Official Thread: Coronavirus "COVID-19"

[acroig]

I'm glad it was only the flu for you Android1. Get healthy buddy.

Seconded.

[Android1]

Seconded.

Thank you!

[NWR_Midnight]

To be honest with you, there is a part of me that wishes that I had COVID-19. At least it would be over and done with. Now I can look forward to getting it after I recover from the flu (or even while I still have the flu).

What you said in your second paragraph is basically what the doctor told me. If my flu test had come back negative, I would have had to move forward under the assumption that I had COVID-19. Self-isolation, rest, drink plenty of fluids, etc., just as you said in one of your previous posts.



I do live in the United States, and I did ask for a coronavirus test. In fact, I was very clear about wanting one.

From what I understand, the clinic called their hospital (they are both part of one system), and the hospital called the state health department for their approval to have the test run at the state lab. The state health department denied their request. Please note that this was not an insurance denial. It did not even get to that point.

Who says you can't have both the flu and COVID-19? Hope that is not the case, and hope you have a speedy recover.

[bill dennison]

Thanks.

Yes, I did get the flu shot. I believe that the effectiveness of the vaccine against influenza A is 45% this year.

thanks

i got mine a week after i got over the flu in october

got it in the hospital taking my mom in for a heart ultrasound
she had hers already

[Nascar24]

its a chit show! Ran to the store on account I didn't have anything for the apocalypse! I could get everything but the chitter paper! The Isle was bare! The fools even bought up the sandpaper crap toilet paper! So I saw some older couple walking out with a chit ton of Kleenex.

[shrike126]

Trump just banned all travel from Europe to the U.S. for the next 30 days starting Friday midnight.

And Tom Hanks has tested positive. We cannot ****ing lose Tom Hanks. ****ing **** ****.

[bill dennison]

its a chit show! Ran to the store on account I didn't have anything for the apocalypse! I could get everything but the chitter paper! The Isle was bare! The fools even bought up the sandpaper crap toilet paper! So I saw some older couple walking out with a chit ton of Kleenex.

these times they call to us be manly

[DaJMasta]

Trump just banned all travel from Europe to the U.S. for the next 30 days starting Friday midnight.

Why not something that will actually have a measurable effect on the virus's spread?


We can still book a flight to South Korea and they had a larger outbreak for a longer time.

[bill dennison]

Trump just banned all travel from Europe to the U.S. for the next 30 days starting Friday midnight.

And Tom Hanks has tested positive. We cannot ****ing lose Tom Hanks. ****ing **** ****.

good

[shrike126]

good

Why Europe though and not Asia, Japan, South Korea, the Middle East, and other hot spots?

[bill dennison]

Why Europe though and not Asia, Japan, South Korea, the Middle East, and other hot spots?

true he should ban more but Italy is worse now
and the EU is border less

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashb...23467b48e9ecf6



i think it will end up all air travel outside the US will be banned

[shrike126]

true he should ban more but Italy is worse now
and the EU is border less

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashb...23467b48e9ecf6

Why ban travel at all? It's already all over the place here. We're turning away and not testing anyone unless they're already dying from it.

[DaJMasta]

true he should ban more but Italy is worse now

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashb...23467b48e9ecf6

But that's only been in the last week. South Korea's outbreak happened weeks ago, is still prevalent (though dramatic efforts to quarantine, notify, and test have been pretty effective), and we can still hop on a cheap flight and fly into or out of there with no issue?


A travel ban isn't a bad measure, a ban targeting Europe specifically really doesn't have any value. If you're still going to let people from the UK in, or from the middle east, or from known hotspots, you're plugging a hole in your boat while it fills with water from the other half of it being missing.

What the US needs now is government lead quarantine and testing efforts. In some limited capacity states and municipalities are doing this, but it would be much easier to implement and much easier to recover from financially (since all this closing is massive loss of business and income) if this was federally mandated and there was federal funding to ameliorate it.




I won't go any further into P&R, but this is a more a matter of epidemiology: quarantines work because people can't be trusted to quarantine themselves when they have symptoms, because people won't always notice or properly attribute symptoms, or because the disease can be communicable without any symptoms showing (I don't know if this is the case with COVID-19). A travel ban isn't really going to do anything with a thousand active cases internally.

[shrike126]

NBA is cancelled.

[Nascar24]

[KAC]

Wow, what measures has your workplace taken thus far?

[nutcrackr]

Utah Jazz player tested posted. NBA season suspended

I imagine trump blocked travel from Europe because the cases are accelerating there faster than any other place. I think most countries should be "shutting down" now.

[bill dennison]

But that's only been in the last week. South Korea's outbreak happened weeks ago, is still prevalent (though dramatic efforts to quarantine, notify, and test have been pretty effective), and we can still hop on a cheap flight and fly into or out of there with no issue?


