Official Thread: Coronavirus "COVID-19"

[xCLAVEx]

I've been sick since Friday and stayed home. Since we have the big extended 50-person thanksgiving dinner here Saturday, I went in for a test. Even though I have taste and smell, and no fever, I'm positive.

Dodged a bullet.

Sorta

When I had covid, the fever and loss of taste/smell didn't happen until my second week of being sick. The first week everything just kind of slowly creeped in and gradually got worse.

[Shadowless]

I've been sick since Friday and stayed home. Since we have the big extended 50-person thanksgiving dinner here Saturday, I went in for a test. Even though I have taste and smell, and no fever, I'm positive.

Dodged a bullet.

Sorta

My old boss got COVID early last week and he just says he feels like he has a cold. Same for another friend of mine who got it this past weekend.

Feel better

[SD-[Inc]]

I've been sick since Friday and stayed home. Since we have the big extended 50-person thanksgiving dinner here Saturday, I went in for a test. Even though I have taste and smell, and no fever, I'm positive.

Dodged a bullet.

Sorta

Here is hoping your symptoms stay mild and no one else in the party unknowingly causes a big problem.

[JZL]

Here is hoping your symptoms stay mild and no one else in the party unknowingly causes a big problem.

Thanks, everybody. The event has been moved to a niece's house and wifey and I won't be going. All for the best; there's going to be a ton of young kids there.

fwiw, Moderna vax in the spring. Had not gotten the booster yet, so that's my bad. I was going to get it next week.

Weirdly, my eyes look like I went to a Snoop Dog birthday party.

[pax]

Doesnt sound like you got the pneumonia?... even with a booster Id keep an eye on symptoms to be safe. Vaccine is immensely helpful but not silver bullet. At least not yet.

[Silent-Runner]

I feel for people who have to show an ID every time they have to buy alcohol at the store, reminds of nazi Germany!

wooah, really?

[12Bass]

I'll accept the comparison with Nazi Germany when the first antivaxxer concentration camp opens for business...

[Nunz]

wooah, really?

Some people in this thread try way too ****ing hard to be funny or clown others for their opinions.

[Jay20016]

Some people in this thread try way too ****ing hard to be funny or clown others for their opinions.

Hyperbole passed off as an opinion is a shield for the continuation of ignorance.

[Riptide]

Tell that to my employer.

I get your point there and in fact agree with their right to do as they please to an extent just because they are a private business. Their company, their rules.

Doesn't mean we have to agree with their decisions of course.

Hmmm...

Completely agree with this whole post of yours. They can do as they please, and my company chose to follow CDC recommendations as is their prerogative. I personally think it's a heavy-handed approach but that is just my opinion and little worker bee me doesn't really matter.

Listen, we may have to live with this forever, seasonal Covid shots, like the flu.

Outside of health care flu shots aren't typically required in most companies. This is definitely something new. I understand you are probably in favor of those requirements unless I have you figured wrong.

Been a while since I posted here in this thread, we lost Grandma to covid related penumonia July before last. Now, both of my parents who refuse vaccines are in the hospital with this and were admitted yesterday. My sister has already had it and gained natural immunity from it since she was not vaccinated. It was the worst flu like experience she has ever had from what she told me.

My opinion hasn't changed for the most part. I am completely against mandating this. I don't agree with employers requiring it. I don't believe it meets the traditional definition of a vaccine, and the timing of the changes of those definitions seems suspicious as it may have been done so that we can include the covid 'vaccine' in that definition. Reality is, this is more like an experimental drug than anything else.

That all said, I'm disappointed my parents did not get the drug. They are in the age group that could be in real trouble from this and now look at them. In the hospital totally miserable sick as hell. We're all worried about them. While I have not taken the drug yet I now have scheduled my first dose of moderna on dec 2nd. I go into it knowing what to expect, this is not going to keep me from getting sick. It will keep me from going to the hosptial and dieing. So, off I go. I'll have to risk the long term side effects including any unknowns at this point.

