Official Thread: Coronavirus "COVID-19"

[acroig]

I have long covid. My sense of smell has not been the same since I recovered. Things still smell like burnt eggs frequently and many meat items have a similar taste. I've gotten used to it by now, but I still notice it.

[AllexxisF1]

I have long covid. My sense of smell has not been the same since I recovered. Things still smell like burnt eggs frequently and many meat items have a similar taste. I've gotten used to it by now, but I still notice it.

Dude that's terrible. I hope it eventually goes away.

[pax]

I have long covid. My sense of smell has not been the same since I recovered. Things still smell like burnt eggs frequently and many meat items have a similar taste. I've gotten used to it by now, but I still notice it.

The vaccine has been known to correct long covid issues so make sure to get it. Many who have had the infection think they dont need the vaccine but it can still be quite beneficial.

[kytprice]

That's odd food tastes bland to me after Covid. Nothing and I mean nothing has any taste. Or it could just be me getting older. They say you lose your sense of taste as you age. Whatever it is it sucks!

[Lupine]

On Point had a very good podcast a couple days ago: "The importance of fixing bad COVID math". Really worth a listen.

https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510053/on-point

[xCLAVEx]

The vaccine has been known to correct long covid issues so make sure to get it. Many who have had the infection think they dont need the vaccine but it can still be quite beneficial.

I got the vaccine months ago.

[SubCog]

The vaccine has been known to correct long covid issues so make sure to get it. Many who have had the infection think they dont need the vaccine but it can still be quite beneficial.

I've never heard that before. Links?

[Lupine]

I've never heard that before. Links?

I hadn't heard that either. Good news if true. A quick search popped this link from April. I'd assume more info is available now.

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/vaccines-long-covid

[xCLAVEx]

Well in my case, it's not true. Vaccine had no effect on my schlong covid symptoms.

[pax]

I've never heard that before. Links?

Id read on it last spring but heres one link from nature:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01511-z

What about the impact of vaccines in people who already have long COVID? A UK survey of more than 800 people with long COVID, which has not been peer reviewed, reported in May that 57% saw an overall improvement in their symptoms, 24% no change and 19% a deterioration after their first dose of vaccine12. In April, Akrami’s team launched a systematic survey to shed more light. “People need to get vaccinated to come out of the pandemic, but we need to first address their concern of whether the vaccine is going to help, or not harm, or [be] harmful.”

Not a silver bullet but if I had long covid Id give it a shot pun intended...

[acroig]

Well in my case, it's not true. Vaccine had no effect on my schlong covid symptoms.

I don't think the vaccine can help you with that small pen0s, sorry.

[andino]

I don't think the vaccine can help you with that small pen0s, sorry.

He may have a leaner.

[Greasy]

[bill dennison]

well i have had two shots of pfizer vaccine in April and then had the Chipotle Delta covid in August with a side Monoclonal antibodies at that time

they will have to show me good proof and not just some mouthpiece tv doctors word i need more shots before i rush out for more

[ugly]

Breakthrough Infections Occur in Those with Lower Antibody Levels, Israeli Study Shows

Part of the study discusses the information in the title about antibody levels. But there were some interesting parts about transmission and vaccination:

Importantly, in all cases for which there were relevant data, the source of the breakthrough infection was thought to be an unvaccinated person. In fact, more than half of those who developed a breakthrough infection appeared to have become infected from an unvaccinated member of their own household.

Other cases were suspected to arise from exposure to an unvaccinated coworker or patient. Contact tracing found no evidence that any of the 39 health care workers with a breakthrough infection passed it on to anyone else.

[xCLAVEx]

I don't think the vaccine can help you with that small pen0s, sorry.

Bah, didn't even notice the auto correct when I typed that on my phone wtf. Been pulling 14 hours, then 12 hour shift, then half day on Saturday, then another 11 hours, then 10 hours, and who knows how long I'll be at the office today.

I need rest.

[AllexxisF1]

well i have had two shots of pfizer vaccine in April and then had the Chipotle Delta covid in August with a side Monoclonal antibodies at that time

they will have to show me good proof and not just some mouthpiece tv doctors word i need more shots before i rush out for more

Between the vaccine and your own anti-bodies, you're about as protected as protected can be. Especially against future variants.

I'm telling you guys watch the science on this change in the coming months where they tell folks to get the vaccine to save your life, then go out and contract COVID.

The best defense against future variants is to get the disease and produce antigens for the other 27 proteins that the vaccine doesn't cover.

What would be even more interesting if there's new guidance about Vitamin D and those folks with darker skin that suffer from that production. Like my Wife, who was just diagnosed with low vitamin D and is taking prescribed supplement now.

[Nunz]

They're never going to tell people to "go out and contract COVID".

[pax]

Between the vaccine and your own anti-bodies, you're about as protected as protected can be. Especially against future variants.

I'm telling you guys watch the science on this change in the coming months where they tell folks to get the vaccine to save your life, then go out and contract COVID.

The best defense against future variants is to get the disease and produce antigens for the other 27 proteins that the vaccine doesn't cover.

What would be even more interesting if there's new guidance about Vitamin D and those folks with darker skin that suffer from that production. Like my Wife, who was just diagnosed with low vitamin D and is taking prescribed supplement now.

Some vaccines may cover more proteins than others they said moderna has a leg up in some ways but didnt say how as thats probably a secret ip. Also Id expect reformulated vaccines that targets more recent variants next year. Better that than catching it if your vulnerable.

[SubCog]

Well in my case, it's not true. Vaccine had no effect on my schlong covid symptoms.

I don't think the vaccine can help you with that small pen0s, sorry.

