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    Has Fauci lost weight? He looks thinner and younger than I remember....
    My world is a world of concepts and principles, not a battlefield - "war" is simply the wrong metaphor for where I'm coming from.

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      I agree with thinner, but not with younger.

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        If I were him, I'd be funneling some of that funding into secret de-aging research. If at some point you start noticing him looking like he's in better shape, you'll know where your tax dollars have been going.
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          Originally posted by SubCog View Post
          If I were him, I'd be funneling some of that funding into secret de-aging research. If at some point you start noticing him looking like he's in better shape, you'll know where your tax dollars have been going.
          This is where you don't understand. He is actually 330 years old.

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            Not going to lie, anti-vaxxers are getting a little bit into my head and I'm watching my son like a hawk.
            I contacted his school teacher to also keep an eye on him and send him to the nurse at any sign of discomfort.
            I also scheduled him for a doctor's check up this Wednesday to make sure everything is ok.
            My kids are my insides and I can't go on living if, God forbids, any harms befalls them

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              I got both my kids vaccinated last Friday. Found the first center with shots available.

              No side effects all weekend.

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                Lost a old friend of mine today. Fool would not get vaccinated and it cost him his life. It's insane.

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                  Originally posted by kytprice View Post
                  Lost a old friend of mine today. Fool would not get vaccinated and it cost him his life. It's insane.
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                    Originally posted by kytprice View Post
                    Lost a old friend of mine today. Fool would not get vaccinated and it cost him his life. It's insane.
                    Sorry kyt

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                      Originally posted by kytprice View Post
                      Lost a old friend of mine today. Fool would not get vaccinated and it cost him his life. It's insane.
                      Sorry for your loss man. Sad he had to learn the hard way.

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                        Damn man. My condolences
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                          Originally posted by kytprice View Post
                          Lost a old friend of mine today. Fool would not get vaccinated and it cost him his life. It's insane.
                          Crap, when will it end... sorry kt.

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                            Originally posted by kytprice View Post
                            Lost a old friend of mine today. Fool would not get vaccinated and it cost him his life. It's insane.
                            Condolences.

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                              Damn... condolences.
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                                There are two big lessons that I take coming out of this pandemic:

                                #1: We are all in this **** together. Whenever I go into a restaurant or fast food place where a bunch of workers are running around sweating in masks for most likely minimum wage. I tip 20-30% regardless of service. It's a small way to pay it forward.

                                #2: The pandemic gave people an opportunity to raise their voice and loudly proclaim: "I don't give a **** about anyone but myself." I was surprised how many people are like this. But, I am glad they came forward as it made it easier to exorcise them from my life.

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                                  Originally posted by kytprice View Post
                                  Lost a old friend of mine today. Fool would not get vaccinated and it cost him his life. It's insane.
                                  Sorry man.

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                                    Damn sorry to hear that and my sincerest condolences.

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                                      Thanks guys

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                                        Sorry Kytprice....goddam politics getting in the way of health...things are so f'ed up when this kind of stuff is going on.
                                        Take what you want...and then pay for it...

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                                          we've all heard of people who've caught covid and got really sick, then begging to get vaccinated, but well, that's not how it works.

                                          Still it's tough to lose someone, even more so if it would've been avoidable.

                                          Sorry to hear about your loss, Kyt.


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                                            they got two pill treatments now and being used in other countries





                                            and we are spending billions buying them why are they not using them

                                            .........
                                            Sorry Kytprice


                                            my uncle went in 3 days with it and was unvaccinated and a 94 year old ww2 vet with dementia
                                            why the VA let him refuse and not call my dad his power of attorney medical and financial i don't know or find out now

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                                              Originally posted by bill dennison View Post
                                              they got two pill treatments now and being used in other countries





                                              and we are spending billions buying them why are they not using them

                                              .........
                                              Sorry Kytprice


                                              my uncle went in 3 days with it and was unvaccinated and a 94 year old ww2 vet with dementia
                                              why the VA let him refuse and not call my dad his power of attorney medical and financial i don't know or find out now
                                              Is there any benefit to the Merck's pills when Pfizer's is that much better?!

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                                                Originally posted by Java Cool Dude View Post
                                                Is there any benefit to the Merck's pills when Pfizer's is that much better?!
                                                I think it might be they want multiple suppliers in case one of them has production problems like the JNJ vax had early on.

