Official Thread: Coronavirus "COVID-19"

[Lupine]

In staff meeting this morning, one of my employees tearfully told us that two of her friends, husband and wife, contracted covid recently. Sadly, the husband died within a week. 50-something, no underlying as far as they know. Both, unvaccinated.

What troubled me most, honestly, as that my employee is also unvaccinated, with no plans to do so. I simply cannot get my mind around this.

Similarly, with the new vaccine mandate for teachers in place here in Oregon, two of my wife's fellow teachers, both of whom teach kids in the cannot vaccinate <12yrs old range, have stated that they will quit teaching if they're not able to get a religious exemption. Even though their anti-vax has zero to do with religion (my assessment, based on hearing their conspiracy theories).

[Lazy8s]

I don't envy you your position there Lupine. Condolences to your employees deceased friend.

I don't understand the rationale behind most anti-vax arguments either, but it just makes each death more tragic, because it just didn't have to happen.

[mizzer]

Why is this not considered murder?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...edgdhp&pc=U531

Murder has a 100% death rate.

[andino]

I simply cannot get my mind around this.

None of us can. My wife is looking for new nurses right now because two of the ones she has don't want to take the vaccine. They take care of immunocompromised kiddos at her office and can't have a nurse spreading this crap around. They are simply looking to replace them now.

[Canesfan2020]

The last report i read here was 81&#37; of the cases are non-vaxxed (either yesterday or couple days ago)

So what you're saying is you actually aren't guaranteed to get it if you are exposed no matter what and there is actually a level of prevention (yes, even not 100% but why roll those dice?)

This is also why breakthrough needs to be studied. What if some of those were something like incorrect dosage?

[xCLAVEx]

In staff meeting this morning, one of my employees tearfully told us that two of her friends, husband and wife, contracted covid recently. Sadly, the husband died within a week. 50-something, no underlying as far as they know. Both, unvaccinated.

What troubled me most, honestly, as that my employee is also unvaccinated, with no plans to do so. I simply cannot get my mind around this.

Similarly, with the new vaccine mandate for teachers in place here in Oregon, two of my wife's fellow teachers, both of whom teach kids in the cannot vaccinate <12yrs old range, have stated that they will quit teaching if they're not able to get a religious exemption. Even though their anti-vax has zero to do with religion (my assessment, based on hearing their conspiracy theories).

It's a common misconception among the ignorant that all anti-vaxxers are religious. Many are not, as you found out yourself. Anti-vaxxers are a special kind of nut.

As for your co-workers, well they had opportunities to get the vaccine and didn't so what more is to be said? They made their choice, as sad as it is.

[xCLAVEx]

None of us can. My wife is looking for new nurses right now because two of the ones she has don't want to take the vaccine. They take care of immunocompromised kiddos at her office and can't have a nurse spreading this crap around. They are simply looking to replace them now.

Good luck, there is a nationwide nurse shortage.

[SubCog]

Well, I suppose that's better than taking animal dewormer.

I suppose we can't talk about veterinarian stuff anymore unless we take it to P&R. Add that to the list!

[Canesfan2020]

I suppose we can't talk about veterinarian stuff anymore unless we take it to P&R. Add that to the list!

I'm almost convinced this whole issue as we know it exists because of bots. I was reading the comment section of a site that shall not be named and an interesting thing I saw kept being repeated was "major pharma"

Merck is major pharma..

[dodger]

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/08/covid-costs-billions-so-delta-to-charge-unvaxxed-airline-workers-200-month/

COVID hospitalization averages $20K—and insurers want unvaccinated to pay up

They referenced Peterson Center on Healthcare and Kaiser Family Foundation for the figures. Delta (the airline) is going to charge antivaxxers $200 a month surcharge to stay on their health plan Nov 1.

