB has a section being used as a quarantine zone.
                          Originally posted by curio
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                            Originally posted by xCLAVEx View Post
                            And 250 are being brought to a San Antonio airbase also for some reason.
                            the initial canadian plane couldnt fit all the people, so they grabbed an american plane too.
                            Originally posted by KAC
                            Gays if I had boyfriends your mums wouldn’t have produced your sorry asses.

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                              Originally posted by Nunz View Post
                              Lackland AFB has a section being used as a quarantine zone.
                              You in McGuire AFB? You guys are a quarantine spot now too.

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                                Originally posted by xCLAVEx View Post
                                And 250 are being brought to a San Antonio airbase also for some reason.

                                Public airports with other traffic probably make a nasty place to try and quarantine folks. Military airports probably have some space to process/house them as well (even if it's just unused warehouse space or whatnot) and are going to be secure.






                                Even if put immediately in quarantine, it's probably nice for the people to be out of China and with a realistic timeframe of when they can actually go home.
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                                  Originally posted by logical View Post
                                  You in McGuire AFB? You guys are a quarantine spot now too.
                                  Not officially yet. We haven't had any notification but it's a rumor we might be.

                                  Don't care even if we are. There's sections of this base that haven't been used in decades. They'll just put them there. The hospital and medgroup on base are absolutely atrocious so if they are supposed to be the ones serving these guys they're all dead anyway
                                  Originally posted by curio
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                                    yep...just the flu...





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                                      Originally posted by Nunz View Post
                                      Not officially yet. We haven't had any notification but it's a rumor we might be.

                                      Don't care even if we are. There's sections of this base that haven't been used in decades. They'll just put them there. The hospital and medgroup on base are absolutely atrocious so if they are supposed to be the ones serving these guys they're all dead anyway




                                      Saw it yesterday on my facebook as friends and family still live near the base.


                                      Edit: Damn theyre casing people? lol


                                      Im not sure how I should feel because they are trying to stop the spread of the disease(and the lady has got a suitcase too shes ready to flee and spread that bitch if shes got it)


                                      On the other hand we are still dealing with humans and emotions.

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                                        Was updated again; now at 638 officially. The updates have slowed, but not stopped yet.
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                                          Got this update this morning:

                                          DOD Statement - Flight Evacuations
                                          Feb. 6, 2020

                                          In support of Health and Human Services (HHS) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the Department of Defense is prepared to receive two Department of State chartered evacuation flights from Wuhan, China currently scheduled to arrive on February 7th.

                                          The initial flights have departed China for the United States with approximately 300 passengers on board. One of the aircraft will refuel at Travis Air Force Base and continue on to Omaha, Nebraska via Lackland Air Force Base. The other aircraft is en route to Marine Corps Air Station Miramar via Vancouver, Canada.

                                          As previously announced, these individuals will be subject to a CDC managed 14-day quarantine.

                                          DOD will work closely with our interagency partners and continue to provide support to the situation as requested.
                                          “Are you at all concerned, as Trump said, that we cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself?” Haines asked.

                                          Biden noted in his reply that the COVID-19 cure “will make the problem worse, no matter what.”

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                                            Yeah got a notification about what's going to be happening at JBMDL.

                                            lol
                                            Originally posted by curio
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                                              It is at 910 confirmed deaths now. Will probably hit 1000 after today.
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                                                Heard basically the same, a bit higher #s but by EOD today would be just over 1K dead and 40K infected. So sad.

                                                No official CDC, DHS or DOD updates over the weekend so waiting on the Monday update. Those numbers where on the radio this morning on the way in to work. A news break between car crashes on i94/i90 lol
                                                “Are you at all concerned, as Trump said, that we cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself?” Haines asked.

                                                Biden noted in his reply that the COVID-19 cure “will make the problem worse, no matter what.”

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                                                  Large amounts of sulfur dioxide clusters in China is raising speculation of China burning piles of bodies. | Source: DALE DE LA REY / AFP

                                                  Evidence suggests that crematoriums are running 24×7 and burning thousands of infected dead bodies in a day.
                                                  Data has suggested a massive amount of sulfur dioxide is being released into the air. Sulfur concentration is especially high around Wuhan and Chongquing, the cities most affected by the Wuhan coronavirus.
                                                  The massive release could be because of the crematoriums burning dead bodies en masse on the outskirts of the cities.
                                                  Evidence suggesting that the Chinese government is hiding the actual severity of the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak is piling up. Every estimate, whistleblower, and unconfirmed report suggest the actual number of coronavirus casualties is much higher than what the official data says.

                                                  Just last week exiled Chinese billionaire Guo Wengui claimed that the total coronavirus casualties are well over 50,000.