[AllexxisF1]

Some vaccines may cover more proteins than others they said moderna has a leg up in some ways but didnt say how as thats probably a secret ip. Also Id expect reformulated vaccines that targets more recent variants next year. Better that than catching it if your vulnerable.

I was under the assumption that all current RNA vaccines target only the spike protein?

[acroig]

Bah, didn't even notice the auto correct when I typed that on my phone wtf. Been pulling 14 hours, then 12 hour shift, then half day on Saturday, then another 11 hours, then 10 hours, and who knows how long I'll be at the office today.

I need rest.

[pax]

I was under the assumption that all current RNA vaccines target only the spike protein?

Yea not sure we can find out if both MRNA vaccines target the same spike protein and it maybe due to the fact Moderna went with a higher dose than Pfizer, 100 micrograms vs 30.

https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/02/comparing-the-covid-19-vaccines-developed-by-pfizer-moderna-and-johnson-johnson/

The primary series of both the Moderna and the Pfizer vaccines is two shots: a priming dose, followed by a booster shot. The interval between Moderna doses is 28 days; for the Pfizer vaccine, it’s 21 days.

Each dose of Pfizer’s contains 30 micrograms of vaccine. Moderna went with a much larger dose of vaccine, 100 micrograms. It means the company is using a little more than three times as much vaccine per person as Pfizer is. While Moderna’s initial results didn’t seem to justify the much larger dose, data suggest the protection the company’s vaccine generates is declining at a slower rate than Pfizer’s is; some experts believe the higher dose may be at least partially responsible.

[12Bass]

Longer spacing also helps. BC found that eight weeks is the sweet spot for maximum efficacy.

[Java Cool Dude]

Unvaccinated people who had survived a previous COVID-19 infection were more than five times more likely to be reinfected with the virus compared to those who were fully vaccinated with the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, according to a new study published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

That's very interesting as I was under the impression natural immunity is better and lasts longer!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vaccine-protection-covid-19-natural-immunity-cdc-study/

[bill dennison]

That's very interesting as I was under the impression natural immunity is better and lasts longer!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vaccine...ity-cdc-study/

Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine—but vaccination remains vital

https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

sorry i think any more the CDC only says what they are told to say by the politicos

true or not and they have contradicted themselves too many times

[koralis]

That's very interesting as I was under the impression natural immunity is better and lasts longer!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vaccine...ity-cdc-study/

They don't distinguish between virus variants, and unvaccinated seem more likely to engage in riskier behavior. No masks, crowds, etc.

Aquired immunity to alpha may not mean much VS delta. Rna vaccines target only one relatively unchanging feature

[Java Cool Dude]

sorry i think any more the CDC only says what they are told to say by the politicos

true or not and they have contradicted themselves too many times

I will continue to reject right-wing conspiracies and listen to what medical experts are saying

[SubCog]

sorry i think any more the CDC only says what they are told to say by the politicos

true or not and they have contradicted themselves too many times

So which source do you prefer to get your facts from? I think I already know, but I would like you to come out and say it, just to have it on record.

[bill dennison]

]So which source do you prefer to get your facts from[/B]? I think I already know, but I would like you to come out and say it, just to have it on record.

my doctor

[Java Cool Dude]

my doctor

Your doctor performed a peer-reviewed large scale study and determined natural immunity is superior to vaccines or vice versa? Can you link to it?

[SubCog]

my doctor

Does your doctor also sell crystals? Or maybe pillows?

[bill dennison]

Does your doctor also sell crystals? Or maybe pillows?

no he works at the VA




i don't care what TV doctors say any more than Marcus Welby or that ass fauci

[12Bass]

Scientists and medical experts change their minds based on new evidence. This is not a sign of weakness or politicization; it is how rational people operate when new information is discovered. Little was known about SARS‐CoV‐2 at the outset of the pandemic, so the recommendations of health authorities have changed as they have gained new knowledge about means of infection and spread. This aspect of changing public health recommendations based on new evidence is a feature, not a bug...

[Lazy8s]

The last few posts are a great example of why I rarely bother to enter these discussions any more.

First we dealt with astonishment that people could actually take facebook and YouTube random posts as “truth” over medical experts.

We got, and still get angry over people who refuse to simply inform themselves and take advantage of a life saving vaccine.

Now, apparently, we have someone who, like many, has been through COVID-19 hell, is reading research papers and listening to his doctor, and keyboard warriors who are not doctors themselves attack for doing what they said he should be doing all along.

I don’t always agree with 12bass, but he’s 100% correct here. We’re (the professionals) are still figuring this out, and taking into account new information as it becomes available. And Fauci may or may not be an ass, but he is a highly educated, extremely experienced ass with the weight of the pandemic and public opinion, often uninformed, on his shoulders.

So, kudos to 12bass and anyone else who is at least posting coherent, legitimate points to consider. Everyone else who gets a kick out of singling people out so you can feel smart, not so much.

[Nunz]

I felt the same. Bunch of pompous assholes in this thread.

[Java Cool Dude]

Anyway, back to science; here's an article addressed to concerned parents like me who are having doubts about getting their young kids vaccinated.

https://time.com/6111965/vaccinate-kids-against-covid-19/

[Payne3d]

sorry i think any more the CDC only says what they are told to say by the politicos

agreed... they get hired after they leave the government or they're former employees of companies they are supposed to regulate.

Kind of like Trump's HHS secretary Alex Azar...a former pharmaceutical executive. But we should ignore all that.

true or not and they have contradicted themselves too many times

i mean that's how science works...fauci , though, is garbage.

[acroig]

fauci , though, is garbage.

And why is that exactly?

[SubCog]

And why is that exactly?

There is a very obvious answer, although we're not allowed to discuss this here, without going into p&r territory.