[Lupine]

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021...ers-200-month/

COVID hospitalization averages $20K—and insurers want unvaccinated to pay up

They referenced Peterson Center on Healthcare and Kaiser Family Foundation for the figures. Delta (the airline) is going to charge antivaxxers $200 a month surcharge to stay on their health plan Nov 1.

Wow, I think this is the first time I've cheered on a ... health insurance co.

We'll probably see some lawsuits, but the writing is definitely on the wall. I think we'll really see vaccination rates jump once state provided insurances jump on the bandwagon.

Shameful that money will be the driver for many, rather than caring about the wellbeing of a neighbor.

[Canesfan2020]

Wow, I think this is the first time I've cheered on a ... health insurance co.

We'll probably see some lawsuits, but the writing is definitely on the wall. I think we'll really see vaccination rates jump once state provided insurances jump on the bandwagon.

Shameful that money will be the driver for many, rather than caring about the wellbeing of a neighbor.

What's their argument going to be? I can't sue you over tobacco premiums but **** non addictive preventative ones? I'd laugh them out of the court, have the lawyer disbarred and everyone committed

[Greasy]

Wow, I think this is the first time I've cheered on a ... health insurance co.

We'll probably see some lawsuits, but the writing is definitely on the wall. I think we'll really see vaccination rates jump once state provided insurances jump on the bandwagon.

Shameful that money will be the driver for many, rather than caring about the wellbeing of a neighbor.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes...

[andino]

My oldest kiddo is Covid positive at college. Turns out one of the people in the OU band tested positive in his section and now he has a positive test as well. Kiddo was vaccinated and he said all he had was a scratchy throat this morning. So he has been in his dorm room all day. He is set to quarantine in his room until Sept 3rd. Apparently like 3/4 of the mellophones are in quarantine. So...

[Nunz]

Rooting for insurance companies is not something I'll ever do. Those ****ing leeches are capitalizing on this ****.

[koralis]

Rooting for insurance companies is not something I'll ever do. Those ****ing leeches are capitalizing on this ****.

Insurance companies are middle men, always have been, and with ACA its legally bound. They calculate likelihood of $X payouts per year and divide that by number of customers to figure the cost-per-customer and tack on their premium to cover costs of running the business and a certain amount of profit. In the case of ACA, that premium is defined by law.

Cost of medical care goes up, does that mean their profit goes down? Hell no. It means the insurance costs of everyone increase. When ACA added a ton of "uninsurable" people to the pool, expected medical payouts increased, so everyone's insurance costs increase. Similarly, each unvaccinated person getting treated at $20k-$50k is costing ALL OF US a huge amount of money. If you're dealing with a small number of expensive cases, it's a blip in the big picture. Covid ain't no blip.

So, yes... anything the insurance companies can do to pressure people into cutting the country's medical bills with an INCREASE in quality of health care is a good thing for everyone.

If some insurance company decides not to follow suit and all of the unvaccinated move to those plans, either they'll be outrageously expensive (and the vaccinated will leave that plan) or the company will simply go out of business due to the unsustainable payouts.

[acroig]

My oldest kiddo is Covid positive at college. Turns out one of the people in the OU band tested positive in his section and now he has a positive test as well. Kiddo was vaccinated and he said all he had was a scratchy throat this morning. So he has been in his dorm room all day. He is set to quarantine in his room until Sept 3rd. Apparently like 3/4 of the mellophones are in quarantine. So...

[Shapeshifter]

My oldest kiddo is Covid positive at college. Turns out one of the people in the OU band tested positive in his section and now he has a positive test as well. Kiddo was vaccinated and he said all he had was a scratchy throat this morning. So he has been in his dorm room all day. He is set to quarantine in his room until Sept 3rd. Apparently like 3/4 of the mellophones are in quarantine. So...

Hope he gets better soon.

[Silent-Runner]

all our best wishes for your son, Andino.

What people also tend to forget/miss is that even if you survive Covid, not everyone goes back to normal life. A lot of people are left with a ton of symptoms for a long time (if not for the rest of their life). It's scary to see what it does to some ....

an example (one of a few thousands...)

