Official Thread: Coronavirus "COVID-19"

[Java Cool Dude]

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A vaccinated friend finally showed up to the gym after a month off and she's like, I just recovered from covid but my memory is so messed up I can't remember **** anymore!

[pax]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/19/health/covid-vaccine-infection-protection-cdc-study/index.html

Vaccination protects against Covid-19 hospitalization significantly more than prior infection, according to CDC study

For those who still think they dont need the shot...

[MaxSt]

Last week they were saying to assume that 1 in 100 Oklahomans had covid. Now that number is 1 in 50.

Google says 32% of all tests are positive:

[bill dennison]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/19/healt...udy/index.html



For those who still think they dont need the shot...

CDC most people now think they say anything they are told to

https://news.gallup.com/poll/354566/americans-ratings-cdc-communication-turn-negative.aspx

[Java Cool Dude]

CDC most people now think they say anything they are told to

https://news.gallup.com/poll/354566/...-negative.aspx

Now how did I know you will be THE person leaning on their infectious diseases expertise to dismiss the CDC findings!

[SD-[Inc]]

i had a sinus cold last week that i get every year when the winter grass comes in

no fever so no test

I have had that on and off since October. Just pop an allergy pill and if symptoms end, no worries. Also watery eyes is always a good indicator to me that its just allergies too.

[bill dennison]

Now how did I know you will be THE person leaning on their infectious diseases expertise to dismiss the CDC findings!

i dismiss all government agencies top to bottom under this administration .

[Java Cool Dude]

i dismiss all government agencies top to bottom under this administration .

Let's go Brandon, amirite?

[bill dennison]

Let's go Brandon, amirite?

no i don't mince words

[Cyko]

I'm starting to think Cyko is just having menopausal hot flashes.

Ha! My best friend said the same thing. If it weren’t for the positive tests I’d 100% agree.

Feeling much better today. Energy is coming back but muh brain is still mush. Gonna re-test at day 5. Sitting around, sick or not, is driving me crazy.

[acroig]

Ha! My best friend said the same thing. If it weren’t for the positive tests I’d 100% agree.

Feeling much better today. Energy is coming back but muh brain is still mush. Gonna re-test at day 5. Sitting around, sick or not, is driving me crazy.

Good news!!

[acroig]

Let's go Brandon, amirite?

no i don't mince words

Please keep the P&R out of this thread. I know it's hard but let's try.

[ULTRATRON38]

I am an unvaccinated rebel and I have not had the coronavirus.. but I have been smart though this, avoided large crowds and have worn only KN95 masks from the beginning. That seems to be the sweet spot.


I believe Omicron is the end of this, and even if Wheeliecron comes, it will likely be even less virulent than this latest version. I was afraid of Alpha & Delta. Omicron feels much less stressful.

[pax]

Stress might be the least of your problems when you get it.

[ULTRATRON38]

Stress might be the least of your problems when you get it.

I don't plan on getting it.. but I'd be even more stressed worrying about what I had pumped in me for the 5th time from drug companies that are exempt from liability and have their data sealed for 75 years. But that's just me, & I respect other people's decisions either way.. as I am not flippant about this.


I'm also well under 65 .. and Omicron thankfully has mostly pushed Delta out.

[AllexxisF1]

I mean, I don't have a problem with his strategy. Use awesome PPE, be ultra careful and wait for a milder version of the disease.

At least what you're doing is responsible for you and the public.

Unlike Cleetus who walks into the 5 cent wings bar huffing over everyone about his feedums.

[ULTRATRON38]

I mean, I don't have a problem with his strategy. Use awesome PPE, be ultra careful and wait for a milder version of the disease.

At least what you're doing is responsible for you and the public.

Unlike Cleetus who walks into the 5 cent wings bar huffing over everyone about his feedums.

Thank you! It's a difficult place to be b/c one side misjudges you for wearing a mask, the other really hates & vilifies you for not bending over for exempt drug companies.
If I were over 50 and or had some other risk factor, then I might have gotten one J&J shot.. but that would have been it. Too many unknowns otherwise. IMO

[Trunks0]

ULTRATRON38... I commend you on being properly cautious. But get the vaccine. These are well studied, well understood and have been dosed out now in mass without serious issues world wide in various different formulations.