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                                                  The new treatment pills are a double edged sword. Those that are already vaccine hesitant will take this news and harden their views. This will cause the spread of the virus to continue killing vulnerable people still. The pill is not a 100% cure. A lower percentage will die. But if the virus continues to spread, people will die. The only way to end the deaths is to end the virus.

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                                                    The vaccine is not a 100% cure either.

                                                    I don't know much about the treatment pill, but if there's an alternative to the vaccine, that is a good thing - it'll give people who do not want the vaccine a way around it.

                                                    The vaccine has not halted the spread of the virus, and there are plenty of vulnerable people incapable of getting it. Treatment pills that can help people survive the virus are a much needed solution.

                                                    You can't end the virus. That ship sailed over a year ago.
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                                                      Originally posted by Nunz View Post
                                                      The vaccine is not a 100% cure either.

                                                      I don't know much about the treatment pill, but if there's an alternative to the vaccine, that is a good thing - it'll give people who do not want the vaccine a way around it.

                                                      The vaccine has not halted the spread of the virus, and there are plenty of vulnerable people incapable of getting it. Treatment pills that can help people survive the virus are a much needed solution.

                                                      You can't end the virus. That ship sailed over a year ago.

                                                      The vaccine is not a 1% cure
                                                      you can still get it and can then spread just as much as the unvaxxed and maybe more so as if you are vaccinated you are more likely to be asymptomatic and still spread it




                                                      the only thing the vaccine does is stop you from getting very sick with it 90% of the time


                                                      i don't care about the unvaxxed it is their life .

                                                      ...
                                                      and That ship sailed when it left wuhan .
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                                                        Originally posted by bill dennison View Post
                                                        The vaccine is not a 1% cure
                                                        you can still get it and can then spread just as much as the unvaxxed and maybe more so as if you are vaccinated you are more likely to be asymptomatic and still spread it




                                                        the only thing the vaccine does is stop you from getting very sick with it 90% of the time


                                                        i don't care about the unvaxxed it is their life .

                                                        ...
                                                        and That ship sailed when it left wuhan .
                                                        Agreed. It does not prevent the spread of the virus. That narrative is false and needs to stop. The vaccine is only good for helping survivability. Still good to have, but it will not stop the spread of the virus.
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                                                          Vaccines reduce but not eliminate the spread of COVID, even the more contagious Delta variant:

                                                          Publishing date is 23 October 2021

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                                                            Originally posted by Java Cool Dude View Post
                                                            Vaccines reduce but not eliminate the spread of COVID, even the more contagious Delta variant:

                                                            Publishing date is 23 October 2021
                                                            I'm sorry, but the study that article references is not a peer-reviewed study. If the study went the other way, I'm sure you'd throw it out for that very reason.
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                                                              Originally posted by Nunz View Post
                                                              If the study went the other way, I'm sure you'd throw it out for that very reason.
                                                              You would assume that and you would be wrong; when it comes to COVID, too many "knowns" have changed in the past two years to consider anything static.

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                                                                total BS if you have it you can spread it vaccinated or not .


                                                                vaccine may stop a few from getting it with a very light contact but if you are around someone that has it all day you will get it even if you are both vaccinated or not

                                                                from both mine and my dads doctors when he got it and gave it to me and we were both vaccinated most of the poeple that were coming in with it at that time were vaccinated

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                                                                  It’s a novel virus that everyone will catch eventually if we don’t control spread. Treatment is a great option. But still will be too late for some people. Getting vaccinated is still the best option.

                                                                  PS. The same people that gripe about “untested” vaccines will not hesitate for one second to take an equally “untested” treatment pill once they get sick.

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                                                                    Originally posted by xCLAVEx View Post
                                                                    Agreed. It does not prevent the spread of the virus. That narrative is false and needs to stop. The vaccine is only good for helping survivability. Still good to have, but it will not stop the spread of the virus.
                                                                    If I understand correctly, vaccinated folks who get infected transmit far lower volumes of the vaccine, making them less likely to infect others, and even if they do infect someone, that person will likely have a more mild infection, due to the smaller volume of viruses.

