Official Thread: Coronavirus "COVID-19"

[JZL]

Condolences, Lazy8.

Slashdot reporting Cali 's shelter-in-place orders have saved residents a billion dollars in auto collision, injury, and fatality costs. Invest your stimulus check in State Farm stock?

[Koenig]

Condolences, Lazy8.

Slashdot reporting Cali 's shelter-in-place orders have saved residents a billion dollars in auto collision, injury, and fatality costs. Invest your stimulus check in State Farm stock?

Hmm, odd. Other states like my state (Florida) are reporting that car accidents and fatalities have not dropped. There are less people on the road but they are driving a bit faster/more dangerously due to the decrease in traffic.

[Cyko]

I was notified of my cousin's death due to C-19 today. LPN.

My town is under curfew now as well. It's beginning to feel just a bit Orwellian lol.

Late to the party (as always), but my condolences homie. Hope you’re doing ok, and staying sane though all this nonsense.

[dodger]

Hmm, odd. Other states like my state (Florida) are reporting that car accidents and fatalities have not dropped. There are less people on the road but they are driving a bit faster/more dangerously due to the decrease in traffic.

That may be but I got a credit on my auto insurance and I'm not the only one:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/some-auto-insurers-are-giving-refunds-because-of-the-coronavirus-outbeak-heres-how-you-can-get-a-break-too-2020-04-09

So there must be some savings going on else why the give back (the tune of 2 Billion in aggregate according to the article subheader.)

[xCLAVEx]

meanwhile in hong kong

https://www.france24.com/en/20200418-hong-kong-activists-arrested-over-last-year-s-democracy-rallies-1

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/op...083726463.html

Five months earlier, the Nigerian student had moved to Guangzhou, southern China, to study computing at Guangdong university. He had just paid his university fees for the new semester when his landlord informed him that he needed to leave.

He scrambled to pack his belongings. The police were waiting for him and his roommates outside.

'In hiding'
When he attempted to drop off his bags at a friend's warehouse, he was prevented from entering. He spent several nights sleeping on the streets.

"Look how they are treating us, how they forced us out of our houses and forced us to self-quarantine," he told the BBC from a hotel in the city.

"They told me that the [test] result is out and I am negative. Still they don't want me to go out."

African community leaders in Guangzhou believe the vast majority of the city's African population have been forced into quarantine or are sleeping on the streets.

"Some are in hiding," said one community leader over an encrypted social media app.

In early April, online rumours began to circulate that parts of the city where Africans live and trade were under lockdown after two Nigerians who had tested positive for the virus escaped. Chinese media reported that a Nigerian patient had attacked a Chinese nurse.

The health commission began widespread testing of African nationals.

The local authority says it has tested every African national in the city for the coronavirus. It found that 111 of the more than 4,500 Africans in Guangzhou tested positive.

"They just came with their ambulance and medical team and took us. All they said was that it was Chinese law and an order from the government," said Hao*, a businessman from Ivory Coast.

Businesses in Guangzhou, including in the area popular with Africans, have been shut because of coronavirus fears
Guangzhou has become a hub for Africans in China.

Towards the end of the century's first decade, hundreds of thousands were thought to live in the city. Many of them entering the country on short-term visas to buy goods from nearby factories and send them back to the continent.

By some estimates there were more than 200,000 dwelling in the city. Some settled for the long term. Many overstayed their visas.

'Africans friendly with locals'
In recent years, the numbers have dwindled. Businessmen have complained of unfair visa restrictions and unfair treatment. In 2018, small hotels in Xiao Bei Lu, a popular area for African traders, temporarily turned away Africans from several nations, they told the BBC.

"Most of the Africans living there are nice and friendly with the locals, and they are doing business as normal for the past years," said one Guangzhou resident who did not want to be named.

"If there is a problem, it may be that some Africans are overstaying and doing some illegal things.

"The conflict over the virus test, I think it is something of a misunderstanding. It is not about racial discrimination. That's not the style of the Guangzhou people," he said.

"People are not hostile to Africans in their mind, unless some Africans are doing things against the local rules," he added.

The Chinese government dismissed claims of racism, insisting China and Africa are friends, partners and brothers and that it has zero tolerance to racism.

