Official Thread: Coronavirus "COVID-19"

[acroig]

Yeah, what the man said.

[12Bass]

The problem is that you are unclear on what you originally wrote. I understand that you are saying that in the first bolded part of "To most people..." you're saying that the opinion of these people is that it is just a flu. However, English being the way it is, the second reading of that, even in the context of everything you wrote, can also come off as not being about the opinion of other people about covid, but rather how for some people who are infected with Covid it is "just a flu" to them. Once infected, they only suffer symptoms that are like the seasonal flu. I mean, you literally go on in the most recent post to say this exact thing, so.... are we confused, or are you?

The only triggered child I see is the mod who should know better to insinuate about cognitive abilities and reading comprehension or popping off every time that their opinion is rebutted.

And don't even get me started on why your statements belie the fact that whatever 'research' or 'news' you watch undermine every ounce of credibility or credence one may put towards you... No matter how many (likely) you put in something, no matter how much you want to make it so, there has been no conclusive evidence towards it being engineered in a lab. Those additions to the OP just make it even easier for others to assume what your intent was in the first place as it stems from a mindset that seeks to often deny reality because of their political leaning and preferred "news" sources, many of which still parrot the "just a flu" esque narrative to downplay what has taken too god damned many lives.

Agreed.

The way MyTMouse's post was written, it was unclear that he was stating others' opinions rather than his own, minimizing the severity of the pandemic. Then he went on about a lab conspiracy theory, which gave further evidence that his own view comes from a deep (and largely political) rabbit hole of denial and misinformation. The wording and narrative tone in his posts are all-too-familiar, betraying the contaminated ideological well from which they came.

FWIW, I used critical thinking to come to this view...

[Crawdaddy79]

FWIW, I used critical thinking to come to this view...

Someone get this guy an award, stat!

[bill dennison]

thanks again guys

been a bad year for us my mom died June 6th non Covid
then my dad bringing home Covid from kidney dialysis and spending 27 days in 3 trips to the hospital
giving it to me 4 or 5 days later wasn't a big deal I and the VA's monoclonal antibodies shock it off fast

now my uncle dies with Covid but nor sure it was from Covid as he had no Covid symptoms it was mostly his kidneys had shut down they say
and waking up confused with dementia and pulling his IV out and doing a lot of damage doing it I think
he lost a lot of blood and they couldn't get another iv in


my dad is slowly getting better but I have to drive to Sheridan Wyoming to sign lots of crap and pack up his papers and some of his stuff and be the only family one at the funeral
my dad is not well enough to go and his own kidney dialysis almost bars all travel and my sister can come over and visit but is too disabled to take care of him so I just spent 3k+ on a live in nurse for 7 days

and I have to take the dogs as the nurse won't take care of them and some fear dogs, don't know if I would pass a covid test to fly anyway but taking the dogs is driving only as I won't put my dogs in cargo

it will be almost 5 weeks by then since I popped positive but dad was still showed positive the last time he was in the hospital even if they took him off of quarantine and he is back to hid normal kidney dialysis center
they say he may test positive for months but not be contagious

[Greasy]

thanks guys


he passed peacefully last night

May he rest in peace. He's earned it. A true man of courage and honor. Don't make many like him anymore.

[acroig]

May he rest in peace. He's earned it. A true man of courage and honor. Don't make many like him anymore.

This.

[Crawdaddy79]

This current outbreak seems to be the slowest moving... basically started in Lousiana and Florida and held strong for a month. Now Tennessee is hurting, with Kentucky almost in the same situation.

I find it strange the mid-Atlantic states seem to have borders that keep the outbreak out.

Ignore Nebraska... They've stopped counting.

[Lazy8s]

This current outbreak seems to be the slowest moving... basically started in Lousiana and Florida and held strong for a month. Now Tennessee is hurting, with Kentucky almost in the same situation.

I find it strange the mid-Atlantic states seem to have borders that keep the outbreak out.

Ignore Nebraska... They've stopped counting.

I'm surprised FL isn't worse than W.Va and TN.

[pax]

Condolences Bill...

Sadly this isnt over anytime soon. Finally had an outbreak at the nursing home I work at last night. It was inevitable as they had reopened on July 30th. We have many vets in our home as well. They are all vaccinated since last winter but still...

[SubCog]

Honestly I think this may end sooner than people think. Once the vaccine is approved for children, alot of us just won't be willing to wear masks to save moron antivaxxers anymore, and many hospitals may start deprioritizing unvaccinated covid patients.

[koralis]

I'm surprised FL isn't worse than W.Va and TN.

If you look at the mini map on top for Deaths (I'm assuming total), you'll see Florida outstrips W.VA and TN.

You might be witnessing natural immunity starting to kick in from previous exposure.

[Lazy8s]

If you look at the mini map on top for Deaths (I'm assuming total), you'll see Florida outstrips W.VA and TN.

You might be witnessing natural immunity starting to kick in from previous exposure.

I completely misses that one, thanks.

