Official Thread: Coronavirus "COVID-19"

[0091/2]

Florida is in the middle of its huge beach travel season. Thousands travel there daily, so I'm not really surprised to see them getting hammered. The guy that I went to the mountains with, who ended up having covid while we were there, is in FL with his family now. The pictures he sent, show hundreds on the beach, and in restaurants. None are wearing masks.

Did you ask him to bring back a souvenir?

[Greasy]

Did you ask him to bring back a souvenir?

I'm sure he will. Just not for me.

[Silent-Runner]

Baby girl with Covid-19 airlifted 150 miles because of Houston hospital bed shortage

By Ray Sanchez and Kay Jones, CNN

An 11-month-old baby with Covid-19 being airlifted Thursday to a hospital 150 miles away because of a shortage of pediatric beds in the Houston area.

(CNN)An 11-month-old girl with Covid-19 is stable and no longer intubated one day after she was airlifted to a Texas hospital 150 miles away because of a shortage of pediatric beds in the Houston area.

The baby has made "an amazing recovery," said Dr. Dominic Lucia, a pediatric emergency physician and chief medical officer at Baylor Scott & White McLane Children's Medical Center -- Temple, where the child was transported on Thursday.

"She's no longer requiring the breathing machine. She's actually off that right now... and she's actually resting with mom. She's looking great."
The child, Ava Amira Rivera, tested positive for Covid-19, according to Amanda Callaway, a spokeswoman for Harris Health System. Callaway said Ava was having seizures and needed to be intubated but Lyndon B. Johnson Hospital, where she was first taken, does not offer pediatric services.
None of the major pediatric hospitals in the area had beds available, Callaway said.

In a video released by Harris Health, Ava is seen being lifted onto an air ambulance on Thursday morning for a flight to the hospital in Temple.
"Like us, a lot of the children's hospitals are at or near capacity," Lucia told CNN Friday. "That's where we are a lot of days right now. We, fortunately, once they reached out to us, although we're a long way away, were able to help her."
Lucia said doctors were able to wean Ava off life support measures and described her condition as "very stable."
"She's doing great and on our way back to full health," he said.



Last year, the hospital had two or three Covid-19 pediatric cases at any given time, compared to five to seven in the last week to ten days, Lucia said.
"With the Delta variant we certainly are seeing just more infectivity across the population that includes kids, that includes infants as well," the doctor said.

"And with this particular surge we are seeing more kids that are symptomatic that test positive, more babies that are symptomatic and test positive."
He added, "We're also hospitalizing more and a few of those unfortunately are requiring critical care services (though) that's not particularly common."
In the Houston area, Harris Health System has seen a huge increase in Covid-19 patients, and at least half of the patients in ICU have the virus, Callaway said.

"Couple that with normal emergency needs and it's overwhelming the system," Callaway told CNN.
Harris Health is part of the Texas Medical Center, the largest in the world, according to its website. There were 336 Covid-19 patients admitted on Thursday, the highest daily number of admissions since February, according to its latest update.
Florida and Texas have accounted for a third of all US Covid-19 cases reported in the past week, White House Covid-19 response coordinator Jeff Zients said.

The cases are mainly in areas where vaccination rates remain low, Zients said at a briefing Monday.
The surge comes as the highly contagious Delta variant spreads and, White House Data Director Dr. Cyrus Shahpar tweeted on Friday, the percentage of fully vaccinated Americans reached 50%.
Hospitals are once again filling up with patients as the virus tears through the unvaccinated population.

"We are back beyond our pre-pandemic volumes at LBJ," hospital administrator Patricia Darnauer told CNN affiliate KTRK.
The Harris County/City of Houston Public Health dashboard on Friday reported 220.79 new cases per 100,000 people over seven days.
In Texas, the seven-day moving average was 11,042 new daily cases on Monday, according to a CNN analysis of Johns Hopkins University data.
Gov. Greg Abbott has said he will not impose a statewide mask mandate and has previously banned local government entities from requiring vaccines.
Texans know "what the standards are, what practices they want to adopt to help protect themselves," he told CNN affiliate KPRC last week. "This is time for individual responsibility."

Lucia on Friday stressed the importance of getting vaccinated.
"We're worried as schools begin to start up and the fact that kids are going to be together again, we're happy about," he said. "But we certainly hope that that's done in a thoughtful way and we're in support of the American Academy of Pediatrics guidelines of kids going back to school wearing masks."