But many of those the BBC spoke to say they have been singled out because of their race.

"Ninety-eight per cent of Africans are in quarantine," said one community leader who did not want to be named.

Africans across China say they are facing increased scrutiny. On the deserted campus of Wuhan University African faces outnumber Chinese.

"We are the ones that are left behind," says Michael Addaney a Ghanaian graduate student studying in the Chinese city where coronavirus was first detected.

For more than two months he has waged a social media campaign demanding his government bring his countrymen and women home.


Things started to get back to normal as the lockdown in Wuhan ended on 8 April. At the height of the outbreak, an estimated 5,000 African students were stranded in Wuhan and neighbouring cities, after most sub-Saharan nations failed to evacuate their citizens.

"We feel like sacrificial lambs for no reason. The plan was to keep the people safe by sacrificing us," asked one student who did not want to be named.

"What was the point as our countries didn't put measures in place to protect the people from the virus?"

When Wuhan officially ended its lockdown on 8 April, normality began to creep back into the city.

More than a week on, African students on campuses remain unable to leave the grounds of the university. They have no information of when their own lockdown will be lifted.

Part of the area has become known as Little Africa, because of the large number of Africans who live and work there
Back in Guangzhou, a student from Sierra Leone said she believed Africans were being singled out.

"All of this is happening because there has been a rise in foreign imported cases, [but] the majority are from Chinese nationals," she said.

"Only a small percentage is made up of Africans."

She received a letter from her university stating that all Africans needed to be tested. Despite being tested twice she remains in quarantine.

'Others not treated like this'
"With all this happening, the Chinese have exhibited racism and discrimination against black people here in Guangzhou.

"I know people from my church who are white and non-Africans who are not going through what we are going through - quarantine and multiple testing," she said.

"Quarantine hotels are like forced detention for blacks."

A Nigerian businessman under quarantine said that "it was the police that removed me from my apartment and put me on the streets".

"I don't have any problem with my landlord. He didn't even know I had been evicted. My children slept on the streets for many days."

On social media, hundreds of Africans in Guangzhou have organised groups supplying each other with regular updates. They send photos of numerous hotels and hospitals where businessmen, residents and students are being held across the city.

Some post test results showing that they are negative. Others post medical and hotel bills that they say they cannot afford to pay. Videos of Africans sleeping on the streets have gone viral.

The Guangdong government has publicised a hotline for "foreigners who experience discrimination". But for those in quarantine, suspicions remain high. Videos continue to circulate online of Africans being moved between hotels by ambulance.

Xiao Bei Lu is known as "China's little Africa" but social media videos show that its streets, at one time packed with African traders, are now deserted.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-52309414

Also in China...

[Lazy8s]

sorry to hear about your cousin

So sorry to hear that, Lazy8s.

I was talking to a guy in the grocery store the other day (6 ft apart, of course) and he was saying "I don't personally know anyone who has the virus or knows someone else who has it. I think it's all a hoax."

I have never wanted to punch someone more than I did right then. I almost asked him what his opinion was on vaccines and climate change, but then I took a look at my signature and reminded myself that sometimes the most loving thing you can do for someone is to remain quiet.

Ouch, sorry for your loss. Haven't heard anyone immediate die from this thing yet. Seeing those pictures of that FL beach that re-opened doesn't give me a lot of hope though I've heard people were better behaved on day 2.

Damn I do not know why but I only saw the second phrase...

My sympathies Lazy8

Condolences, Lazy8.

Slashdot reporting Cali 's shelter-in-place orders have saved residents a billion dollars in auto collision, injury, and fatality costs. Invest your stimulus check in State Farm stock?

Late to the party (as always), but my condolences homie. Hope you’re doing ok, and staying sane though all this nonsense.

Thanks guys, appreciate ya'll.

I hope everyone is staying as serious as possible about this. They're now saying Massachusetts is a pretty hot area and we believe it.

My niece just tested positive. She's also a nurse. She's young and in excellent health so fingers crossed

[KAC]

Just saw this. Sorry to hear that Lazy.

