Official Thread: Coronavirus "COVID-19"

[koralis]

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/08/with-covid-cases-and-deaths-rising-more-unvaccinated-are-lining-up-for-shots/

The US reached a milestone of having 200 million people vaccinated with at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine on Friday. And for two days in a row now, over one million people rolled up their sleeves for a shot. Those are daily highs not seen in nearly seven weeks.

Of those one million vaccinations each day, approximately 562,000 and 534,000 shots went to people receiving their first dose, according to White House COVID-19 Data Director, Cyrus Shahpar. Earlier this week, the seven-day average of new first doses nationwide has been hovering around 400,000, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The boost in vaccinations comes amid a devastating wave of COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths driven by the hypertransmissible delta variant, which now accounts for nearly all cases in the US. The surge stands to rival the country's worst wave of the pandemic, which peaked in January 2021 with average daily new cases around 200,000. The country is now averaging over 130,000 cases a day, and that figure is still climbing.

[Crawdaddy79]

Yeah, because of waning immunity. That's a known known. People who got the vaccine 'early' have less immunity over time. A simple booster shot is all that is needed.

I read it as "compared to those who haven't been vaccinated", but I'll submit your interpretation could be correct.

[SirBaron]

Black people?

P&R bait.



I was promoting the idea that vaccine hesitancy is non-political on a global scale, except for white US Democrats.

Not sure how that constitutes race when, he said clowns.

Stupid people, believe stupid ****, and reinforce their dumbass ideas from twitter/facebook posts from other dumbshits.

Darwinism in a nutshell.

If stupid people want to play fire and potentially die. /shrug

Only people I feel sorry for, is the ones who can't take it, or die from others who should have taken it but didn't cos (insert many retarded reasons)

[Pr3tty F1y]

Well, racist ass Dan Patrick, Lt. Governor of Texas, exemplifying why their state is doing so poorly, did blame it on black people, despite black folks being a minority and the majority of non-vaccinated not being black (i.e., unvaccinated white people are the majority of the unvaccinated). It's a lie as the numbers don't add up and another example of trying to blame the other to avoid the Texas government's shrugged responsibility (although also OVERTLY racist - can't stop mentioning that):

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However, another day and another story of younger folks dying, this guy leaving behind a wife and 3 kids: https://apnews.com/article/health-co...8e842a264ecb03

[Nunz]

Lt.. governor.. ?? Lol

With his name I stopped at Lt. Dan

[acroig]

Please no P&R talk here! I know it's hard but we do have a Covid thread in P&R for that purpose.

[Shapeshifter]

https://www.wlox.com//app/2021/08/20/poison-control-calls-spike-people-take-livestock-dewormer-treat-covid-19/

Poison control calls spike as people take livestock dewormer to treat COVID-19

why why are people this stupid.

[Lazy8s]

https://www.wlox.com//app/2021/08/20...reat-covid-19/

Poison control calls spike as people take livestock dewormer to treat COVID-19

why why are people this stupid.

Oh come on! Wow

[Pr3tty F1y]

https://www.wlox.com//app/2021/08/20...reat-covid-19/

Poison control calls spike as people take livestock dewormer to treat COVID-19

why why are people this stupid.

Because we need a medication to treat COV... oh wait...

[Greasy]

Yeah, these dummies are so afraid of the vaccine, they're taking stuff meant for live stock.

I mean if you're that afraid of it load up on zinc, D, and C. Those won't kill you.

[kytprice]

How in the hell did they get the idea to take cow dewormer? That had to come from somewhere.

[andino]

Yeah, these dummies are so afraid of the vaccine, they're taking stuff meant for live stock.

I mean if you're that afraid of it load up on zinc, D, and C. Those won't kill you.

Don't load up on them. Take the recommended doses. I have seen reports of people taking WAY too much of that stuff once they get a positive covid test and causing problems.

[Crawdaddy79]

How in the hell did they get the idea to take cow dewormer? That had to come from somewhere.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34076901/

"Not statistically significant." Maybe need more studies. Shouldn't kill someone if they don't overload on it. Though who knows what else is added to the crap given to cows.

They should get their prescription drugs the old fashioned way. Go to Mexico and buy them from a gas station.

[ugly]

https://www.wlox.com//app/2021/08/20...reat-covid-19/

Poison control calls spike as people take livestock dewormer to treat COVID-19

why why are people this stupid.

Because despite the fact that these people believe they are free thinkers, ivermectin really is the perfect medication for what they actually are:

[koralis]

Because we need a medication to treat COV... oh wait...

I think that's part of the problem... these people want MEDICATION to treat the illness on the "slim chance" it affects them in any significant way. The guys asking for the vaccine on their death beds underscores that. Vaccines aren't medication/treatment, they're prevention, which they're convinced is unnecessary and just a play to manipulate them.