Either way, stay safe ULTRATRON38 and keep up precautions

[ULTRATRON38]

ULTRATRON38... I commend you on being properly cautious. But get the vaccine. These are well studied, well understood and have been dosed out now in mass without serious issues world wide in various different formulations.

Either way, stay safe ULTRATRON38 and keep up precautions

Thanks! I will continue to be smart until Omicron becomes endemic or transforms into an even milder variant.


The only way I see myself getting a J&J or some next-gen shot is if it mutates into something unimaginable like UNIBUS or something. I really think Omicron is the endgame.. and the data & trends so far seem to back that up. It's up to all of us to snap out of it once that becomes 100% clear.

[Java Cool Dude]

I find it incredible how a vaccine that was made to target Alpha is still highly effective against Delta and the highly-mutated Omicron.
Up to four months following a third dose of BNT162b2, VE remained high (≥89%) against omicron-related hospitalization

[Trunks0]

Thanks! I will continue to be smart until Omicron becomes endemic or transforms into an even milder variant.


The only way I see myself getting a J&J or some next-gen shot is if it mutates into something unimaginable like UNIBUS or something. I really think Omicron is the endgame.. and the data & trends so far seem to back that up. It's up to all of us to snap out of it once that becomes 100% clear.

If I had any other recommendation, it's don't let yourself get infected. While the initial hit might be extremely mild. The still evolving data on COVID long looks extremely unfun if you end up falling into that further category.

[pax]

[SD-[Inc]]

Thank you! It's a difficult place to be b/c one side misjudges you for wearing a mask, the other really hates & vilifies you for not bending over for exempt drug companies.
If I were over 50 and or had some other risk factor, then I might have gotten one J&J shot.. but that would have been it. Too many unknowns otherwise. IMO

You wear a mask to protect yourself and others. What’s there to vilify? For yourself though, I would question the practicality of your approach. Do you wear a mask during every human encounter? All day at home with others? At family gathering? Eating with others? Your approach is a 1000x more responsible than those that do whatever they want and to hell with others. But, not sure it will keep you safe. My son did vax but felt booster was overkill. Got infected at work with Omicron and despite being safe with mask wearing is still having chronic fatigue a month later. (He is in his twenties).

[ULTRATRON38]

You wear a mask to protect yourself and others. What’s there to vilify? For yourself though, I would question the practicality of your approach. Do you wear a mask during every human encounter? All day at home with others? At family gathering? Eating with others? Your approach is a 1000x more responsible than those that do whatever they want and to hell with others. But, not sure it will keep you safe. My son did vax but felt booster was overkill. Got infected at work with Omicron and despite being safe with mask wearing is still having chronic fatigue a month later. (He is in his twenties).

I wear a mask mostly when indoors (only sometimes outdoors) when around strangers. I do have the advantage of being my own boss, so I can (for the most part.. but not always) limit my exposure to large groups of unknown people.

Almost never wear a mask around household members or outdoors w/ few people around.

[Sasquach]

I find it incredible how a vaccine that was made to target Alpha is still highly effective against Delta and the highly-mutated Omicron.
Up to four months following a third dose of BNT162b2, VE remained high (≥89%) against omicron-related hospitalization

Its not like the vaccine just completely fails once a new variant comes out.......

Each new variant is exactly that, a variant of the initial one which contains measures that resist whatever the vaccine targetting it is.

So if the initial variant is a bald head, and the vaccine is taking a baseball bat to the head and destroying it....then Delta would be a bald head with a baseball hat which the baseball bat is now less effective in destroying that head, but can still do it with enough whacks. Now Omicron could be a faster moving head with a pot on its head...

The bat will still work but wont be as effective.

[SD-[Inc]]

I wear a mask mostly when indoors (only sometimes outdoors) when around strangers. I do have the advantage of being my own boss, so I can (for the most part.. but not always) limit my exposure to large groups of unknown people.

Almost never wear a mask around household members or outdoors w/ few people around.