[Lazy8s]

Best wishes for your son andino, hope he pulls through with no issues

[ice]

all our best wishes for your son, Andino.

What people also tend to forget/miss is that even if you survive Covid, not everyone goes back to normal life. A lot of people are left with a ton of symptoms for a long time (if not for the rest of their life). It's scary to see what it does to some ....

an example (one of a few thousands...)

Kind of a ridiculous photo if you ask me. Not only is it 6 years old, but no **** someone who is in the hospital for months is going to lose a ton of weight, let alone a man near 60 who obviously went from, at the very least, therapeutic TRT to nothing. Stopping that alone would make him lose a ton of weight. I think everyone knows by now it doesn't matter how fit you are.

[acroig]

Kind of a ridiculous photo if you ask me. Not only is it 6 years old, but no **** someone who is in the hospital for months is going to lose a ton of weight, let alone a man near 60 who obviously went from, at the very least, therapeutic TRT to nothing. Stopping that alone would make him lose a ton of weight. I think everyone knows by now it doesn't matter how fit you are.

No, moral of the story is get vaccinated so you don't land in the hospital for 6 months.

[ice]

No, moral of the story is get vaccinated so you don't land in the hospital for 6 months.

Then just say that, don't use an old photo of a fit man to push that agenda. It means nothing.

[Elysian]

Then just say that, don't use an old photo of a fit man to push that agenda. It means nothing.

He lost 70lbs in 47 days... That weight didn't come from fat.

[Elysian]

This is him from April:



Dude was still stacked. Unbunch your panties please.

[ice]

He lost 70lbs in 47 days... That weight didn't come from fat.

I didn't say it did. I said he was bedridden for two months and off whatever TRT dosage he was on (if that's all he was on),
and that alone will make him lose a ton of weight, probably mostly lean mass. Saying he is a fitness guru is enough, no need putting a 6 year old before photo up against a post hospital stay and saying "look what COVID does!" Like I said, it doesn't matter how fit you are for any sickness, I think we all get it.

[ice]

This is him from April:



Dude was still stacked. Unbunch your panties please.

Really dude?

Ok, sure. I forgot there's no sharing of opinions here. Glad to see any opposing view is having panties in a bunch.

[Elysian]

I didn't say it did. I said he was bedridden for two months and off whatever TRT dosage he was on (if that's all he was on),
and that alone will make him lose a ton of weight, probably mostly lean mass. Saying he is a fitness guru is enough, no need putting a 6 year old before photo up against a post hospital stay and saying "look what COVID does!" Like I said, it doesn't matter how fit you are for any sickness, I think we all get it.

I come across people every single day who don't get it.

You get it, and that's great, but you're not the intended audience.

[huskylord]

My old boss had covid late last year. He's fully vaccinated now too. His entire family is sick again, so he's getting tested today.

Hope it's just a regular cold man. Almost forgot those existed these days.

Tested negative.

Told one of my buddies that I went for a test and he gave me his whole spiel why am I living in fear, it's just the flu, you're healthy, just need vitamin C and D.

Not worth the argument.

[Sasquach]

Tested negative.

Told one of my buddies that I went for a test and he gave me his whole spiel why am I living in fear, it's just the flu, you're healthy, just need vitamin C and D.

Not worth the argument.

Just tell him to go catch covid and let you know the before and after how he feels.

If he dies you will never know.......

On another note, Canada just approved Moderna for 12-17 year olds.

Doesnt affect me directly as i have a child who is just about 10 months old now....but still helps.

[Java Cool Dude]

Just tell him to go catch covid and let you know the before and after how he feels.

If he dies you will never know.......

On another note, Canada just approved Moderna for 12-17 year olds.

Doesnt affect me directly as i have a child who is just about 10 months old now....but still helps.