[Java Cool Dude]

wooah, really?

I was mocking those who compare producing an Id to Nazi Germany...

[Pr3tty F1y]

My opinion hasn't changed for the most part. I am completely against mandating this. I don't agree with employers requiring it. I don't believe it meets the traditional definition of a vaccine, and the timing of the changes of those definitions seems suspicious as it may have been done so that we can include the covid 'vaccine' in that definition. Reality is, this is more like an experimental drug than anything else.

The reality is, you're wrong.

While our understanding of the immune system is far from complete, there is a reason flu vaccines were annual - strains change and immunity wanes.

It's also the reason we don't have an immunization for the common cold. It seems that for some particular families of viruses, our immune system simply has a poorer memory (not to mention the fact that there are clear financial incentives for pharmaceutical companies to target some diseases over others - although no one is hiding secret cures to make more money else where - it's just that profit potential drives investment). Trying to extrapolate out the frequency for boosters for a brand new vaccine for a relatively newly identified virus (although, the reason we were able to get a COVID vaccine so quickly was due to work on the original SARS virus as well as the MERS virus) is going to be largely educated guessing followed up by regular data collection to better our understanding.

It's only thanks to prior work from SARS/MERS that we have a vaccine that is safe, effective, and well tested. The fact that immunity wanes isn't completely unexpected, but that is not the fault of the vaccine itself. It's a limitation of where our medical understanding of the immune system and these viruses stand. I'm sure it will improve in the future, but claiming the vaccine is not a vaccine and an experimental drug is plain misinformation - and it promotes ignorance and folks dying unnecessarily.

[Riptide]

The reality is, you're wrong.

No.

The definition of vaccine was recently changed by the authorities such that this drug is included in that definition. Previously, it would not have met the definition of vaccine that had been relatively long standing.

It's an experimental drug.

[acroig]

Outside of health care flu shots aren't typically required in most companies. This is definitely something new. I understand you are probably in favor of those requirements unless I have you figured wrong.

Well the flu does not kill like Covid does so there's that.

I am in favor of vaccination, it's how we beat polio, measles, rubella and so on. Don't understand the resistance to vaccination on political grounds.

[acroig]

It's an experimental drug.

Covid vaccines experimental? After FDA approval? You have science to back up that statement?

[Riptide]

Covid vaccines experimental? After FDA approval? You have science to back up that statement?

Emergency approval for something that was relatively recently created and for which we have no actual long term data compared to say something like the polio vaccine.

I mean how many times do I have to explain this? They changed the definition of vaccine to fit this drug. At least, that is what the timing implies here.

What's in a name though? I realize you guys are hyper sensitive to this and are going to launch an attack because you insist on calling it a vaccine now that they've changed the definition to fit, but it doesn't change the reality. It's a disappointment in that it doesn't prevent you from catching this or getting sick. That said, I'm still going to get it since I would prefer to have what little protection I can get at this point, regardless of what they are calling it now.

[Pr3tty F1y]

No.

The definition of vaccine was recently changed by the authorities such that this drug is included in that definition. Previously, it would not have met the definition of vaccine that had been relatively long standing.

It's an experimental drug.

Well, continue to live in your own bubble. I'm sure you'll easily find "information" and people to reinforce your world view and make you feel good about yourself.

Vaccines are not a silver bullet and never were. They were effective in preventing infection not simply through personal immunity, but through the fact that so many folks would have immunity that disease would not spread easily and, therefore, folks would not get sick. This never meant that you take a vaccine and you're 100% immune for forever. That's the stuff of fantasies and fairy tales.

The problem we currently have is that we're in the middle of pandemic and the disease is highly contagious and spreading throughout our communities. There is no chance that any vaccine would be anywhere near 100% effective for all persons in a situation like this. It's not how vaccines work or have ever worked. Vaccines simply introduce a pathogen (either a chunk of it or a live, attenuated version) so that your immune system has a chance to fight it on unfair terms to build up immunity (i.e., identify and imprint the molecular structure that your body should recognize as the pathogen) so if you're exposed in the future, you're body is prepared to fight off that pathogen to limit or prevent infection. Preventing infection limits the reproduction of the pathogen and less new pathogen limits spread. This understanding has not changed in a very long time. It's simply the facts about how all of this works.