[acroig]

I was talking to a guy in the grocery store the other day (6 ft apart, of course) and he was saying "I don't personally know anyone who has the virus or knows someone else who has it. I think it's all a hoax."

I have never wanted to punch someone more than I did right then. I almost asked him what his opinion was on vaccines and climate change, but then I took a look at my signature and reminded myself that sometimes the most loving thing you can do for someone is to remain quiet.

So many idiots out there....

[acroig]

My niece just tested positive. She's also a nurse. She's young and in excellent health so fingers crossed

Hopefully she'll have very mild symptoms, if any.

[Jasef]

It's not that bad. Because of asymptomatic, they need 14 days to figure out who has it.

After that, it can restart. Most places see declines now, except the black hole
that is China and Sweden.

Sweden will have an interesting choice coming soon...

Ffs goa, there are places far worse off then Sweden, and the numbers of deaths has gone down for about a week now.
I'm sorry that our relaxed quarantine isn't killing enough people, but it really seems we are not that much worse off then many others. And this isn't me defending the strategy being applied over here since I am in no position to judge, but it's tiresome seeing obvious falsehoods being constantly spread around.

[acroig]

I'm sorry that our relaxed quarantine isn't killing enough people, but it really seems we are not that much worse off then many others. And this isn't me defending the strategy being applied over here since I am in no position to judge, but it's tiresome seeing obvious falsehoods being constantly spread around.

So no worries this could be running amok or the Swedes could spread the virus anywhere they go?

Not judging, just wanting to know how Swedes are figuring this.

[Jasef]

So no worries this could be running amok or the Swedes could spread the virus anywhere they go?

Not judging, just wanting to know how Swedes are figuring this.

Should anyone not be worried about that? Maybe Im just not geting what kind of answer you are looking for. But I don't believe any country will be completly rid of the virus, so I don't fully understand how that would be a specific issue to Sweden.
The uk, France, belgium and several others have more deaths per capita. Do they have to answer the same kind of questions?

[acroig]

Should anyone not be worried about that? Maybe Im just not geting what kind of answer you are looking for. But I don't believe any country will be completly rid of the virus, so I don't fully understand how that would be a specific issue to Sweden.
The uk, France, belgium and several others have more deaths per capita. Do they have to answer the same kind of questions?

Perhaps I'm not being clear.

Other countries think that the way to stop the spread of the virus is to shut down and quarantine the population. Clearly Sweden does not and seeing how there's no vaccine for this crap yet how does Sweden's approach help stop the spread of the virus?

There's a feeling by some here in the USA that quarantine is not the answer.

Once thing I noticed is that your healthcare system is much better than ours:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-19/sweden-says-controversial-covid-19-strategy-is-proving-effective

[Jasef]

Perhaps I'm not being clear.

Other countries think that the way to stop the spread of the virus is to shut down and quarantine the population. Clearly Sweden does not and seeing how there's no vaccine for this crap yet how does Sweden's approach help stop the spread of the virus?

There's a feeling by some here in the USA that quarantine is not the answer.

I'm not sure I'll be able to give you a very good answer. There are measurs here being taken to slow down the spread of the virus and keep high risk groups away from it as much as possible. I don't think completly stopping the spread is even possible, so the goal here is to keep the spread slow enough to give the health care a chance to treat infected people without being overwhelmed, and at the same time not do too much damage to the society overall, because who knows what effects that will have in the future.

It seems to work ok over here, but maybe the same tactic would be devastating somewhere else. And I guess theres hope for some kind of herd immunity eventually, but who knows.

Again, I don't pretend to know what the right thing to do is, but pretending like Sweden is worse off then it is is not helping anyone.

[acroig]

It seems to work ok over here, but maybe the same tactic would be devastating somewhere else. And I guess theres hope for some kind of herd immunity eventually, but who knows.

Again, I don't pretend to know what the right thing to do is, but pretending like Sweden is worse off then it is is not helping anyone.

I was looking for your personal thoughts, thanks.

[Jasef]

I was looking for your personal thoughts, thanks.

I can say I am thankful we do not have a full lockdown here like in some places. I do terrible without social interaction. I would probably feel otherwise If I thought that would definitely stop the spread though.