*le sigh*

[SirBaron]

https://discord.gg/eQbYrSkt

a Dedicated Corona subchannel is also on the Rage3d Discord (politics allowed just no insults, unless it's from me the dictator)

[Pr3tty F1y]

I think that's part of the problem... these people want MEDICATION to treat the illness on the "slim chance" it affects them in any significant way. The guys asking for the vaccine on their death beds underscores that. Vaccines aren't medication/treatment, they're prevention, which they're convinced is unnecessary and just a play to manipulate them.

*le sigh*

My argument would be that immunizations are medications - just extremely effective medications.

You have to take allergy medication every day if you have bad allergies. You have to take blood pressure medications once a day or more for maintaining your blood pressure. Antibiotics you have to take up to three or four times a day to keep serum levels up high enough to fight off infections.

A vaccine is a medication that you take once it it protects you for a long time. I'm sure folks would love to take a blood pressure medication or allergy medication once a month or less and still have protection.

But when they hear vaccine, the inner dumbass comes out in full force and they can no longer hide the mental midgets they are. Swayed by anger and fear because dumb shits are dumb. Period. If these people knew facts or wanted to understand, the information is out there.

We're dealing with this because we're living the movie Idiocracy. Modern life has become so comfortable that you can apparently be utter moron and still make a good living, raise a family (probably poorly and likely to become society's problem), and espouse anti-logic falsehoods that spread harm and be a utter thorn in the side of your fellow human beings and yet still survive in your little idiot bubble.

That is what it is. The cure is prevention and it's readily available but ignorant dumbasses are who they are and will cause this pandemic to go on and on and harm the rest of us.

[Shapeshifter]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/high-efficiency-masks-up-to-six-times-better-at-filtering-aerosols-than-cloth-surgical-masks-canadian-study-1.5556831

High-efficiency masks up to six times better at filtering aerosols than cloth, surgical masks: Canadian study

The researchers found that R95 masks were able to filter out 60 per cent of exhaled aerosols, and KN95 masks could filter out 46 per cent.

On the other hand, cloth masks and surgical masks only filtered out 10 per cent and 12 per cent of exhaled aerosols, respectively.

“There is no question it is beneficial to wear any face covering, both for protection in close proximity and at a distance in a room,” said lead author Serhiy Yarusevych in a press release. “However, there is a very serious difference in the effectiveness of different masks when it comes to controlling aerosols.”

[bill dennison]

well I had a half hour fill up of casirivimab and imdevimab Monoclonal Antibodies today

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-monoclonal-antibodies-treatment-covid-19

7 hours in the VA to get it



they were more worried about my at rest heart rate of 40 to 45 BPM than covid
I still have few covid symptoms but I do have it now

I take metoprolol tartrate and loss of weight and cycling has dropped my heart rate

now I got to get my meds changed

Dad is still doing good also
he had 5 days of remdesivir infusion
……..

no 3rd shot for me or dad for months now

[ugly]

I think that's part of the problem... these people want MEDICATION to treat the illness on the "slim chance" it affects them in any significant way. The guys asking for the vaccine on their death beds underscores that. Vaccines aren't medication/treatment, they're prevention, which they're convinced is unnecessary and just a play to manipulate them.

*le sigh*

The things that makes it worse is that many of these conspiracists love to make themselves sound clever by saying that big pharma doesn't want to prevent you from getting sick. They want to push medication that you will need to keep taking so you can keep paying them money (instead of the real treatments of lemon juice and onions and garlic or something).

Then when it comes to vaccines, something that actually prevents you from getting sick, they don't want it.


I've found The Mayo clinics chats to be pretty informative. This one is really good for an overview of where we are and what's going on:

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Unfortunately, it's over an hour long. Worth a watch in the background while you're playing a game or something. Fortunately, someone did a summary:

1/ We have given up as a nation and as a world in this pandemic. Human behavior remains his biggest concern in this pandemic. We are now at one out of every 512 Americans has died of COVID. Exponential spread of the Delta variant is continuing unabated due to behavioral factors. Our behavior is costing us the battle in this pandemic. It will get worse.

2/ "WE WILL NOT GET TO HERD IMMUNITY."

3/ "WE WILL NOT PREVENT EMERGENCE OF FURTHER VARIANTS."

4/ No previous vaccine has been studied to the same degree and scrutinized to the same degree prior to release as the COVID vaccines. The risks and benefits of vaccination are clear and they heavily favor the benefits based on millions and millions of doses administered worldwide.

5/ Overall, if you are unvaccinated, you have a 3X greater chance of getting infected than someone who is vaccinated. If you are unvaccinated, you have an 8X greater chance of having symptoms than someone who is vaccinated. If you are unvaccinated, you hae a 25X greater chance of being hospitalized for COVID than someone who is vaccinated.

