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    Congrats anti-vaxxers. You are winning. US is now #1:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ed-states.html

    Two years into the pandemic, the coronavirus is killing Americans at far higher rates than people in other wealthy nations, a sobering distinction to bear as the country charts a course through the next stages of the pandemic.

    The resulting American death toll has set the country apart — and by wider margins than has been broadly recognized. Since Dec. 1, when health officials announced the first Omicron case in the United States, the share of Americans who have been killed by the coronavirus is at least 63 percent higher than in any of these other large, wealthy nations, according to a New York Times analysis of mortality figures.

    “The U.S. stands out as having a relatively high fatality rate,” said Joseph Dieleman, an associate professor at the University of Washington who has compared Covid outcomes globally. “There’s been more loss than anyone wanted or anticipated.”

    As deadly as the Omicron wave has been, the situation in the United States is far better than it would have been without vaccines. The Omicron variant also causes less serious illness than Delta, even though it has led to staggering case numbers. Together, vaccines and the less lethal nature of Omicron infections have significantly reduced the share of people with Covid who are being hospitalized and dying during this wave.

    In Western Europe, those factors have resulted in much more manageable waves. Deaths in Britain, for example, are one-fifth of last winter’s peak, and hospital admissions are roughly half as high.

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      Originally posted by SD-[Inc] View Post
      Congrats anti-vaxxers. You are winning. US is now #1:

      https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ed-states.html
      Freedom is worth dying for...

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        Originally posted by Java Cool Dude View Post
        Freedom is worth dying for...
        It's always interesting to me the dichotomy involved here. The same people in the United States who say that they'd be happy to strap a firearm to their hip to save the lives of others, are the same folks who are arguing most vigorously that they will not strap a piece of cloth over their mouth to save the lives of others.
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          Originally posted by shrike126 View Post
          It's always interesting to me the dichotomy involved here. The same people in the United States who say that they'd be happy to strap a firearm to their hip to save the lives of others, are the same folks who are arguing most vigorously that they will not strap a piece of cloth over their mouth to save the lives of others.
          CDC Updates Mask Guidelines - Cloth Masks Least Effective
          COVID-19 is a new type of coronavirus that causes mild to severe cases. Here’s a quick guide on how to spot symptoms, risk factors, prevent spread of the disease, and find out what to do if you think you have it.


          ....


          and i don't carry to " save the lives of others " but mine & family and my property
          those others lives are up to them .
          ......
          as for masks i wear them where required only
          but i'm double vaxxed and had Delta four months after the second shot
          so i don't fear BA.2

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            Originally posted by shrike126 View Post
            It's always interesting to me the dichotomy involved here. The same people in the United States who say that they'd be happy to strap a firearm to their hip to save the lives of others, are the same folks who are arguing most vigorously that they will not strap a piece of cloth over their mouth to save the lives of others.
            Don’t mistake their gun slinging mentality to be altruistic. It’s more for their own benefit. Same as their approach to Covid. Altruism is a dying trait. It’s not part of our DNA as a country anymore. Conspiratory beliefs and political motivations have killed it.

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              Can't hurt to take a vitamin D supplement, guys.. I'm on it anyway as my blood tests had shown low levels a few years back.


              Bolstering previous research, scientists publish 'remarkable' data showing strong link between vitamin deficiency, prevalent in Israel, and death or serious illness among patients


              Researchers from Bar Ilan University and the Galilee Medical Center say that the vitamin has such a strong impact on disease severity that they can predict how people would fare if infected based on nothing more than their ages and vitamin D levels.

              Lacking vitamin D significantly increases danger levels, they concluded in newly peer-reviewed research published Thursday in the journal PLOS One.
              ...
              Vitamin D deficiency is endemic across the Middle East, including in Israel, where nearly four in five people are low on the vitamin, according to one study from 2011. By taking supplements before infection, though, the researchers in the new Israeli study found that patients could avoid the worst effects of the disease.

              ...