                                                                    Alot of people don't know that the amount of virus you get infected by makes a GIGANTIC difference in how sick you get. It's not hard to understand. Think about how the virus reproduces inside your body, and factor whatever the doubling rate is. Now consider whatever viral-load the infection has to achieve to cause you symptoms, hospitalization, or death. The higher volume of virus you initially get hit with, the less time it will take for the virus to reproduce to the level where it can harm you... the lower the initial hit, the longer time your body has to R&D antibodies to kill the virus.

                                                                    So lets say you get infected from someone wearing a mask. Many of the viruses are caught by the mask, and the viruses that get through the mask are dispersed through the air, moving slowly, in all different directions.

                                                                    Now lets say you're infected from someone sneezing a giant wad of snot directly into your mouth. You're likely looking at a billion times higher initial viral it than if you had been infected by the guy wearing the mask. Your body has WAAAAY less time to develop antibodies now, and you're about to die.

                                                                    The vaccine works by reducing the time that your body needs to ramp-up production of antibodies, thus giving you a massive advantage in being able to defeat the infection before it grows to a level that can kill you. Your lower overall max viral load will also mean you're transmitting lower viral loads to others around you.
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                                                                      Originally posted by bill dennison View Post
                                                                      total BS if you have it you can spread it vaccinated or not .


                                                                      vaccine may stop a few from getting it with a very light contact but if you are around someone that has it all day you will get it even if you are both vaccinated or not

                                                                      from both mine and my dads doctors when he got it and gave it to me and we were both vaccinated most of the people that were coming in with it at that time were vaccinated
                                                                      Again, this is what the most recent non-peer-reviewed research says:

                                                                      "Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory."

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                                                                        Originally posted by bill dennison View Post
                                                                        total BS if you have it you can spread it vaccinated or not .


                                                                        vaccine may stop a few from getting it with a very light contact but if you are around someone that has it all day you will get it even if you are both vaccinated or not

                                                                        from both mine and my dads doctors when he got it and gave it to me and we were both vaccinated most of the poeple that were coming in with it at that time were vaccinated

                                                                        Exactly why more vaccinated people is better. If you are constantly being exposed to infected people you are going to get it eventually. With Delta it’s a 100% chance you will be infected if you are unvaccinated. And, infection will occur even with a small exposure. But, if you get exposed enough there is still a very good chance to get infected even if you are vaccinated. So, the less you get exposed to the virus the better. A bunch of unvaccinated people only make the spread easier. If contact with the virus is rare, your vaccine will be effective. If you are around a bunch of infected people, it won’t be. It’s why case rates in unvaccinated areas are so high.

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                                                                          I'm glad Delta wasn't around last year when I had exposure for an entire weekend and a 5+ hours in my truck with an infected friend of mine. We thought it was bad then before Delta kicked it up a notch or 1000...

                                                                          I'm up for a booster later this month.

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                                                                            Things not looking good in Vermont.



                                                                            The slow burn across the US continues. Keeping my eye on that new dot on Alabama.

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                                                                              Statewide, those driving the surge include people in their 20s, who are the least vaccinated among Vermont adults, as well as children ages 5 to 11, who are just now eligible to get vaccinated, Dr. Mark Levine, Vermont's health commissioner, said Tuesday.


                                                                              Cold weather is really helping delta find the un-vaxxed. But no surprise CO is getting more coverage as the single digit mortality numbers (for now) of VT just doesn't grab headlines as much. Article also mentions increasing break through infections which is why CO and some other states are allowing boosters for all despite CDC recommendations.

                                                                              Hopefully the AL spike is temporary, you wouldn't think there would be much tinder there but if it blows up that would really really suck.

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                                                                                This graph is a little bit encouraging. It shows all of the inconveniences we suffered did make a difference. The red line shows daily cases and the yellow line shows 7 day deaths per 100K. At the very beginning of the pandemic, deaths dramatically outpaced cases in this view. The data in May 2020 is the result we would have had if we did nothing. The country locked down and the surge in Jun/July 2020 and the death rate didn't climb as bad proportionally to the cases. The delta exploded the cases in Dec 2020 but deaths, as compared to cases, improved again. The latest surge of unvaccinated shows even more improvement as proportional deaths dropped even more. Better treatments and vaccinations are making a difference. Given current politics, herd immunity is a pipe dream. So, it's data like this we should watch because eventually most everyone gets this virus.

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                                                                                  The key to these new pills is taking them within the first 3-5 days. Since lab tests take 3-4 days, a rapid test is your best bet if you're feeling ill.

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