Source: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/06/u...vid/index.html

[Silent-Runner]

as for germany:

These are the decisions of the Corona summit of federal and state governments
RP ONLINE 9 hrs ago

Berlin. The federal government will no longer cover the cost of Corona rapid tests for all citizens as of October 11. This was agreed by the Chancellor and the heads of the federal states at the Conference of Minister Presidents. The resolutions at a glance.

Michael Müller (SPD, l-r), governing mayor of Berlin and chairman of the Conference of Minister Presidents, German Chancellor Angela Merkel (CDU) and Markus Söder (CSU), premier of Bavaria, give a press conference after the Conference of Minister Presidents. © Christian Mang Michael Müller (SPD, l-r), Governing Mayor of Berlin and Chairman of the Conference of Minister Presidents, Chancellor Angela Merkel (CDU) and Markus Söder (CSU), Minister President of Bavaria, give a press conference after the Conference of Minister Presidents.

3G RULE Access to public indoor areas only for vaccinated, recovered or tested persons is said to be in effect from August 23 at the latest. This applies to visits to hospitals and homes, indoor festivals and sports competitions, indoor catering and hairdressing and beauty appointments, gyms, swimming pools and sports halls, and overnight stays in hotels. Persons six years of age and older who have not been vaccinated or recovered from covid disease must present a negative rapid antigen test no more than 24 hours old or a PCR test no more than 48 hours old.

All children up to age 6 and schoolchildren are exempt from this requirement. However, states may suspend all or part of the 3G rule - i.e., entry only for those vaccinated, recovered, or tested - as long as the seven-day incidence in a county is stably below 35 new infections per 100,000 citizens. The need for the 3G rule will be reviewed at least every four weeks.

CORONA TESTS From October 11, there will be no more free citizen tests. Only people who cannot be vaccinated or for whom there is no vaccination recommendation (especially pregnant women, children and adolescents under 18) can continue to be tested free of charge.

INCIDENCIES AND INDICATORS In addition to incidences (infections related to 100,000 inhabitants within seven days), the federal and state governments want to include indicators such as vaccination rates and the number of severe courses of disease, as well as hospital utilization rates, when deciding on further Corona protection measures in the future.

EPIDEMIC SITUATION The House is being asked to extend the determination of an epidemic situation of national significance beyond Sept. 11. The reason: most anti-Corona measures are based on legal principles in the Infection Protection Act, which in turn require an epidemic situation. To do so, the Bundestag would have to convene for a special session before the Sept. 26 federal election.

MASK DUTY & CO These basic measures continue to apply - to everyone. As examples, the federal and state governments cite keeping a distance from other people, wearing masks indoors, hygiene requirements for hands, and regular ventilation. "Wearing medical protective masks in retail and public transport remains important and therefore mandatory for the entire population. The necessity of these measures will be reviewed at least every four weeks."

Financial aid Corona economic aid is to be extended until the end of the year. This was announced by German Economics Minister Peter Altmaier (CDU) on Tuesday following consultations between the federal and state governments. The current bridging aid III Plus has so far been limited until the end of September. Merkel said after the consultations that the federal government had promised that the bridging aid would be extended. According to the resolution paper, the states are asking the federal government to also extend easier access to short-time working benefits.

Church services The measures agreed to by the federal and state governments do not include new requirements for churches. A draft video meeting between Chancellor Angela Merkel (CDU) and state government leaders in Berlin on Tuesday still noted that unvaccinated people should present negative Corona tests when attending church services. But the roundtable agreed to delete that passage. It would have meant a tightening of the rules for the unvaccinated. Until now, even when incidence rates were high, it was sufficient to comply with hygiene measures such as wearing a mouth-nose protection.

Source: https://www.msn.com/de-de/nachrichte...cid=uxbndlbing

[Lupine]

Its putting everyone in a terrible position. My board will not support me requiring indoor masks and distancing again, not if the state or county isn't requiring them. I'm going to take a huge hit on this.

Oregon governor is thankfully expected to announce a statewide mask mandate today. Better late than never.

[SD-[Inc]]

Florida set the record for most Covid hospitalizations today. Surpassing the record set by New York City at the beginning of the pandemic:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimam...zation-record/

- The number of Floridians hospitalized has jumped past 15,000 after increasing 1,192 from Monday, according to data published by the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).

- This amounts to Florida’s highest rate of hospitalization for the entire pandemic: roughly 70 out of every 100,000 residents have been admitted.