              In June, researchers published preliminary findings showing that 26 percent of coronavirus patients died if they were vitamin D deficient soon before hospitalization, compared to 3% who had normal levels of vitamin D.

              They also determined that hospitalized patients who were vitamin D deficient were 14 times more likely, on average, to end up in severe or critical condition than others.
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                Originally posted by AllexxisF1 View Post
                We will look back on this pandemic and realize the root cause for those who suffered most from this virus, was a simple lack of vitamin D.
                Someone get this guy an award.

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                  So among R3D who is a closet anti vaxer?

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                    Read about the importance of vitamin D months ago.
                    My world is a world of concepts and principles, not a battlefield - "war" is simply the wrong metaphor for where I'm coming from.

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                      Originally posted by 12Bass View Post
                      Read about the importance of vitamin D months ago.
                      Probably these guys. Preliminary result in June. It's now official, went through peer review, and being published as final. Note that this data was from Delta, not Omicron. Still, Vitamin D bolstering the immune system doesn't change based on the virus, just the death-rate would likely be different and less dramatic if done again today.

                      A 23% difference in mortality rate is something. Of those hospitalized (with Delta), 14x more likely to be severe/critical.
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                        Originally posted by bill dennison View Post
                        https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2022...east-effective

                        ....


                        and i don't carry to " save the lives of others " but mine & family and my property
                        those others lives are up to them .
                        ......
                        as for masks i wear them where required only
                        but i'm double vaxxed and had Delta four months after the second shot
                        so i don't fear BA.2
                        "saying loosely woven cloth masks offer the least protection against COVID-19"


                        "Saying loosely woven"

                        loosely woven

                        Tighter layers and cotton is what people generally mean by cloth. Also, it's a logical fallacy that less is better than nothing.

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                          Originally posted by KAC View Post
                          So among R3D who is a closet anti vaxer?
                          If I had to guess, you can just browse through P&R section and figure it out.

                          I'm not sure what it's like elsewhere but at least here in the U.S. over the past year vaccination rates have correlated closely with political affiliation, with Republicans who voted for Trump representing a demographic that is over 3 times as likely to remain unvaccinated. Admittedly, this research is from November so maybe things have improved since then.

                          While COVID-19 vaccination rates have risen significantly since the spring across all groups, uptake has been slower among those who are or lean Republican. As a result, the shrinking unvaccinated population has become increasingly Republican over time, with unvaccinated adults now more than three times as likely to lean Republican than Democratic.



                          Source
                          The virus doesn't care about political affiliations so medical research on surface level demographic associations seems fair to share, but I imagine any further more specific discussion as to the "why" of it should probably get redirected to P&R.
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                            I avoid P&R. But I don’t really understand the anti vaxer sentiment especially given that efficacy of vaccines are proven. Oh well, at this rate we are never getting out of this ordeal.

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                              Vitamin D definitely makes a difference with catching viruses, I was deficient a good 4 years ago before all this chit, Been on supplements since and cant remember the last time I caught a cold, I would always get them before I started taking the supplement.

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                                Originally posted by Nascar24 View Post
                                Vitamin D definitely makes a difference with catching viruses, I was deficient a good 4 years ago before all this chit, Been on supplements since and cant remember the last time I caught a cold, I would always get them before I started taking the supplement.
                                Gay it might be the D that got all the vitamins in you.

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                                  Originally posted by KAC View Post
                                  Gay it might be the D that got all the vitamins in you.

                                  Well its well known you enjoy the D

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                                    been taking Vit D since 2020 when the initial rumors/report hit. Doesn't hurt if wrong, although nice to see it confirmed.


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                                      Originally posted by KAC View Post
                                      I avoid P&R. But I don’t really understand the anti vaxer sentiment especially given that efficacy of vaccines are proven. Oh well, at this rate we are never getting out of this ordeal.
                                      You cannot reason someone out of a position they didn't use logic or reason to get themselves into.