A travel ban isn't a bad measure, a ban targeting Europe specifically really doesn't have any value. If you're still going to let people from the UK in, or from the middle east, or from known hotspots, you're plugging a hole in your boat while it fills with water from the other half of it being missing.

What the US needs now is government lead quarantine and testing efforts. In some limited capacity states and municipalities are doing this, but it would be much easier to implement and much easier to recover from financially (since all this closing is massive loss of business and income) if this was federally mandated and there was federal funding to ameliorate it.




I won't go any further into P&R, but this is a more a matter of epidemiology: quarantines work because people can't be trusted to quarantine themselves when they have symptoms, because people won't always notice or properly attribute symptoms, or because the disease can be communicable without any symptoms showing (I don't know if this is the case with COVID-19). A travel ban isn't really going to do anything with a thousand active cases internally.

states are supposed do it with fed backing

unless you want martial law

[SubCog]

So best forecasts now are settling in at a 0.6% mortality rate, and that somewhere between 40-70% of the population will be infected.

Assuming 50% of the human population gets infected, and 0.6% dies, that's just over 22 million deaths. That's a big number.

[shrike126]

states are supposed do it with fed backing



unless you want martial law

The states need CDC and FDA approved tests which no one has. So I don't know what we want the States to do.

If we want hourly employees to stop going to work if they're not feeling well, what is the plan for that?

[DaJMasta]

states are supposed do it with fed backing

unless you want martial law

Martial law is a specific thing that has been used to combat this virus but which hasn't been suggested in the US. It would only be necessary if people weren't complying with restrictions or weren't able to comply.


I'm talking CDC level, FEMA level, etc. The federal government has plenty of arms it can stretch to assist states, municipalities, or whoever, and it's not stepping up to the plate. If we want to keep the outbreak's size in the US in the low thousands, banning international travel to one region on flights at only 10% capacity is going to do nearly nothing, while declaring that there was going to be support from a federal level, diverting federal emergency funds, or even just calling on states and municipalities to act and to act decisively. Plenty of them are still waiting, are still hung up on details of how to implement things, or are ignoring it altogether because it hasn't shown up nearby. A little leadership and practical assurance from the top would go a long way to spur on action. Emphasizing hygiene and minimizing gatherings is a start, at least.

[NWR_Midnight]

So best forecasts now are settling in at a 0.6% mortality rate, and that somewhere between 40-70% of the population will be infected.

Assuming 50% of the human population gets infected, and 0.6% dies, that's just over 22 million deaths. That's a big number.

World population is 7.7 Billion. If 50% get infected, that is actually 230 million deaths world wide USA only, population of 352 million is 2.2 million deaths at .6%. but is it just .6% mortality rate?

[shrike126]

World population is 7.7 Billion. If 50% get infected, that is actually 230 million deaths world wide USA only, population of 352 million is 2.2 million deaths at .6%. but is it just .6% mortality rate?

Yeah none of these numbers are very reassuring.

The news keeps saying we're approximately 10 days behind Italy in terms of our outbreak. So this time next week we can maybe expect the country to be on lock down.

[OverclockN']

Did China stop counting cases? Seems like they've been at 80,000 for several days now.

[bill dennison]

Did China stop counting cases? Seems like they've been at 80,000 for several days now.

does anyone believe russia only has 17

[shrike126]

Did China stop counting cases? Seems like they've been at 80,000 for several days now.

They're still reporting but the numbers have been dropping off. The drastic steps they've taken appear to have worked.

[OverclockN']

They're still reporting but the numbers have been dropping off. The drastic steps they've taken appear to have worked.

I noticed they were increasing, just extremely slowly. But that's what I was curious about. Are they simply not reporting (most cases), or did their measures actually work?

[Jankan]

We are a little screwed, this has come at the worst time. Our visas are expiring in October and we found out my wife is pregnant and will be due in October and we need to go back to South Africa to renew our visas but of course we don’t want to fly when she is too far along. We booked our flights for the 22nd of March so getting a little stressed here.

[DaJMasta]

I noticed they were increasing, just extremely slowly. But that's what I was curious about. Are they simply not reporting (most cases), or did their measures actually work?

Depends on whether or not you believe their official reporting.




I do, at least in this regard. Their quarantine measures were unprecedented scale and speed and were enforced with effectively martial law very soon after they were announced.


Yeah, they were too late to stop the spread to other nations, but they are an example of how decisive quarantining can be effective.


Whether or not you believe their total number of cases and deaths, you can believe the downward trend because stuff in China really is beginning to normalize.

[Cyko]

We are a little screwed, this has come at the worst time. Our visas are expiring in October and we found out my wife is pregnant and will be due in October and we need to go back to South Africa to renew our visas but of course we don’t want to fly when she is too far along. We booked our flights for the 22nd of March so getting a little stressed here.

Sorry to hear that my friend.