                                                  Large amounts of sulfur dioxide clusters in China is raising speculation of China burning piles of bodies. | Source: DALE DE LA REY / AFP

                                                  Evidence suggests that crematoriums are running 24×7 and burning thousands of infected dead bodies in a day.
                                                  Data has suggested a massive amount of sulfur dioxide is being released into the air. Sulfur concentration is especially high around Wuhan and Chongquing, the cities most affected by the Wuhan coronavirus.
                                                  The massive release could be because of the crematoriums burning dead bodies en masse on the outskirts of the cities.
                                                  Evidence suggesting that the Chinese government is hiding the actual severity of the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak is piling up. Every estimate, whistleblower, and unconfirmed report suggest the actual number of coronavirus casualties is much higher than what the official data says.

                                                  Just last week exiled Chinese billionaire Guo Wengui claimed that the total coronavirus casualties are well over 50,000.

                                                  This number was his estimation based on the number of bodies China’s crematoriums are burning every day. Data has surfaced recently to suggest Wengui’s estimate may be correct.

                                                  Rising Sulfur Dioxide Levels Point To Overworked Crematoriums
                                                  A heatmap taken from Windy shows a tremendous amount of sulfur dioxide levels in air around mainland China.

                                                  The dark spots indicate a higher concentration of sulfur dioxide. | Source: Windy
                                                  Rising sulfur levels indicate a release of organic matter in the air, as a Twitter user pointed out.



                                                  Massive amount of sulfur dioxide is being released in Wuhan. | Source: Twitter
                                                  Ideally, there could be several reasons behind the sudden spike. Nuclear plants, garbage, and animal carcass burning or the industrial areas could all be responsible.

                                                  But, the elevated levels of almost 1400 ug/m^3 could point towards mass crematoriums running overtime in these areas. For context, 80 ug/m^3 level is usually considered dangerously high.

                                                  Next in line was Chongquing, a megacity in southwestern China, with 800 ug/m^3. Coincidentally, Chongquing has also been severely affected by the coronavirus outbreak.

                                                  Chongqing has also witnessed a significant rise in sulfur dioxide levels. | Source: Twitter
                                                  The Chinese government has shut down many major factories, coal-fuelled power plants, and manufacturing to curb the coronavirus outbreak. So there is little chance that they could be responsible for the rising levels.

                                                  And if you compare the levels to other parts of the world, where these plants are operational, the stark contrast is apparent.

                                                  China is glittering with spots of massive sulfur dioxide release. | Source: Twitter
                                                  Due to the massive rise in sulfur levels, thick smog has blanketed the city of Wuhan. Reports suggest that this smog is coming from the crematoriums on the outskirts of the city.

                                                  https://www.ccn.com/coronavirus-deat...fected-bodies/
                                                  Unconfirmed of course, but worth keeping a mental note on...
                                                  Last edited by xCLAVEx; Feb 10, 2020, 08:31 AM.
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                                                    Home after a couple weeks in some hot zones. Hopefully no trips for a few weeks.
                                                    RIP Roxen, you will be missed.

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                                                      Originally posted by Athena View Post
                                                      https://qz.com/1798077/wuhan-virus-c...YPL&yptr=yahoo

                                                      Part of the report:

                                                      Did you see any of the dead yourself?

                                                      There was a video that showed three dead bodies lying in a Wuhan hospital’s corridors circulating widely online before. I was told by some nurses in a local hospital that the video was true. The nurses also said this situation was because the local funeral homes did not have the capacity to transfer all those bodies. I have seen bodies many times during the past days, which makes me feel emotional. I saw two dead bodies at a hospital, one was lying in the corridor, and one was in an emergency room being wrapped up by nurses… I could not take a close shot of them because that would be disrespectful to the deceased. It is not unusual for bodies to be seen in hospitals, but the fact they were left there for a long time means it is an abnormal situation. The fact the bodies were lying there means even funeral homes are struggling to deal with the number of bodies waiting to be picked up.
                                                      Looks like this guy has been ghosted:

                                                      https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-c...154637367.html
                                                      “Are you at all concerned, as Trump said, that we cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself?” Haines asked.

                                                      Biden noted in his reply that the COVID-19 cure “will make the problem worse, no matter what.”

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                                                        Originally posted by xCLAVEx View Post
                                                        Unconfirmed of course, but worth keeping a mental note on...
                                                        That's seriously messed up if true..

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                                                          Common guys, we don't need bullshit information being circulated.

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                                                            Originally posted by AllexxisF1 View Post
                                                            Common guys, we don't need bullshit information being circulated.
                                                            It's complete BS.

                                                            That article mentions Chongquing as being the 2nd most affected city after Wuhan and yet the GIS page that Clave posted earlier shows Guangdong being second. In fact, Chongquing is number 9 with 473 cases compared to Wuhan's 29,631 cases and Guangdong's 1,159 cases (which is a smaller blip on the SO2 heat map).