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                                        Zinc as well can help. But D is the one vitamin we are typically deficient on whereas the others are usually plentiful in the average diet. Been taking 2000 iu a day for about 20 years now tho you can take it as one dose weekly as my bother does a 10000 ui once a week. Its a massive pill tho lol.
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                                          Originally posted by pax View Post
                                          Zinc as well can help. But D is the one vitamin we are typically deficient on whereas the others are usually plentiful in the average diet. Been taking 2000 iu a day for about 20 years now tho you can take it as one dose weekly as my bother does a 10000 ui once a week. Its a massive pill tho lol.
                                          couldnt he just use a single tiny 1000 iu pill 10 times?
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                                            Originally posted by Sasquach View Post
                                            couldnt he just use a single tiny 1000 iu pill 10 times?

                                            Must be something psychological of taking a handful 10 pills in one fell swoop. Maybe he thinks it makes him look like a junky. Ill have to ask him.
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                                              Originally posted by pax View Post
                                              Zinc as well can help. But D is the one vitamin we are typically deficient on whereas the others are usually plentiful in the average diet. Been taking 2000 iu a day for about 20 years now tho you can take it as one dose weekly as my bother does a 10000 ui once a week. Its a massive pill tho lol.
                                              Er I think it's 50000ui once a week and I just got that prescribed to me 2 months ago after blood test. I think vitamin D gets absorbed into fat so its possible to build too much of it. The mega doses like I got are D2 which are plant based and doesn't stick around as long. D3 which I think is what most of the daily supplements are animal based and stick around longer.

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                                                been told a few times by doctors to stop taking vitamin D

                                                i don't and never have taken vitamin D

                                                but i do work in the sun all day

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                                                  Guess who’s been eating his kids vitamin gummies lately…

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                                                    Your mom likes taking vitamin D.

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                                                        Originally posted by bill dennison View Post
                                                        been told a few times by doctors to stop taking vitamin D

                                                        i don't and never have taken vitamin D

                                                        but i do work in the sun all day
                                                        As long as you're getting enough through natural sources (the sun) then you don't need a supplement. They can see this on your blood work. Vitamin D supplements have become more common with people working indoors in offices or WFH.

                                                        Even people working outside where night is long (Alaska) tend to need Vitamin D supp.
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                                                          Originally posted by dodger View Post
                                                          Er I think it's 50000ui once a week and I just got that prescribed to me 2 months ago after blood test. I think vitamin D gets absorbed into fat so its possible to build too much of it. The mega doses like I got are D2 which are plant based and doesn't stick around as long. D3 which I think is what most of the daily supplements are animal based and stick around longer.
                                                          Kind of surprising he would want you to take that much tho different forms of D have different absorption rates as you say. You are in a sunny part of the world so shouldnt have that much a deficiency. We get more deficient the more north we live as we tend to stay indoors longer in winters.
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                                                            Originally posted by pax View Post
                                                            Kind of surprising he would want you to take that much tho different forms of D have different absorption rates as you say. You are in a sunny part of the world so shouldnt have that much a deficiency. We get more deficient the more north we live as we tend to stay indoors longer in winters.
                                                            Well like Nunz said all this WFH doesn't help. Plus I knew someone that got skin cancer so have always been wary of being out in the sun too much. I seem to remember a doctor did mention once that my D levels were on the low end of normal, good on him considering the amount of stuff that gets tested and the lab only flags stuff if its in the red. If anyone's curious I got a 13 and normal according to the lab is 32-100. Really hoping I can ramp down to the daily supplements everyone else takes as 50k iu still sounds scary high.