- It also surpasses the hospitalization rate recorded in New York at the height of its coronavirus outbreak in April 2020, when 67 out of every 100,000 residents were hospitalized, according to a New York Times tracker.

Luckily politics have nothing to do with pandemic response. Otherwise, it could have been a lot not worse.

[Crawdaddy79]

Luckily politics have nothing to do with pandemic response. Otherwise, it could have been a lot not worse.

Why would you say that?

[Lupine]

Why would you say that?

Pretty sure that's tongue in cheek, likely in reference to our efforts to minimize discussion of the P&R aspects of Covid in this forum.

[Greasy]

The fact that vaccinated people are getting it now only enforces what those that refuse it believe. Let's ignore the fact that over 90% of those in the hospital right now didn't get vaccinated.

[Lupine]

The fact that vaccinated people are getting it now only enforces what those that refuse it believe. Let's ignore the fact that over 90% of those in the hospital right now didn't get vaccinated.

Exactly. Same topic, multiple interpretations and viewpoints.

Deniers / conspiracy theorists / whatever are going to take whatever info and either use it to support their existing position, or allow it to morph them to something else that allows them to continue arguing against masks / distancing / vaccination etc.

[andino]

The interesting part is that it is almost impossible to counter that argument because the vaccine may really be doing it's job and the Delta numbers just don't show that aspect of it with the breakthrough cases. Plus there are so many people that took the vaccine that might have underlying other problems that make the breakthrough cases require hospital monitoring.

Either way, the vaccine seems to be working and that ***SHOULD*** be the takeaway but my guess is that it's not.

On a personal note, one of my cousins that is a fire chief in Alabama has Covid now and is not doing very well. He decided that he was going to skip the vaccine because it wasn't tested enough. So now he gets to have the totally tested Covid-19 Delta variant.

[koralis]

Time to come to terms with this... it isn't going away unless there's a new vaccine developed that can stop delta (and its future mutations) in its tracks. What we can do is prevent as many people from dying as possible if we can convince them to protect themselves. And if not, time to shrug.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/12/herd-immunity-is-mythical-with-the-covid-delta-variant-experts-say.html

Experts agree on several reasons why such a goal — where overall immunity in a population is reached and the spread of the virus is stopped — is not likely.

Sir Andrew Pollard, head of the Oxford Vaccine Group, told British lawmakers Tuesday that as Covid vaccines did not stop the spread of the virus entirely — with vaccinated people still able to be infected and transmit the virus — the idea of achieving herd immunity was “mythical.”

“I think we are in a situation here with this current variant where herd immunity is not a possibility because it still infects vaccinated individuals,” said Pollard, one of the lead researchers in the creation of the AstraZeneca-University of Oxford vaccine.
...
Pollard noted on Tuesday that Covid, and the current virulent delta variant, are different. “The problem with this virus is [it is] not measles. If 95% of people were vaccinated against measles, the virus cannot transmit in the population,” he told the U.K.’s All-Party Parliamentary Group on the coronavirus.

Pollard said that while Covid vaccines might slow the spread of the virus — because fully vaccinated but infected people appeared, in studies, to shed less virus, giving the virus less opportunity to spread — new variants were likely to emerge that would also spread.
...
“The delta variant is highly transmissible meaning that the proportion of people needing to be fully vaccinated for herd immunity is probably not achievable,” he said. “The vaccines provide very effective protection against severe disease/hospitalisation/death but are less effective in preventing infection, mild disease and transmission, especially for the delta variant.”
...
“The whole herd immunity thing was one of those bits of medical textbook-speak that was adopted early on by policy advisors, then the press, then the public and has throughout been contorted and over-simplified,” he said Thursday.

[Lazy8s]

Time to come to terms with this... it isn't going away unless there's a new vaccine developed that can stop delta (and its future mutations) in its tracks.


https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/12/herd...perts-say.html

IIRC it was stated early on that the best we would probably be able to achieve would be reducing the status of this pandemic to endemic, requiring yearly vaccinations.

That said, I would think vaccine developers are still working on refining and improving the vaccines…at least I would hope so.

[AllexxisF1]

Time to come to terms with this... it isn't going away unless there's a new vaccine developed that can stop delta (and its future mutations) in its tracks.

Moderna and Pfizer are already working on a Delta-specific vaccine. The vaccines are already doing what they are supposed to do, even for the Delta variant.

They are keeping you out of the hospital.

It's all gonna work out in the end. It always does.