[Napoleonic]

Any tangible news on the vaccine stuff? So how do people get treatment from this virus? What were being done to the patients that recovered? Most news in the world only talk about the spread and patient numbers.

[pax]

Still no talk on setting up a more expansive vaccine sampling and production system so we could generate 3-4 flu vaccines a year instead of one. With more teams going out sampling the chances of picking on such novel viruses is more likely knowing where they come from. 20 billion was what was floated as costing to build this system.

[nutcrackr]

Did China stop counting cases? Seems like they've been at 80,000 for several days now.

China locked themselves down for weeks. They're only now starting to wind back up.

[andino]

World population is 7.7 Billion. If 50% get infected, that is actually 230 million deaths world wide USA only, population of 352 million is 2.2 million deaths at .6%. but is it just .6% mortality rate?

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...us-death-rate/

https://www.who.int/docs/default-sou...rsn=96b04adf_2



Mortality rate is 3% ~ 4% globally. Not .6%. In Italy it is currently setting at just about 5% mainly due to their older population.

So, 7.7 billion people. 1/2 infected. Mortality rate at 3% is 115.5 million people. Mortality rate at 4% is 154 million people.

In the US with 352 million people at a 1/2 infection rate. Mortality at 3% is 5,280,000. At 4% it is 7,040,000.

Most places are still saying it's right at 3.4% globally. At those numbers with 1/2 becoming infected the mortality number globally is 130,900,000. In the US it would be 5,984,000 people....

The infection rate could be higher than 1/2. I don't think they have a good handle on that number yet. What is bad is that we have never faced this kind of virus before so there are very little natural immunity like we have with the flu. Most of us at one point or another has had the flu. Our bodies remember that and fight it off. That is not the case with covid19. So the infection rate could be much higher than 1/2 of the population. The nice thing is that kids seem to be missed in this whole thing. They can get it and not be very sick from it. The older you go the more likely it is that you have complications from it. Which is why Italy's numbers are so high...

[andino]

China locked themselves down for weeks. They're only now starting to wind back up.

Once they start winding back up the general thought is that more people will become sick.

[andino]

[bill dennison]

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...us-death-rate/

https://www.who.int/docs/default-sou...rsn=96b04adf_2



Mortality rate is 3% ~ 4% globally. Not .6%. In Italy it is currently setting at just about 5% mainly due to their older population.

So, 7.7 billion people. 1/2 infected. Mortality rate at 3% is 115.5 million people. Mortality rate at 4% is 154 million people.

In the US with 352 million people at a 1/2 infection rate. Mortality at 3% is 5,280,000. At 4% it is 7,040,000.

Most places are still saying it's right at 3.4% globally. At those numbers with 1/2 becoming infected the mortality number globally is 130,900,000. In the US it would be 5,984,000 people....

The infection rate could be higher than 1/2. I don't think they have a good handle on that number yet. What is bad is that we have never faced this kind of virus before so there are very little natural immunity like we have with the flu. Most of us at one point or another has had the flu. Our bodies remember that and fight it off. That is not the case with covid19. So the infection rate could be much higher than 1/2 of the population. The nice thing is that kids seem to be missed in this whole thing. They can get it and not be very sick from it. The older you go the more likely it is that you have complications from it. Which is why Italy's numbers are so high...

the game is to delay it here as long as possible here

How blood plasma from recovered patients could help treat the new coronavirus

When it comes to creating treatments for Covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, the first line of defense may be a century-old technology: purified blood plasma.

Medical literature published during the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 includes case reports describing how transfusions of blood products obtained from survivors may have contributed to a 50% reduction in death among severely ill patients. In 1934, a measles outbreak at a Pennsylvania boarding school was halted when serum harvested from the first infected student was used to treat 62 fellow students. Only three of the 62 students developed measles — all mild cases.

More recently, plasma-derived therapy was used to treat patients during outbreaks of Ebola and avian flu. And on Wednesday the Japanese drugmaker Takeda Pharmaceutical Co. said it was developing a new coronavirus drug derived from the blood plasma of people who have recovered from Covid-19. Its approach is based on the idea that antibodies developed by recovered patients might strengthen the immune system of new patients.

the longer the delay the more recovered to harvest plasma
this may not stop it but may lower the death rate a lot

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/05/...t-coronavirus/

[daPhoenix]

Mortality rate is 3% ~ 4% globally.

This is disputed heavily because so many may go without being diagnosed, untested and have such mild symptoms that they barely differ from a normal flu.

"You only hear about the bad news."

[Nunz]

New kid moving into my room showed today. Food poisoning he says. Ironically he's Asian lol

Cowabunga it is boys!

[Lazy8s]

New kid moving into my room showed today. Food poisoning he says. Ironically he's Asian lol

Cowabunga it is boys!

No overseas experience is ever complete until you get the crud