I am in awe of Canada vaccine deployment; almost %75 of the entire population has at least one dose mashAllah!!

[huskylord]

I am in awe of Canada vaccine deployment; almost %75 of the entire population has at least one dose mashAllah!!

Yes, there's been great momentum and generally a positive attitude towards doing the things necessary to combat the pandemic, but there's still lots of work to do and we have our share of anti-vaxx, covid deniers, in addition to fragmented approach. Still better than many other places and in general, science based recommendations are followed instead of treated with disdain.

[Sasquach]

having a relatively small population also helps. We have around 38 million people total.

compared to say Japan which is over 100 million, US has like what 500 million? China with over 1 billion, India with a huge amount as well....etc.

[xCLAVEx]

Abstract
Background Reports of waning vaccine-induced immunity against COVID-19 have begun to surface. With that, the comparable long-term protection conferred by previous infection with SARS-CoV-2 remains unclear.

Methods We conducted a retrospective observational study comparing three groups: (1)SARS-CoV-2-naïve individuals who received a two-dose regimen of the BioNTech/Pfizer mRNA BNT162b2 vaccine, (2)previously infected individuals who have not been vaccinated, and (3)previously infected and single dose vaccinated individuals. Three multivariate logistic regression models were applied. In all models we evaluated four outcomes: SARS-CoV-2 infection, symptomatic disease, COVID-19-related hospitalization and death. The follow-up period of June 1 to August 14, 2021, when the Delta variant was dominant in Israel.

Results SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021. The increased risk was significant (P<0.001) for symptomatic disease as well. When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination (from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naïve vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to 7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21) increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected.

Conclusions This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.

Competing Interest Statement
The authors have declared no competing interest.

Funding Statement
There was no external funding for the project.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....24.21262415v1

Interesting study.

[CyanBlues]

FYI, heading to one of my Aunt's funeral today, they're side of the family are anti-vaccine etc...sad really. My mom and I, told her to get it last time we visited ,but oh well, her and her kids think covid is just the flu and only old people die, some people just don't want to listen. I feel like asking them what they think now but not going to bother.

[acroig]

FYI, heading to one of my Aunt's funeral today, they're side of the family are anti-vaccine etc...sad really. My mom and I, told her to get it last time we visited ,but oh well, her and her kids think covid is just the flu and only old people die, some people just don't want to listen. I feel like asking them what they think now but not going to bother.

Sigh...

[Lazy8s]

FYI, heading to one of my Aunt's funeral today, they're side of the family are anti-vaccine etc...sad really. My mom and I, told her to get it last time we visited ,but oh well, her and her kids think covid is just the flu and only old people die, some people just don't want to listen. I feel like asking them what they think now but not going to bother.

Condolences to your family

[Canesfan2020]

Tested negative.

Told one of my buddies that I went for a test and he gave me his whole spiel why am I living in fear, it's just the flu, you're healthy, just need vitamin C and D.

Not worth the argument.

You can't help people like that. It's all semantics to them. You have to be a special kind of ignorant to not be able to comprehend "flu" is short for influenza and not a generic term for being sick thus having to explain influenza vs coronaviruses. Also, what is vitamin c doing to do to help fight a virus your body hasn't seen before?

[bill dennison]

I was changing a 5 ton 2 speed scroll compressor last night 7 pm to 9:30 pm on a commercial building

i'm on the roof and a cop stopped by "what are you doing "


"changing compressor "

"why at night "

" because i'm covid positive and no one is around "

" ok have a nice night "

cop beat feet out of there

[Canesfan2020]

I was changing a 5 ton 2 speed scroll compressor last night 7 pm to 9:30 pm on a commercial building

i'm on the roof and a cop stopped by "what are you doing "


"changing compressor "

"why at night "

" because i'm covid positive and no one is around "

" ok have a nice night "

cop beets feet out of there

Beets feet? Did he have beets for shoes?