[Nunz]

IIRC it was stated early on that the best we would probably be able to achieve would be reducing the status of this pandemic to endemic, requiring yearly vaccinations.

That said, I would think vaccine developers are still working on refining and improving the vaccines…at least I would hope so.

[koralis]

IIRC it was stated early on that the best we would probably be able to achieve would be reducing the status of this pandemic to endemic, requiring yearly vaccinations.

Yeah, but that was before Pfizer and Moderna turned out to be so damned effective vs the initial covid variants.

Then this kicked in

“The whole herd immunity thing was one of those bits of medical textbook-speak that was adopted early on by policy advisors, then the press, then the public and has throughout been contorted and over-simplified,” he said Thursday.

Paving the way for unrealistic expectations and heartbreak.

That said, I would think vaccine developers are still working on refining and improving the vaccines…at least I would hope so.

Yeah, but they need a vaccine that makes it non-transmissible for the vaccinated. That's a tall order... needs to stamp it down so fast and hard there's no real viral load. We can hope, but I'm pessimistic on that front.

[Lazy8s]

Yeah, but that was before Pfizer and Moderna turned out to be so damned effective vs the initial covid variants.

Then this kicked in


Paving the way for unrealistic expectations and heartbreak.




Yeah, but they need a vaccine that makes it non-transmissible for the vaccinated. That's a tall order... needs to stamp it down so fast and hard there's no real viral load. We can hope, but I'm pessimistic on that front.

I think hope is what it’s all about at this point. We’ve had several “aha!” Moments during the course of the pandemic so far only to find out COVID has another trick up it’s sleeve.

Our folks in lab coats have done a great job so far all things considered, so I hope they’ll continue to find breakthroughs on this thing.

[Sasquach]

How come this thing is mutating like crazy?
I dont hear about any other viruses mutating constantly like this....except the flu somewhat...but i dont think that is nearly as deadly to begin with so that doesnt matter.

[Elysian]

How come this thing is mutating like crazy?
I dont hear about any other viruses mutating constantly like this....except the flu somewhat...but i dont think that is nearly as deadly to begin with so that doesnt matter.

Because there's been so many cases that have allowed it to incubate.

[Lazy8s]

Because there's been so many cases that have allowed it to incubate.

And the numbers are going way in the wrong direction.

[xCLAVEx]

My g/fs sisters husband died today of Corona virus. He had it for a week and died at home, never even made it to the hospital. G/F can't even go see her because her sister and her family have it also.

[Lazy8s]

My g/fs sisters husband died today of Corona virus. He had it for a week and died at home, never even made it to the hospital. G/F can't even go see her because her sister and her family have it also.

Condolences

[xCLAVEx]

Condolences

I didn't know him and don't really know her sister, but of course she loves her sister and feels horrible for her. Apparently he wasn't overweight, though I have no idea if he had any health issues. I think he drank a lot, not sure if that was a contributing factor though. He died next to her in bed. He was only in his 50s.

[Lazy8s]

I didn't know him and don't really know her sister, but of course she loves her sister and feels horrible for her. Apparently he wasn't overweight, though I have no idea if he had any health issues. I think he drank a lot, not sure if that was a contributing factor though. He died next to her in bed. He was only in his 50s.

It’s a horrible thing to hear about. 50s is just way to young, and to go by covid. I hate to say it, hate more to see it happening, but we’re going to start hearing more stories like this…again…if the country doesn’t find a way to come together on preventative measures soon. Like really soon.

[SD-[Inc]]

It’s a horrible thing to hear about. 50s is just way to young, and to go by covid. I hate to say it, hate more to see it happening, but we’re going to start hearing more stories like this…again…if the country doesn’t find a way to come together on preventative measures soon. Like really soon.

We've had preventable measures for a while now. The "coming together" part isn't going to ever happen is the real issue. It's really sad. So, it is what it is. Sorry that people choose potential death over preventable measures. But, it's a personal choice that people seem to highly value. Makes no sense to me. But, it is what it is. (oops, I already said that)

[Lazy8s]

We've had preventable measures for a while now. The "coming together" part isn't going to ever happen is the real issue. It's really sad. So, it is what it is. Sorry that people choose potential death over preventable measures. But, it's a personal choice that people seem to highly value. Makes no sense to me. But, it is what it is. (oops, I already said that)

Vaccinations have been going up in some previously, heavily anti-vax areas though. So, it takes what it takes I guess.