[acroig]

I can say I am thankful we do not have a full lockdown here like in some places. I do terrible without social interaction. I would probably feel otherwise If I thought that would definitely stop the spread though.

Right, I was wondering if there was another way to contain this shite.

[Canesfan2020]

Perhaps I'm not being clear.

Other countries think that the way to stop the spread of the virus is to shut down and quarantine the population. Clearly Sweden does not and seeing how there's no vaccine for this crap yet how does Sweden's approach help stop the spread of the virus?

There's a feeling by some here in the USA that quarantine is not the answer.

Once thing I noticed is that your healthcare system is much better than ours:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ving-effective

Wouldn't one take population and density into account?

[dodger]

Perhaps I'm not being clear.

Other countries think that the way to stop the spread of the virus is to shut down and quarantine the population. Clearly Sweden does not and seeing how there's no vaccine for this crap yet how does Sweden's approach help stop the spread of the virus?

There's a feeling by some here in the USA that quarantine is not the answer.

Once thing I noticed is that your healthcare system is much better than ours:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ving-effective

I've been interested in how Sweden is going to fair as well. Some articles say that Swedes have an unusually high trust in their system. The healthcare system over there is almost totally divorced from politics which is why the healthcare minister is the public face of this instead of their head of state. Would love to see an in depth write up of results after this is all over between Sweden/Finland/Norway/Denmark.

Unfortunately I don't think any of that applies to the USA for reasons P&R. I mean people over there routinely leave infants outside of restaurants to not bother people eating for tens of minutes while over here you get charged with child abandonment for doing that.

[curio]

I was notified of my cousin's death due to C-19 today. LPN.

My town is under curfew now as well. It's beginning to feel just a bit Orwellian lol.

[koralis]

My niece just tested positive. She's also a nurse. She's young and in excellent health so fingers crossed

Mother in law is in a nursing home and tested positive. No symptoms after a week though, maybe she's one of the lucky asymptomatic ones? Time will tell. Some small-scale analysis I'd read about seems to imply that around 50% of infections are asymptomatic, and of the ones that aren't, a number have minor symptoms, so fair odds your niece will be ok. Best wishes to her and you.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/50-percent-of-people-with-covid19-not-aware-have-virus

Then a few days later, researchers in Iceland reported that 50 percent of their novel coronavirus cases who tested positive had no symptoms. The testing had been conducted by deCODE, a subsidiary of the U.S. Biotech company Amgen.
…
That report was backed up by a study
Trusted Source
published this week that concluded that people with no symptoms are the source of 44 percent of diagnosed COVID-19 cases.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-what-proportion-are-asymptomatic/

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/04/13/831883560/can-a-coronavirus-patient-who-isnt-showing-symptoms-infect-others

It's simply too soon to say. In one of the places where there has been extensive testing, the nursing home in Washington state, 56% of those who tested positive had no symptoms when they got tested. Aboard the Diamond Princess cruise ship docked in Japan, February data showed that up to 50% of the people who tested positive showed no symptoms at the time and that an estimated 18% remained asymptomatic.

[MasterGoa]

Interesting read on the preparation for opening up the Wuhan level 4 lab. PDF

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/25/5/18-0220_article

[MasterGoa]

Another point that helps Sweden is that population density greatly accelerates spread,
so even Stockholm is on the low side.

I really hope it will turn out well.

EDIT: Put in the right city

[bill dennison]

Interesting read on the preparation for opening up the Wuhan level 4 lab. PDF

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/25/5/18-0220_article

that lab deserves to be a minuteman 3 target .

won't happen but it does deserve it


world needs to tell China they are out of the bio lab business .

close them all in china

[acroig]

Wouldn't one take population and density into account?

Indeed but Sweden has several cities with large populations so there's something to look at.

I've been interested in how Sweden is going to fair as well. Some articles say that Swedes have an unusually high trust in their system. The healthcare system over there is almost totally divorced from politics which is why the healthcare minister is the public face of this instead of their head of state. Would love to see an in depth write up of results after this is all over between Sweden/Finland/Norway/Denmark.

So would I.

[shrike126]

that lab deserves to be a minuteman 3 target .

won't happen but it does deserve it


world needs to tell China they are out of the bio lab business .

close them all in china

So are we back to thinking it's a secret Chinese government lab project run amok? Or a consequence of the wet markets?