To believe otherwise is your choice, but, again with employer mandates, it's all profit motive. Employers don't want sick or dead employees. They want to keep their doors opened to make money. Immunizing the staff makes sense. Also dead and sick people (and people who don't want to be dead or sick) don't tend to buy as much, so keeping patrons of your business protected from your otherwise pathogen-spreading employees makes sense. Businesses like vaccine mandates and being able to deflect blame to the government makes them happy as they can have their cake and eat it too. They keep folks healthy, make money, and blame the gov't for policies that they're implementing that keeps the business afloat.

No conspiracy theories. No experimental drugs. It's just the happy accident that we can get immunized so that economies can keep chugging along.

[acroig]

Emergency approval for something that was relatively recently created and for which we have no actual long term data compared to say something like the polio vaccine.

I mean how many times do I have to explain this? They changed the definition of vaccine to fit this drug. At least, that is what the timing implies here.

What's in a name though? I realize you guys are hyper sensitive to this and are going to launch an attack because you insist on calling it a vaccine now that they've changed the definition to fit, but it doesn't change the reality. It's a disappointment in that it doesn't prevent you from catching this or getting sick. That said, I'm still going to get it since I would prefer to have what little protection I can get at this point, regardless of what they are calling it now.

Wait, I asked a question and that's an attack? And just because you give an explanation that fits your narrative does not make your statement valid.

Regardless, I'm not having a silly argument on Thanksgiving but I'd suggest you look in the mirror regarding hyper sensitivity.

Have a good day.

[Riptide]

Well, continue to live in your own bubble. I'm sure you'll easily find "information" and people to reinforce your world view and make you feel good about yourself.

LOL okay guy.

I don't disagree with most of your post either btw. What we've seen here is the definition of vaccine change to fit the drug we have. If you want to deny that then by all means continue right along.

Doesn't change the facts. It's the best we have right now and is all we have. Considering the lack of efficacy in preventing any symptoms or spread vs. traditional vaccines for things like polio, it's a disappointment.

I'm still going to get it because I'd prefer to do whatever I can at this point to help reduce symptoms if I end up getting this.

[Riptide]

Wait, I asked a question and that's an attack? And just because you give an explanation that fits your narrative does not make your statement valid.

Regardless, I'm not having a silly argument on Thanksgiving but I'd suggest you look in the mirror regarding hyper sensitivity.

Have a good day.

It's easy to misconstrue skepticism and criticism as an attack and coming from a position of defense in this thread where I'm essentially outnumbered, perhaps I was a little overboard in my suggestion there.

Have a good thanksgiving too btw.

[Java Cool Dude]

Some people in this thread try way too ****ing hard to be funny or clown others for their opinions.

And some people are straight up angry assholes who should take a chill pill and seek professional counseling before the inevitable mental breakdown!

[Java Cool Dude]

I just read an article about a new variant of concern coming out of South Africa; problem is, I already booked non-refundable flights to Johansberg and Cape Town in about 3 weeks from now!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/south-africa-scientists-detect-new-covid-19-variant/a-59934908

[pax]

I just read an article about a new variant of concern coming out of South Africa; problem is, I already booked non-refundable flights to Johansberg and Cape Town in a out 3 weeks from now!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw....ant/a-59934908

Dang 90% of new cases there are this variant:

Prof. Christina Pagel
@chrischirp
·
Nov 25, 2021
Replying to @chrischirp
The sheer increase on these charts is very worrying and suggests that B.1.1.529 might have significant advantages over Delta and C.1.2. What exactly this advantage is and how it breaks down between immune escape and transmissibility is not yet known.