[xCLAVEx]

It’s a horrible thing to hear about. 50s is just way to young, and to go by covid. I hate to say it, hate more to see it happening, but we’re going to start hearing more stories like this…again…if the country doesn’t find a way to come together on preventative measures soon. Like really soon.

They were speaking in Spanish so I wasn't entirely sure what they were saying, but to say her sister is in excruciating grief is an understatement. And yes, 50 is way too young.

[Lupine]

We've had preventable measures for a while now. The "coming together" part isn't going to ever happen is the real issue. It's really sad. So, it is what it is. Sorry that people choose potential death over preventable measures. But, it's a personal choice that people seem to highly value. Makes no sense to me. But, it is what it is. (oops, I already said that)

I really struggle with this, that being vaccinated is a personal freedom issue. It isn't, because it doesn't only impact you.

Yes, you have the freedom when it comes to whether or not to be vaccinated. But that freedom SHOULD have a cost, because not being vaccinated directly impacts others, IMHO removing some of their basic freedoms (perhaps life, liberty, pursuit of happiness?).

So go ahead and choose to not be vaccinated, even to not wear a mask. But as with all choices there are costs. Those choices should limit your ability to be around others. Where you can go. Where you can work.

In America we like to talk about how people have died for our freedoms. That shouldn't infer that people should die as a result of a freedom.

[acroig]

I really struggle with this, that being vaccinated is a personal freedom issue. It isn't, because it doesn't only impact you.

Yes, you have the freedom when it comes to whether or not to be vaccinated. But that freedom SHOULD have a cost, because not being vaccinated directly impacts others, IMHO removing some of their basic freedoms (perhaps life, liberty, pursuit of happiness?).

So go ahead and choose to not be vaccinated, even to not wear a mask. But as with all choices there are costs. Those choices should limit your ability to be around others. Where you can go. Where you can work.

In America we like to talk about how people have died for our freedoms. That shouldn't infer that people should die as a result of a freedom.

See in my civics class I was taught that my rights end when another person's rights begin.

I'm old.....

[Lazy8s]

So go ahead and choose to not be vaccinated, even to not wear a mask. But as with all choices there are costs. Those choices should limit your ability to be around others. Where you can go. Where you can work.

We might be coming to that, various news pieces about more and more companies requiring vaccination now.

I agree with you btw. All it would take to kill my immuno-compromised mother is one person's "freedom".

[Sasquach]

How many waves does anyone think this will go through?
Canadia is currently in the so-called 4th wave.....but then i dont know how long each wave is considered lol. The first wave was the first up and down, then the second wave lasted like a year and was going through several ebbs and flows, then the third wave came at some point and the vaccinations seems to help drop the numbers...and now Delta is here and is creating the 4th wave.

Its like a Tower Defense game lol.

[Elysian]

How many waves does anyone think this will go through?
Canadia is currently in the so-called 4th wave.....but then i dont know how long each wave is considered lol. The first wave was the first up and down, then the second wave lasted like a year and was going through several ebbs and flows, then the third wave came at some point and the vaccinations seems to help drop the numbers...and now Delta is here and is creating the 4th wave.

Its like a Tower Defense game lol.

We're on the 3rd wave in Texas.

[Greasy]

I'm thinking 2-3 waves a year at this point. Variants popping up every new wave.

[xCLAVEx]

Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine just 42% effective against infection amid delta spread, preprint suggests

Early findings posted ahead of rigorous peer review suggested the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine declined to 42% effectiveness against infection amid sweeping spread of the delta variant, with the Moderna vaccine declining to 76%.

Researchers at the Mayo Clinic and Cambridge-based biotech company nference posted the retrospective study in medrxiv this week, drawing from tens of thousands PCR tests conducted at the Mayo Clinic and affiliated hospitals across nearly half a dozen states.

The study period analyzed samples from January to July, when either the alpha or delta variant was a highly prevalent strain; "the Delta variant prevalence in Minnesota increased from 0.7% in May to over 70% in July whereas the Alpha variant prevalence decreased from 85% to 13% over the same time period," the preprint reads.

While results indicated the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were highly effective against COVID-19 infection (76%, 86%, respectively) and hospitalization (85%, 91.6%) the effectiveness against infection dropped by July to 42% and 76%, respectively.

Further findings indicated that people vaccinated with Moderna’s shot were half as likely to develop a breakthrough infection, compared to recipients of the Pfizer vaccine. What’s more, researchers found that Florida residents fully vaccinated with Moderna’s shot faced a 60% lower risk of infection when compared to Pfizer recipients. Also, across all states, the Moderna vaccine cut COVID-related hospitalizations by about half the rate compared to the Pfizer vaccine. Researchers noted "no significant difference" between the groups relating to ICU admission for COVID-19.