Whichever it is it's nothing a few nukes and bullets can't fix I guess. But then we want cheap stuff so that's a problem.

[bill dennison]

So are we back to thinking it's a secret Chinese government lab project run amok? Or a consequence of the wet markets?

Whichever it is it's nothing a few nukes and bullets can't fix I guess. But then we want cheap stuff so that's a problem.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/14/us-officials-raised-alarms-about-wuhan-coronaviruses-lab-in-2018/

sorry a lab leak in a poorly run lab in a city of 11.08 million is much more logical than bat soup
and i said it deserve it not that we would do it
the 11.08 million people in wuhan are not the problem just the lab

but then if the lab was isolated on a island with no Population we may not have this problem
so that shows how much china cares about the Population


......
and not me i try to buy all USA and nothing from china when i can't
stopped buying nike when they moved to china and went with north face
how about you

[NWR_Midnight]

https://nypost.com/2020/04/14/us-off...s-lab-in-2018/
sorry a lab leak in a poorly run lab in a city of 11.08 million is much more logical than bat soup
and i said it deserve it not that we would do it
the 11.08 million people in wuhan are not the problem just the lab

but then if the lab was isolated on a island with no Population we may not have this problem
so that shows how much china cares about the Population


......
and not me i try to buy all USA and nothing from china when i can't
stopped buying nike when they moved to china and went with north face
how about you

I suspect that we have many labs with deadly viruses around the USA and in high populated areas. Don't fool yourself. I'm not condoning that China's lab screwed up, but it's time you stop with the China hate thinking this was on purpose, and let reality sink in a little. The US could very well have a similar situation happen if mistakes are ever made in many of it's labs across the nation.

As for your North face.. they have a specific line that says American made, which does not necessarily mean it was made in the USA. Otherwise the majority of their product is also made in China. Also, when manufactures state "Made in the USA" Means that most if not all of it's material and manufacturing come from the US, but there is still room for it not all to be US origin. There is also assembled in the USA and Made in the USA, which are different. Saying Made in America doesn't always mean it is US made either, and is recommended to look at the fine print for where it was manufactured.

https://www.themadeinamericamovement.com/made-in-usa-certified/difference-between-assembled-made-in-usa/

[bill dennison]

I suspect that we have many labs with deadly viruses around the USA and in high populated areas. Don't fool yourself. I'm not condoning that China's lab screwed up, but it's time you stop with the China hate thinking this was on purpose, and let reality sink in a little. The US could very well have a similar situation happen if mistakes are ever made in many of it's labs across the nation.

As for your North face.. they have a specific line that says American made, otherwise the majority of their product is also made in China. Also, when manufactures state "Made in the USA" Means that most if not all of it's material and manufacturing come from the US, but there still can be materials that can only be required outside the USA that are used. There is also assembled in the USA and Made in the USA, which are different. Saying Made in America doesn't always mean it is US made either, and is recommended to look at the fine print for where it was manufacstured.


https://www.themadeinamericamovement...d-made-in-usa/

vietnam

anywhere but China .

and i started with this

https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/outbreaks-and-advisories/fda-investigates-animal-illnesses-linked-jerky-pet-treats

http://www.poisonedpets.com/alert-vets-warn-about-new-treats-from-china-poisoning-dogs/

when my sister lost a dog from it

[MasterGoa]

From what I gather, the species of bat that harbours the virus lives 100-200km from the wet market.

Unless someone took the time to bring that bat 1.5 hours drive to sell it, it seems improbable.

Interesting fact I got from Chinese friends: When you travel by air, there are two
disembarkation alleys, one special for travellers from Wuhan but also 5 other cities.

[NWR_Midnight]

vietnam

anywhere but China .

and i started with this

https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/outbreaks-and-advisories/fda-investigates-animal-illnesses-linked-jerky-pet-treats

http://www.poisonedpets.com/alert-vets-warn-about-new-treats-from-china-poisoning-dogs/

when my sister lost a dog from it

You are correct, my mistake.. but what's the difference? Vietnam, India, they are all for the same reason manufactures use China, for cheap labor.