[SD-[Inc]]

This current outbreak seems to be the slowest moving... basically started in Lousiana and Florida and held strong for a month. Now Tennessee is hurting, with Kentucky almost in the same situation.

I find it strange the mid-Atlantic states seem to have borders that keep the outbreak out.

Ignore Nebraska... They've stopped counting.

The virus will find anti-vaxxers wherever they live. Unfortunately a lot of fully vaccinated elderly people will die in the process also. The selfishness of those people is unbelievable.

[SD-[Inc]]

If you look at the mini map on top for Deaths (I'm assuming total), you'll see Florida outstrips W.VA and TN.

You might be witnessing natural immunity starting to kick in from previous exposure.

Death or natural immunity is the Covid strategy in Florida. Eventually it will work.

[acroig]

You might be witnessing natural immunity starting to kick in from previous exposure.

My info may be outdated but Covid immunity from prior exposure (say in 2020) only lasts 6 months AND it's worthless against stronger variants (Delta, Mu, etc.).

[koralis]

My info may be outdated but Covid immunity from prior exposure (say in 2020) only lasts 6 months AND it's worthless against stronger variants (Delta, Mu, etc.).

I think it's outdated. I think the data is saying that prior immunity from alpha doesn't do much VS delta. Have seen studies indicating that natural immunity may be better than the vaccines VS delta, the problem being that you have to risk your life to get it. I think it's better Ness is due to more viruses l features to identify and latch on to. The downside may be that if mu has some different features some won't be in play. The rna vaccines focused on one common feature (the spike) that so far is common in the variants.

[bill dennison]

My info may be outdated but Covid immunity from prior exposure (say in 2020) only lasts 6 months AND it's worthless against stronger variants (Delta, Mu, etc.).

Final conclusions

The findings suggest that natural immunity provides longer-lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease, and hospitalization due to the Delta variant, compared with the protection of the Pfizer-BioNTech two-dose vaccine, the researchers conclude.

In addition, those with natural immunity exhibit additional protection against the Delta variant when given a single dose of the vaccine, according to the results.

The researchers are continuing to investigate the long-term protection provided by a third dose, or booster, of this vaccine.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/delta-variant-what-kind-of-immunity-offers-the-highest-protection

I got Delta ( I think it was Delta ) with two doses of Pfizer vaccine in less than 6 months after second shot
my dad was about 7 months after second shot

[acroig]

Thanks Bill, will read up on it.

[AllexxisF1]

This current outbreak seems to be the slowest moving... basically started in Lousiana and Florida and held strong for a month. Now Tennessee is hurting, with Kentucky almost in the same situation.

I find it strange the mid-Atlantic states seem to have borders that keep the outbreak out.

Ignore Nebraska... They've stopped counting.

Because we live in a place where people are smart and wear cotton borders on their faces.

[dodger]

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/09/idaho-covid-crisis-hospitals-overflowing-with-sicker-younger-patients/

Patients are also dying more. In previous surges, the mortality rate among COVID-19 patients in the ICU was about 28 percent, Souza said. But in the current surge, it's 43 percent. There have been 80 COVID-19 deaths in the system since the beginning of September—four every day—with 35 in the last week. Calculating the estimated years of life lost from the people who died just in September—assuming they would have had average life spans otherwise—it amounts to more than 1,100 life years lost.

I hope things get better up there in Idaho. We seem to have peaked in infections with most states either plateauing or going lower.

[A2597]

Tennessee did really well for first round, second round I feel like out governor decided to tow the line of "Mandate no Mandates", and now we're hurting as a result.

First round he left it up to each county to enact mask mandates, and that worked pretty well. Our county kept the mask mandate more than most of the surrounding counties, and I know it made a difference.

[SubCog]

Tennessee did really well for first round, second round I feel like out governor decided to tow the line of "Mandate no Mandates", and now we're hurting as a result.

First round he left it up to each county to enact mask mandates, and that worked pretty well. Our county kept the mask mandate more than most of the surrounding counties, and I know it made a difference.

I keep thinking about this as well.

I guess it's probably because the original Covid variant was less contagious, and required a certain population-density to gain traction. So big cities got hit really hard, and rural areas slid by without having to do alot of interventions.

With Delta though, it's much more contagious so it can take hold even in rural areas, while everyone in the cities are already vaccinated.

[acroig]

Tennessee did really well for first round, second round I feel like out governor decided to tow the line of "Mandate no Mandates", and now we're hurting as a result.

First round he left it up to each county to enact mask mandates, and that worked pretty well. Our county kept the mask mandate more than most of the surrounding counties, and I know it made a difference.

TN seems like USA Covid ground zero. Southern GA not far behind.

[Crawdaddy79]

Hey guys there's a P&R version of this thread where we can discuss political aspects of COVID. You can find it here (!): https://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=34050679

[12Bass]

FWIW, it's pretty difficult to avoid politics completely since pandemic mitigation efforts have been highly politicized/weaponized.

[Crawdaddy79]

FWIW, it's pretty difficult to avoid politics completely since pandemic mitigation efforts have been highly politicized/weaponized.

It really isn't difficult. If you think of something to say that has any political slant, say it in the other thread.