In a statement sent to Fox News, Pfizer reiterated confidence in the protection and safety of its two-dose COVID-19 vaccine, and noted an ongoing "robust booster research program to ensure" the vaccine offers the greatest level of protection as possible. Pfizer intends to share the compiled data with regulators around the world in the coming weeks.

"The vaccine continues to be highly efficacious in preventing COVID-19, including variants and to date, no variant, including Delta, appears to have escaped the protection of the vaccine," the statement reads. Fox News has also requested comment from Moderna.

Study authors suggested several factors behind the differences observed among the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, including the dosing, meaning "each mRNA-1273 [Moderna] dose provides three times more mRNA copies of the Spike protein than BNT162b2 [Pfizer], which could result in more effective priming of the immune response."

The study had its limitations; the sample size wasn’t representative of the U.S. population, and authors said other factors could've impacted the findings regarding reduced vaccine effectiveness (like "waning immunity over time, the dynamic landscape of SARS-CoV-2 variants, or other factors that were not considered here.")

"Our observational study suggests that while both mRNA COVID-19 vaccines strongly protect against infection and severe disease, there are differences in their real-world effectiveness relative to each other and relative to prior months of the pandemic," study authors concluded.

Researchers called for larger studies with more diverse participants to guide public health decisions, including timing of booster doses.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-42-infection-delta-preprint

Think I got the wrong vaccine, oh well can't mix them so might as well get my second this weekend when I'm supposed to.

[Trunks0]

See in my civics class I was taught that my rights end when another person's rights begin.

I'm old.....

Bingo.

How many waves does anyone think this will go through?
Canadia is currently in the so-called 4th wave.....but then i dont know how long each wave is considered lol. The first wave was the first up and down, then the second wave lasted like a year and was going through several ebbs and flows, then the third wave came at some point and the vaccinations seems to help drop the numbers...and now Delta is here and is creating the 4th wave.

Its like a Tower Defense game lol.

Yup.

The 4th wave isn't surprising. Allot of places are blanket rolling back restrictions too fast. Here in BC, the greater Vancouver metro area is at like 80+% vaccinated. But other parts of the province are not. So when they started rolling back restrictions.... BOOM! outbreaks happened in the regions where vaccination rates where not high enough yet.

Not to mention kids are not vaccinated at a very high percentage. So come September things could get a little nutters if they don't impose proper restrictions.

[Greasy]

And the hits keep coming....

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/trending/eu-looking-into-new-possible-side-effects-mrna-covid-19-shots/CIKLVIEU4RA4DNRWISKMNMCMGU/?fbclid=IwAR2qKa3Zc3O1ibqApm1zC2FLc4h6p88ZLk8EVhi-0f3BL6pWRvtzbnX2-OM

[Nunz]

Damn should have went #modernagang

[MyTMouse]

I know I'm going to wait and see how effective a 3rd (booster) shot is going to be before I get one.

I'm one of the few people that developed some heart symptoms after the 2nd dose that lasted a few weeks. I already have an irregular heartbeat that's been checked out and deemed not an emergency because it doesn't happen too often. My irregularities happened way more often and lasted much longer after getting both vaccines but was worse after the 2nd one. I know some people have had rare cases of heart inflammation with the mRNA vaccines. The nurse made comments in the computer system about it after we talked during my 2nd vaccine

[xCLAVEx]

I know I'm going to wait and see how effective a 3rd (booster) shot is going to be before I get one.

I'm one of the few people that developed some heart symptoms after the 2nd dose that lasted a few weeks. I already have an irregular heartbeat that's been checked out and deemed not an emergency because it doesn't happen too often. My irregularities happened way more often and lasted much longer after getting both vaccines but was worse after the 2nd one. I know some people have had rare cases of heart inflammation with the mRNA vaccines. The nurse made comments in the computer system about it after we talked during my 2nd vaccine

How did you notice the heart issue after the second dose?

[Pr3tty F1y]

And the hits keep coming....

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/trending...6pWRvtzbnX2-OM

Yep because coincidence and causality means nothing to anti-logic people and they'll take the smallest shred of the outcome they're looking for and parrot that in the face of overwhelming opposition - and the dumb and desperate will continue to eat it up an f**k the rest of us over.