You said you Try to Buy USA then throw out an example that is made in Vietnam. That is not a product that is USA made. Also, can you guarantee that the products manufactured in Vietnam do not get any of their supplies from China?

Your dog treats are a perfect example of saying "American Made" not "Made in the USA" example of why wording matters.

[bill dennison]

You are correct, my mistake.. but what's the difference? Vietnam, India, they are all for the same reason manufactures use China, for cheap labor.

You said you Try to Buy USA then throw out an example that is made in Vietnam. That is not USA made.

you are right it is hard to find everything made here

we need to fix that

[Canesfan2020]

North Face moved away from their prior dealings? Their parent company still leaves things to be desired.

[NWR_Midnight]

you are right it is hard to find everything made here

we need to fix that

You are missing my point (or maybe not). You said you Try to buy USA made when possible, then us North face as an example... That is not USA Made.. that's all I was tryin to get you to realize. Choose a better example next time, that fits, if you want to ask "How about You" after your throw up a not made in USA example.

You are right about needing to fix things so we have every product made in the USA, but we go full circle and end up with the same problem: We want cheap products.


EDIT: I should have just said from the start: "Why you use a not made in USA example?" Sorry, my brain just doesn't seem to work that way... till after the fact.

[Lazy8s]

Mother in law is in a nursing home and tested positive. No symptoms after a week though, maybe she's one of the lucky asymptomatic ones? Time will tell. Some small-scale analysis I'd read about seems to imply that around 50% of infections are asymptomatic, and of the ones that aren't, a number have minor symptoms, so fair odds your niece will be ok. Best wishes to her and you.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/50-percent-of-people-with-covid19-not-aware-have-virus

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-what-proportion-are-asymptomatic/

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...-infect-others

I almost missed this post - I sure hope you M-i-L recovers quickly koralis! And thanks for the info on that. This stuff is scary, so that's heartening to read.

[MasterGoa]

You are missing my point (or maybe not). You said you Try to buy USA made when possible, then us North face as an example... That is not USA Made.. that's all I was tryin to get you to realize. Choose a better example next time, that fits, if you want to ask "How about You" after your throw up a not made in USA example.

You are right about needing to fix things so we have every product made in the USA, but we go full circle and end up with the same problem: We want cheap products.


EDIT: I should have just said from the start: "Why you use a not made in USA example?" Sorry, my brain just doesn't seem to work that way... till after the fact.

Lemme tell you a story.

Back in 1999, I bought a condo. All furniture and I mean ALL, and all home appliance
are made in my Province with the exception of the dryer made in Ontario.

Fast forward to 2017, I would like to refresh my appliances but low and behold,
I can no longer buy an appliance, not made in my Province, but the whole
country.

Buying local has been my mantra for a long time, but nothing is made here
anymore...

Unless I want a Bell 222 or the landing gear of a 737...

And they just made trade deal and trade deal.

The TPP is an interesting one as we now have Thailand raised chickens
in a regional rotisserie chain. I have no idea what I eat anymore
and unless I go to the farmer directly, I have little ways to find out...

[Destroy]

Maybe a bit OT, but nice little tribute that can hopefully bring a little smile to those in need.
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[ice]

It is now mandatory in PA to wear a mask. Businesses will turn you away if you try to enter them and cops will write citations. I will be sitting at my desk tomorrow with a mask on all day.

[bill dennison]

It is now mandatory in PA to wear a mask. Businesses will turn you away if you try to enter them and cops will write citations. I will be sitting at my desk tomorrow with a mask on all day.

was out for a bike ride today and the two golf courses i ride by were open and looked like Disneyland in July and didn't see one mask
they can't drink in a mask and they would have to cut a big hole in it for their cigars anyway

[MasterGoa]

was out for a bike ride today and the two golf courses i ride by were open and looked like Disneyland in July and didn't see one mask
they can't drink in a mask and they would have to cut a big hole in it for their cigars anyway

Cuomo, Newsom and Trump are all talking about pent up demand so there you go.

Once things reopen, it's actually quite a simple concept to have markers on the ground 6 feet apart in stores.

In the long run, seasonal flu numbers will be reduced as well.