Omicron is easy to get. Sometimes people don't even know they have it. A majority of spread is usually within households. Vaccines have proven to be effective in lowering odds of complications.

[twonha]

Got a booster shot last Tuesday, tested positive yesterday.

A co-worker and I went for a lunch walk last Tuesday, and she home-tested positive later that evening. Pretty sure that's where I'll have gotten it from. My symptoms so far for me, while she's a flu-ridden wreck. Here's hoping that booster kicks in quickly enough so that my positive result has no negative effects.

[bill dennison]

Prior COVID infection more protective than vaccination during Delta surge -U.S. study

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/prior-covid-infection-more-protective-than-vaccination-during-delta-surge-us-2022-01-19/

[Java Cool Dude]

https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...us-2022-01-19/

This is from the article Pax linked to:

At first, those with a prior infection had higher case rates than those who were vaccinated with no history of prior infection. As the Delta variant became predominant in the US in later months, this shifted and people who survived a previous infection had lower case rates than those who were vaccinated alone, according to the study.

This seems to confirm what we knew for months now; protection from prior infections lasts a little longer than two shots mRNA, one shot JJ and that current vaccines wane after a while.

[bill dennison]

This is from the article Pax linked to:



This seems to confirm what we knew for months now; protection from prior infections lasts a little longer than two shots mRNA, one shot JJ and that current vaccines wane after a while.

well i was 4 months after my second pfizer shot when i got Delta so i'm good

[Java Cool Dude]

well i was 4 months after my second pfizer shot when i got Delta so i'm good

You have what is referred to as super-immunity; covid infection + vaccination.
I say it's time to collect your fluids for science

[pax]

Immunity wanes whether its prior infection or vaccination which is why we need regular vaccines to keep us protected. As we do more studies we'll know in more detail how much either or both wane over time and how that affects a given variant as it will likely continue to generate new ones.

Its still better to have regular vaccination and not risk life or health or public safety as much. You can try not to catch it, precautions such as masking is good to possibly delay catching it or reduce the level of exposure, but odds are with the level of contagion now that its a matter of when not if.

Personally will be looking at a 4rth shot in the spring or summer.

[SD-[Inc]]

Immunity wanes whether its prior infection or vaccination which is why we need regular vaccines to keep us protected. As we do more studies we'll know in more detail how much either or both wane over time and how that affects a given variant as it will likely continue to generate new ones.

Its still better to have regular vaccination and not risk life or health or public safety as much. You can try not to catch it, precautions such as masking is good to possibly delay catching it or reduce the level of exposure, but odds are with the level of contagion now that its a matter of when not if.

Personally will be looking at a 4rth shot in the spring or summer.

Pfizer has tweaked the vaccine to target Omicron. You may want to wait for that one:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-v...arch-paxlovid/

[ice]

Thanks! I will continue to be smart until Omicron becomes endemic or transforms into an even milder variant.


The only way I see myself getting a J&J or some next-gen shot is if it mutates into something unimaginable like UNIBUS or something. I really think Omicron is the endgame.. and the data & trends so far seem to back that up. It's up to all of us to snap out of it once that becomes 100% clear.

This has been my thought as well. I'm basically doing what you're doing.

I wound up getting it shortly after New Years. Felt like the regular flu was over it in a week, I'm perfectly fine now. I'll continue doing what I've been doing. The novavax seemed interesting when I was reading about it, but these mRNA ones didn't sit well with me.

[ULTRATRON38]

This has been my thought as well. I'm basically doing what you're doing.

I wound up getting it shortly after New Years. Felt like the regular flu was over it in a week, I'm perfectly fine now. I'll continue doing what I've been doing. The novavax seemed interesting when I was reading about it, but these mRNA ones didn't sit well with me.

Absolutely! If you've had it already, then you're in an even better position IMO. I was considering Novavax as well.. but the govt slow-walked it. I'm not interested in any of the mRNA based immunoterapies (what they actually are) either.