6/ With the Delta variant, if you had COVID before and are unvaccinated, you have a 2.34X greater chance of getting reinfected and the symptoms may be worse.

7/ Kids infected with the Delta variant get sick quickly. Data from Canada shows kids infected with Delta have a 2.75X risk of hospitalization compared to if they had been infected with the virus from last year.

8/ At the time of diagnosis, those vaccinated and those unvaccinated HAVE THE SAME VIRAL LOADS. This why we must mask up even if vaccinated. But in those vaccinated, the viral loads drop faster as the immune system kicks in. The Delta variant causes viral loads 1000 to 1200X higher than last year's virus.

9/ “We are doing a huge experiment with our youth. We are taking the most contagious viral variant, not letting them use masks and crowding them together to see what happens.”

“Not one single expert thinks this is a good idea.”

While there are benefits to in-person learning, it can ONLY take place with two simple measures- vaccinate all the teachers and staff and mandate masks.

10/ Very good data from the UK shows a 9X increase in infection and transmission in school age children with the Delta variant compared to last year's virus.

11/ Most medications in widespread use today have had far fewer study participants as part of their approval process than the COVID vaccines. Full approval is coming soon, but it will not change vaccine-hesitant behaviors.

12/ The mutation rate of the virus is inversely proportional to the vaccination rate. The more we vaccinate, the less likely we will have new variants. But because people will not vaccinate, we get variants and the variants are why we need vaccination mandates.

13/ The pandemic will not end given the way the American public is behaving. We are on the verge of the emergence of a variant that will set us back at square one all over again.

14/ We do not yet know what level of antibodies are protective. We call this "correlates of protection". We were starting to get early data on this, but then the emergence of the variants set us back in determining correlates of protection.

15/ The incubation period of most infectious diseases is long enough to spool up and activate our long term immunity. The original SARS-CoV-2 virus and to an extent the Alpha variant had a long enough incubation period (7-10 days from exposure to development of symptoms) to allow for long term immunity to be activated. The Delta variant has a much shorter incubation period (only 3 days, 4 days max from exposure to development of symptoms) with very high viral loads that may be overwhelming the activation of long term immunity.

16/ We have had prior warnings of coronaviruses with SARS in 2003 and MERS in 2012. There will be future coronaviruses that will constitute a threat to all of us.

Note that summary point #2 and #3 are not because it was impossible all along. It is entirely because of our own stupidity.

[koralis]

Note that summary point #2 and #3 are not because it was impossible all along. It is entirely because of our own stupidity.

I'd stipulate that 3 is assisted by our stupidity, but it was a given regardless. The world is a bigger, more interconnected place in 2020 as opposed to the times of smallpox, polio, etc. Not everyone one will have access even if you had 100% willingness to take it. Transmission to animals (wild and otherwise) and back again is proven, providing a hidden pool of virus that will never be inoculated. Variants are going to keep happening, and it will spread.

Rate of mutation would slow if more people got vaccinated, not the fact of mutation. It was never going away.

On the positive side, there are only so many ways a virus can mutate that make it more infectious and more deadly just based on simple chemistry. Mutations to less deadly are to our benefit, and hopefully with the mRNA toolbox they can stay on top of new arrangements atoms in the spike proteins to let the willing keep "up-to-date" so that death rates stay low or, ideally, keep your body primed to stop it from getting to an infectious level in the first place. Given then 6% drop in efficacy every 2 months Pfizer is stipulating, the latter is probably wishful thinking.

[Lazy8s]

Full FDA approval of Pfizer Covid shot will enable vaccine requirements

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/22/pfizer-covid-vaccine-full-fda-approval-monday

[Elysian]

Full FDA approval of Pfizer Covid shot will enable vaccine requirements

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...pproval-monday

NYC schools already came out immediately requiring the vaccine for all teachers, no opt-out.

[logical]

NYC schools already came out immediately requiring the vaccine for all teachers, no opt-out.

LA schools already requiring all staff by October 15th before it was fully official.



I expect most big school districts to follow suit.

[acroig]

I expect most big school districts to follow suit.

In CA? Sure. Down South? Not so much....

[Lazy8s]

NYC schools already came out immediately requiring the vaccine for all teachers, no opt-out.

Teachers union here voted (heavily) in favor of making it mandatory.

That said, I’ve mentioned my anti-vax family and was talking to a couple of them recently. Their jobs have NOT stated it’s a requirement…yet, but they’re already losing their minds over it.

I went home and took Advil. I just can’t talk to them any more about it.

[Elysian]

Teachers union here voted (heavily) in favor of making it mandatory.