[Nunz]

It really isn't difficult. If you think of something to say that has any political slant, say it in the other thread.

[SirBaron]

Yeah it's really not difficult.

[acroig]

Please remember we have a report post button so staff can act if needed...

[AllexxisF1]

If I can shut up, anyone can.

[acroig]

If I can shut up, anyone can.

/end thread.

But seriously guys, if it sounds like P&R it probably is P&R and we do have a place for that.

(Robocop voice) Thank you for your cooperation.

[Cyko]

Cleaned it up a bit, but as has been mentioned already: please use the P&R thread for anything conservative/librul/R/D/whatever talk.

Future mentions will have the post deleted, as I’m not paid (at all, lol) to edit posts in a thread where multiple warnings have already been issued.

Thanks all!

[SD-[Inc]]

Anti-vax isn’t 100% political in nature. There are other dumb reasons too. Regardless, stupid people die for stupid reasons all the time. Covid is no different. Not sure it’s a fixable problem so ranting is sort of pointless. The “Hey stupid people, quit being stupid” argument never works. It’s a little surprising the number of people that have decided stupid is their standard operating mode. But it is what it is. Personally, I blame social media for amplifying stupidity. But, that is another unfixable problem, so no use ranting too much again. Luckily I will probably be dead before climate changes makes life for us humans unbearable. I have serious doubts our current culture has the tools required to address this even more complicated problem. In summary, we all gonna die…

[bill dennison]

might help if the powers that be stop lying and or telling people they know what the Frak they are doing about covid and the vaccine

as they don't seen to know the same facts form one day to the next

I seem to remember the vaccine would stop you from getting it = nope
it does keep most from getting it bad like my uncle that for some reason the VA had not given it to him a dementia patient
he was dead in 4 days after getting sick with covid



……….

anyway I have to leave soon for Wyoming for my uncles funeral
24 hour nurse for my dad is costing about 650 a day for 7 days

but he is doing better and walking around on his walker fairly well now just need a little help getting up sometimes and he is eating better
his kidneys are picking back up a little from his trips to the bathroom I think even with the vaccine covid threw his kidneys for a loop

[SubCog]

might help if the powers that be stop lying and or telling people they know what the Frak they are doing about covid and the vaccine

as they don't seen to know the same facts form one day to the next

That's how science works. You have to go out and do actual research to gain knowledge, and that takes time, especially when you're talking about primary research, like what is required while studying a novel virus.

I seem to remember the vaccine would stop you from getting it = nope
it does keep most from getting it bad like my uncle that for some reason the VA had not given it to him a dementia patient
he was dead in 4 days after getting sick with covid

The vaccines did stop you from getting the older covid variants, to a very high degree. Delta is a bit different though, and the vaccines weren't specifically designed for it. It's likely that vaccines designed against Delta would stop you from getting it, but they'd also require another year of testing.

Current vaccines are somewhat less effective against Delta infections, although they virtually guarantee that you won't die or have to be hospitalized. The biggest problem is that vaccinated people can get small Delta infections and then still be contagious, which kindof throws heard-immunity out the window.

These issues are bound to happen with a virus that continues to mutate, and every unvaccinated person is basically a petri dish for the virus to learn to adapt better. If you're really concerned about science not staying ahead of the virus, then you should be strongly advocating for EVERYONE to get vaccinated, so we can reduce the speed of mutation.

[Lazy8s]

might help if the powers that be stop lying and or telling people they know what the Frak they are doing about covid and the vaccine

as they don't seen to know the same facts form one day to the next

I seem to remember the vaccine would stop you from getting it = nope
it does keep most from getting it bad like my uncle that for some reason the VA had not given it to him a dementia patient
he was dead in 4 days after getting sick with covid



……….

anyway I have to leave soon for Wyoming for my uncles funeral
24 hour nurse for my dad is costing about 650 a day for 7 days

but he is doing better and walking around on his walker fairly well now just need a little help getting up sometimes and he is eating better
his kidneys are picking back up a little from his trips to the bathroom I think even with the vaccine covid threw his kidneys for a loop

That sucks about your uncle but it's good to hear your Dad is doing better bill. Stubborn old cuss just like his son, isn't he?

[xCLAVEx]

G/F got her first Moderna vaccine shot today.

[12Bass]

G/F got her first Moderna vaccine shot today.

Good... Moderna is outperforming Pfizer and provides decent protection from serious illness two weeks after the first dose.

[Greasy]

Good... Moderna is outperforming Pfizer and provides decent protection from serious illness two weeks after the first dose.

That's because each dose of Moderna has over 2x the MRNA than you get total with pfizer.

[Java Cool Dude]

That's because each dose of Moderna has over 2x the MRNA than you get total with pfizer.

I feel like Pfizer went with minimal but good-nuff dosage to maximize production and sell more product at ridiculous profit margins.
Vaccines are safe and effective but that doesn't hide the fact that, at the end of the day, Pharmaceutical companies are still for-profit entities and they pull every trick in the book to stuff shareholders' pockets.