I did almost die during the second wave of the swine flu in the 2013-14 season. Lost 20 pounds & was bedridden for over a month. Studies show people who survived bad cases of H1N1 have supercharged immunity and "may have" T-cells that are also somewhat resistant to coronavirus. Perhaps that's also a factor in why I haven't had it thus far?

I think as long as we continue to be smart, and the variants continue to become less dangerous, we should be in good shape.


Also.. shout-out to Sasquach for the awesome vaccine analogy!

[12Bass]

The resistance to mRNA is interesting, given that they are the best COVID vaccines currently available. Makes me think that some people are in an entirely different information ecosystem...

[Jay20016]

The resistance to mRNA is interesting, given that they are the best COVID vaccines currently available. Makes me think that some people are in an entirely different information ecosystem...

I mean, I don't trust this penicillin, I'll continue to use leeches.

Sends a telegraph to family instead of a rotary phone...

[ugly]

The resistance to mRNA is interesting, given that they are the best COVID vaccines currently available. Makes me think that some people are in an entirely different information ecosystem...

The mRNA vaccines are the most popular and the most readily available. So the grifters spend the most time attacking them. The most bizarre thing is how often people claim they did their research and decided to take J&J. The shot that actually has been proven to have a very small possiblity of actually killing someone.

And you just see the same talking points over and over again. That it somehow isn't a real vaccine. That it's gene therapy. These are obviously very powerful messages that people are eager to believe without evidence.

While people, rightfully, don't like Big Phara. They also completely ignore the amount of money behind antivax propaganda.

Alex Berenson makes $720,000 a year on his Substack. And America's Front Line Doctors have made at least $6.7 million selling the well-known bullshit cures while attacking the vaccines

The self-styled free thinkers just don't realize that they're the ones getting played.

[12Bass]

The mRNA vaccines are the most popular and the most readily available. So the grifters spend the most time attacking them. The most bizarre thing is how often people claim they did their research and decided to take J&J. The shot that actually has been proven to have a very small possiblity of actually killing someone.

And you just see the same talking points over and over again. That it somehow isn't a real vaccine. That it's gene therapy. These are obviously very powerful messages that people are eager to believe without evidence.

While people, rightfully, don't like Big Phara. They also completely ignore the amount of money behind antivax propaganda.

Alex Berenson makes $720,000 a year on his Substack. And America's Front Line Doctors have made at least $6.7 million selling the well-known bullshit cures while attacking the vaccines

The self-styled free thinkers just don't realize that they're the ones getting played.

Yeah, 'freethinker' means different things to different people. It seems more like groupthink under the self-delusion of freethinking in this particular case. I've encountered it myself with a pilot friend who avoided vaccines until the mandate kicked in, then got J&J because his "research" told him it is a "real" vaccine... which happens to come with more serious risks and low efficacy. I gather he chose it not because of peer-reviewed medical journals, but because his peers "reviewed" it and gave it the groupthink stamp of approval. He also seems either unaware, or unwilling to admit his obvious bias.

I try to stick with the scientific sources, myself...

This is an excellent quote from the comments on the NYT mRNA article:

The difference between the approach taken in the development of the mRNA vaccines and the vaccines of Salk and Sabine or Pasteur are astonishing. Not much discussed in the article, but implied, is the improved toolsets. The researchers are not guessing what is in the complex molecules or their intricate shapes--they know! The know exactly what the atomic structure looks like, what it does, and how to build it.

They can build and manipulate the complex molecular structures with the same ease and certainty a carpenter can build a staircase or house with modern tools and materials.

The knowledge and tools were brutally hard won by the work of hundreds or thousands over decades. But the results are in.

Deniers are like stone age peoples using their knowledge to understand aircraft and assess their safety.

And this quote fits very well for the aforementioned antivaxxer pilot. He likely has no clue about molecular biology or virology, yet somehow feels like he has the right to hold a scientific opinion regarding what makes a "real" vaccine. The hubris is massive... Dunning-Kruger rides again, and again, and again...

And I've seen thousands spent on alternative cures too, by people who don't realize that they've been played.

[acroig]

You have what is referred to as super-immunity; covid infection + vaccination.
I say it's time to collect your fluids for science fiction

Fixed.