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                                                              Originally posted by dodger View Post
                                                              Well like Nunz said all this WFH doesn't help. Plus I knew someone that got skin cancer so have always been wary of being out in the sun too much. I seem to remember a doctor did mention once that my D levels were on the low end of normal, good on him considering the amount of stuff that gets tested and the lab only flags stuff if its in the red. If anyone's curious I got a 13 and normal according to the lab is 32-100. Really hoping I can ramp down to the daily supplements everyone else takes as 50k iu still sounds scary high.
                                                              Funny fact skin cancer rates are lowest in the south and highest in the north. I wonder if its Vit D related again but I do know that I havent had any mouth sores since I started taking Vit D bout 20 years ago. If any injury happens they heal up very quick.
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                                                                Originally posted by SubCog View Post
                                                                Your mom likes taking vitamin D.

                                                                If I had a supplement line I’d call it Vitamin Orgy, after the two things your mom enjoys the most
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                                                                    So you’ll crap your intestines out while growing tits but won’t care because of the Prozac…

                                                                    …I got nothin’. Come on giant meteor!
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                                                                      Originally posted by Cyko View Post
                                                                      So you’ll crap your intestines out while growing tits but won’t care because of the Prozac…

                                                                      …I got nothin’. Come on giant meteor!
                                                                      I'm on antidepressants for anxiety. Haven't had covid. (I think ). conspiracy confirmed.

                                                                      Or it may be that I'm fully vaxed. I dunno.

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                                                                        In the early days of the internet the promise of access to a nearly unlimited source of information was viewed as the heralding of a new dawn of an enlightened civilization. Not surprising that humans screwed that dream as well. It's Darwinism at its finest. No matter how hard we strive to advance as a civilization, the gravity of our own stupidity will hold us back forever. :facepalm:

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                                                                          Originally posted by SD-[Inc] View Post
                                                                          In the early days of the internet the promise of access to a nearly unlimited source of information was viewed as the heralding of a new dawn of an enlightened civilization. Not surprising that humans screwed that dream as well. It's Darwinism at its finest. No matter how hard we strive to advance as a civilization, the gravity of our own stupidity will hold us back forever. :facepalm:
                                                                          in the grand scheme of things this is still just a very vocal minority. just the internet lets every village idiot from the wide world gather up.

                                                                          squeaky wheel gets the grease, they complain the loudest so the media does non stop coverage.

                                                                          in the 80's and 90's it'd be a small local story about a sad group of idiots protesting it with dozen people at most in most places.
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                                                                            Originally posted by Shapeshifter View Post
                                                                            in the grand scheme of things this is still just a very vocal minority. just the internet lets every village idiot from the wide world gather up.

                                                                            squeaky wheel gets the grease, they complain the loudest so the media does non stop coverage.

                                                                            in the 80's and 90's it'd be a small local story about a sad group of idiots protesting it with dozen people at most in most places.
                                                                            Anyone with a modicum of critical thinking can weave through most of the junk online to get at good information. But when you have Facebook 'fact checking' the British Medical Journal and ad hoc censor their articles you have to wonder about those who want to do the thinking for you.

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                                                                              Originally posted by pax View Post
                                                                              Anyone with a modicum of critical thinking can weave through most of the junk online to get at good information. But when you have Facebook 'fact checking' the British Medical Journal and ad hoc censor their articles you have to wonder about those who want to do the thinking for you.

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                                                                              I 100% agree with this. Covid started as a viral pandemic and became a political rallying cry for many. If this trend continues, will we start getting all our medical advice to tie into a political belief? What's next......cholesterol?, erectile dysfunction, epilepsy, tooth decay.....?
                                                                              Take what you want...and then pay for it...

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                                                                                Originally posted by huskylord View Post
                                                                                I 100% agree with this. Covid started as a viral pandemic and became a political rallying cry for many. If this trend continues, will we start getting all our medical advice to tie into a political belief? What's next......cholesterol?, erectile dysfunction, epilepsy, tooth decay.....?
                                                                                Them forcing local governments to remove any vaccination requirements in public schools. We'd have polio still if it was up to these morons.
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                                                                                  BMJ and Dr Campbell are all pro vaccination but when you cant debate the finer points of the facts of the epidemic without some ai cutting out even the most well established scientific journals you have a problem. Censorship has again gone too far.
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