                                                            Plus the guy doesnt even show previous data for comparison.
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                                                              Perhaps this is more to Koenigs liking;

                                                              The real number of coronavirus cases is more than 75,000, according to a scientific model that says the outbreak will double in size every 6.4 days.



                                                              The true number of people infected with the deadly Wuhan coronavirus is more than 75,000, according to a scientific model, which claims the official number for those infected is far too low.

                                                              Academics at the University of Hong Kong published a paper on Friday in The Lancet, a prestigious medical journal, estimating the rate at which the virus is spreading.

                                                              It used official data on the number of infections to calculate what it said was the true extent of the disease — almost 100 times the official figures.

                                                              Underpinning the analysis is the idea that the number of international cases is disproportionately high given the number of people who travel from Wuhan to other countries.

                                                              The academics used the international figures to reverse-engineer a total for the number of cases among greater Wuhan's population of around 19 million.

                                                              They said that, as of January 25, they estimated that the number of cases was 75,815.

                                                              According to CNN, the official total on January 25 for the whole of Hubei province, which includes greater Wuhan, was 761, barely 1% of the total projected by the scientists.

                                                              The paper is not the first to suggest that the official figures do not adequately capture the scope of the outbreak. A paper from Imperial College London published on January 17 suggested that the figures were too low by a factor of 35.

                                                              As part of their model, the Hong Kong academics predicted that the scale of the virus would double every 6.4 days. By that logic, the number of people in greater Wuhan with the virus as of this Friday (January 31) would be 151,630.

                                                              The official number of cases on January 31 was less than 10,000. The number increased to around 12,000 as of February 1 local time.

                                                              The authors of the study said they had taken into account the effect of the dramatic lockdown imposed on Wuhan and surrounding cities last week.

                                                              However, they said that its overall effectiveness would be "negligible" given that a critical mass of cases had already been observed in several other cities.

                                                              In a meeting on Thursday, the World Health Organization declared the coronavirus outbreak a global health emergency.

                                                              On Friday, the US government announced a ban on any foreigner entering the country within 14 days of being in mainland China. It said US citizens would be allowed to enter but placed in quarantine.
                                                              Their model makes more sense than what we are being told. It is important to keep an open mind here folks as the low numbers we are being told just does not make sense. Keep in mind this was back in January.
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                                                                You do know what a model is right?

                                                                I don't know why you are so intent on skating around some kind of conspiracy.
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                                                                  i don't think i would trust anything out of china on this or most anything





                                                                  I looked like that when i had my heart attack and was in a induced coma

                                                                  yeah nothing to worry about here ....... move along move along

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                                                                    I agree it's way higher than 40k. You really think every case in mainland China is being recorded?

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                                                                      Originally posted by Koenig View Post
                                                                      You do know what a model is right?

                                                                      I don't know why you are so intent on skating around some kind of conspiracy.
                                                                      I'm talking about keeping an open mind. Claiming that these are the exact numbers and trusting that the Chinese government is telling us the whole truth is naive at best. They have everything to gain by keeping the real numbers out of the public as their economy is already taking a hit just based on what has been released. Simple logic and common sense can go a long way here...
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                                                                        Originally posted by switchAMG View Post
                                                                        I agree it's way higher than 40k. You really think every case in mainland China is being recorded?

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                                                                        Exactly. We may not know the exact numbers, but they have to be higher than what we are being spoon fed.
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                                                                          I have 3 mainlanders on my team -- they live in Canada now but all three say 40k is laughable. China is so dense in any city things like this spread like wildfire and it's bad press...so these numbers are ultra conservative.

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                                                                            Originally posted by switchAMG View Post
                                                                            I agree it's way higher than 40k. You really think every case in mainland China is being recorded?

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                                                                            I agree it may be higher but what Clave isnt telling you is that he believes the death count is already 100k+. The two of us have already discussed this outside of Rage but he is taking any fringe story and giving it more credence than trustworthy agencies.
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                                                                              Official death toll is now over 1000.

                                                                              The Hubei health authority reported that 103 more people died of the coronavirus in Hubei province on Monday, raising the death toll in the epidemic's epicenter to 974.
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                                                                                Keonig likes to bring private conversations and make them public (I will take this into consideration for any further conversations) so let me set this record straight; that is a lie and not what I said and I would appreciate it if you didn't assume what people are thinking. What I actually said was I believe over 100k are infected but I do believe the actual dead are much higher, but not in the 100k range. Learn to comprehend what you read and not what you think you read.
                                                                                Last edited by xCLAVEx; Feb 10, 2020, 05:06 PM.
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                                                                                  I'm sorry. You were right. I got the numbers wrong. It was 100k+ infected and 24k-25k dead.
                                                                                  Blah!

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