BUT 9/16
Prof. Christina Pagel
@chrischirp
We do know that B.1.529 has many more mutations than other variants *and* has mutations seen in other variants that are associated with BOTH higher transmissibility AND immune escape.

It's the number and type of mutations that are worrying the virologists & immunologists 10/16

Do some now still think we should experiment with letting people who had the virus go unvaccinated? This was easily predictable and is the result of letting too large a reservoir go on untreated. We may rue the day we delayed vaccinating the third world and vaccine mandates. And telling people who had an early form of the infection they can go unvaccinated is just adding insult to that injury.

[Java Cool Dude]

Considering the lack of efficacy in preventing any symptoms or spread vs. traditional vaccines for things like polio, it's a disappointment.

I am as pro vaccine as anyone could get, but that right there stings a little.
My wife and I got our boosters (third shot really) and my kids (9 and 13) are vaccinated but there is no end in sight for this virus.

[bill dennison]

Dang 90% of new cases there are this variant:





Do some now still think we should experiment with letting people who had the virus go unvaccinated? This was easily predictable and is the result of letting too large a reservoir go on untreated. We may rue the day we delayed vaccinating the third world and vaccine mandates. And telling people who had an early form of the infection they can go unvaccinated is just adding insult to that injury.

no arrest them now and force vaccinat all of them no matter what or if they have other medical problems even if 1% to 6% die we are safer


and isn't this the second variant out of South Africa we need to nuke South Africa now and any other places making variants

[Riptide]

no arrest them now and force vaccinat all of them

Are you sure it's arrest them and not hold them down forcibly and inject them for their own good? lol

I'm sure he'll explain he doesn't mean either. At least I assume so.

At this point there is a positive angle to all of this and that is we aren't dealing with captain trips. At least not that we know of, yet. We'd be in a LOT worse shape if the fatality rate was really up there like that.

[bill dennison]

Are you sure it's arrest them and not hold them down forcibly and inject them for their own good? lol

I'm sure he'll explain he doesn't mean either. At least I assume so.

At this point there is a positive angle to all of this and that is we aren't dealing with captain trips. At least not that we know of, yet. We'd be in a LOT worse shape if the fatality rate was really up there like that.

at this point i would say 50% to 75% of the unvaccinated will never get it voluntary .

so when i see people asking if we can let people go unvaccinated all i can think is they want to force them physically

[SD-[Inc]]

at this point i would say 50% to 75% of the unvaccinated will never get it voluntary .

so when i see people asking if we can let people go unvaccinated all i can think is they want to force them physically

Who said that? No one is forcing anyone. Mandates are a way to keep work environment safe. Even then, you can always quit your job. Many are. It's a lot easy just to be responsible and take the shot. But, everyone still has choices.

[Riptide]

so when i see people asking if we can let people go unvaccinated all i can think is they want to force them physically

I'm sure some people might be in favor of that. The others are more in favor of manipulation in the form of denying the ability to make a living so you basically just end up under a bridge somewhere sooner or later like a third class citizen.

[SD-[Inc]]

I'm sure some people might be in favor of that. The others are more in favor of manipulation in the form of denying the ability to make a living so you basically just end up under a bridge somewhere sooner or later like a third class citizen.

You figured out our evil plan. Isolate you under a bridge where you can no longer give anyone Covid. We are so brilliant with these evil plans. Bet you never saw that coming!

[Riptide]

Oh, I'm sure it wouldn't hurt your feelings much if someone did end up under a bridge because they refused to get with the program and take the drug. I guess that's the price of 'progress' then.

[Greasy]

I am as pro vaccine as anyone could get, but that right there stings a little.
My wife and I got our boosters (third shot really) and my kids (9 and 13) are vaccinated but there is no end in sight for this virus.

The efficacy of these shots doesn't seem to be all that great. Went from "we're good", to well "we might be ok" in a hurry.

I was reading about a new vaccine being worked on in Germany that creates T-Cells instead of just antibodies. That might be promising if it all pans out.