That said, I’ve mentioned my anti-vax family and was talking to a couple of them recently. Their jobs have NOT stated it’s a requirement…yet, but they’re already losing their minds over it.

I went home and took Advil. I just can’t talk to them any more about it.

I purged the last two anti-vax/covid hoax people I still had on Facebook this weekend. Felt good. There's no reasoning with them, there's no changing their minds, I've tried.

[Lazy8s]

I purged the last two anti-vax/covid hoax people I still had on Facebook this weekend. Felt good. There's no reasoning with them, there's no changing their minds, I've tried.

My wife cleaned up her feed too. We're both at the point where if the subject is brought up we just change it, or walk away. Don't want to hear their reasons. Nope.

[Java Cool Dude]

We're both at the point where if the subject is brought up we just change it, or walk away. Don't want to hear their reasons. Nope.

Same, there is no changing the minds of anti-vaxxers; I am just sitting here waiting for mandates*

*Yes, I'm against medical freedom aka a dicktator

[andino]

Oklahoma had 6,218 new cases over the weekend with 40 deaths.

1,469 Oklahomans hospitalized with 54 of those being kiddos.

[bill dennison]

how many of these new covid cases numbers are fully vaccinated to non vaccinated ?

[kytprice]

My wife is in charge of Social Services at a local nursing home.
They have positive cases on residents who are fully vaccinated.
Full blown cases they're very sick. Don't know what we're going to do. It's bad.

[AllexxisF1]

Interesting science coming out of the U.K. about long-term protection from COVID. Those who got sick need to get the vaccine, and those who are vaccinated should contract COVID.

28 proteins to fight. If you're vaccinated you only have protection from the 1 spike protein. However, if you get sick with COVID after, your body will have antigens for the other 27 proteins.

Which will protect you better against future variants. This is a better strategy than booster shots. First, get vaccinated for protection. Then go out and get COVID for better long-term protection.

The discussion we're gonna have in several weeks about this strategy is going to be interesting.

We might actually be seeing governments of the world suggesting vaccinated people go out without masks and simply catch the virus.

[xCLAVEx]

Interesting science coming out of the U.K. about long-term protection from COVID.

Those who got sick need to get the vaccine, and those who are vaccinated should contract COVID.

28 proteins to fight. If you're vaccinated you only have protection from the 1 spike protein.

However, if you get sick with COVID after, your body will have antigens for the other 27 proteins.

Which will protect you better against future variants. This is a better strategy than booster shots.

First, get vaccinated for protection. Then go out and get COVID for better long-term protection.

The discussion we're gonna have in several weeks about this strategy is going to be interesting.

So since I had Covid and have the vaccine (got my second shot a week or so ago), I should be super protected then. I've been reading other recent articles stating something similar.

Of course, going out and deliberately getting covid isn't a practical solution nor a safe one, but it's good to know our bodies didn't just go through it for nothing.

[Elysian]

how many of these new covid cases numbers are fully vaccinated to non vaccinated ?

There's a thing called Google...

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/10/us/covid-breakthrough-infections-vaccines.html

[acroig]

*Yes, I'm a dicktator

I always suspected as much.

[AllexxisF1]

Well, they moved my Aunt out of her ward and back into the ICU and they're intubating her.

Damn this disease, just when you think you are on the mend, you fall off a cliff.

[acroig]

Well, they moved my Aunt out of her ward and back into the ICU and they're intubating her.

Damn this disease, just when you think you are on the mend, you fall off a cliff.

[xCLAVEx]

COVID-19: Rescue dogs shot dead in Australia over coronavirus restrictions

A council in Australia killed the impounded animals to prevent volunteers at an animal shelter from travelling to pick them up and potentially spreading the virus.

Fifteen rescue dogs, including 10 puppies, have been shot dead by a rural Australian council under its interpretation of coronavirus restrictions.

Bourke Shire Council in New South Wales destroyed the canines, which had been at its pound, to prevent volunteers at an animal shelter from travelling to pick them up and potentially spreading the virus.

"The council decided to take this course of action to protect its employees and community, including vulnerable Aboriginal populations, from the risk of COVID-19 transmission," the Office of Local Government, a government watchdog, told The Sydney Morning Herald.

The spokesman said officials were investigating whether any animal cruelty laws had been broken.

Five of the dogs had been housed at the pound since early August and one of the dogs then had 10 pups.

The council said staff became concerned for the welfare of the animals due to overcrowding at the pound and two of the dogs attacking one of the others.

A source said the shelter volunteers were distressed and already had COVID-safe measures in place to handle the dogs.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-rescue-dogs-shot-dead-in-australia-over-coronavirus-restrictions-12388537

Pretty disgusting, the dogs were even ready to be picked up but were killed because they didn't want people to come get them? Absolute insanity.

[Nunz]

Now that's some sick, sadistic ****