[pax]

at this point i would say 50% to 75% of the unvaccinated will never get it voluntary .

so when i see people asking if we can let people go unvaccinated all i can think is they want to force them physically

You give them rules. Get the vaccine and you get the same freedoms. Dont and you lose some basic things like air and train and international travel, cant go to sports events or concerts and job restrictions or anything crowd related that can produce a super spreader event. Basic testing requirements and mask mandates until they are vaccinated.

Thats orders of magnitude less offensive than getting fines and being arrested for minor offenses like unpaid fines. That wont ever work.

In this case first thing is stop all travel to and from South Africa.

[pax]

The efficacy of these shots doesn't seem to be all that great. Went from "we're good", to well "we might be ok" in a hurry.

I was reading about a new vaccine being worked on in Germany that creates T-Cells instead of just antibodies. That might be promising if it all pans out.

Depends on the study you look at:

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1462794707982032903?s=20&fbclid=IwAR3R-FzWYXTuBNTskpdT-RJXIRS62ubDElMMruGfa-dIuYvnxDESKpKTeyY

Chise ���������� MFF
@sailorrooscout
A study out of Northwestern University shows post-booster antibody levels not only exceeded antibody levels documented after natural infection with COVID-19, but after two doses of vaccine, AND levels after both natural infection AND vaccination as well.

Let’s talk about that!��
10:46 AM · Nov 22, 2021·Twitter for iPhone

[12Bass]

That all said, I'm disappointed my parents did not get the drug. They are in the age group that could be in real trouble from this and now look at them. In the hospital totally miserable sick as hell. We're all worried about them. While I have not taken the drug yet I now have scheduled my first dose of moderna on dec 2nd. I go into it knowing what to expect, this is not going to keep me from getting sick. It will keep me from going to the hosptial and dieing. So, off I go. I'll have to risk the long term side effects including any unknowns at this point.

Currently, Moderna provides the best protection against COVID-19 from what I gather, perhaps due in part to having a larger dose of mRNA. Vaccines using mRNA have been in use for many years now and the technology has proven to be safe and effective. After two shots of Moderna, your chances of getting sick are quite low, and chances of dying from COVID-19 extremely low; even one dose provides good protection from hospitalization and death. Further, the effects of COVID, both short and long-term, are much, much, more serious than Moderna, at least from what has been reported thus far. From a risk/benefit analysis, getting a Moderna shot is a no-brainer unless you have an underlying medical condition somehow associated with heightened risk from the vaccine. Most people will be exposed to the virus and it would be foolish to not have some protection against it.

[bill dennison]

The efficacy of these shots doesn't seem to be all that great. Went from "we're good", to well "we might be ok" in a hurry.

I was reading about a new vaccine being worked on in Germany that creates T-Cells instead of just antibodies. That might be promising if it all pans out.

a ... a..... a ......... i'll pass on resident evil thank you

[Java Cool Dude]

a ... a..... a ......... i'll pass on resident evil thank you

Lmfao, I just got that reference!

[bill dennison]

You give them rules. Get the vaccine and you get the same freedoms. Dont and you lose some basic things like air and train and international travel, cant go to sports events or concerts and job restrictions or anything crowd related that can produce a super spreader event. Basic testing requirements and mask mandates until they are vaccinated.

Thats orders of magnitude less offensive than getting fines and being arrested for minor offenses like unpaid fines. That wont ever work.

In this case first thing is stop all travel to and from South Africa.

they won't do that might apeer racist ......

......
as for the first taking freedoms like travel, sports events or concerts and take their jobs that won't fly courts will overturn that fast and most states won't do it

[Java Cool Dude]

they won't do that might apeer racist ......

......
as for the first taking freedoms like travel, sports events or concerts and take their jobs that won't fly courts will overturn that fast and most states won't do it

UK and Israel already banned travel from SA. Now I have to fight British Airways for my money back or some crappy voucher.

[pax]

a ... a..... a ......... i'll pass on resident evil thank you

LOL

And I bet that wont be cheap.