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    Originally posted by Pr3tty F1y View Post
    We're almost to the finish line - almost. But as any runner would tell you, you don't stop running until after you hit the finish line if you want to win.
    we're far from any finish line, but of course we all wish that to be true....


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      Originally posted by Silent-Runner View Post
      we're far from any finish line, but of course we all wish that to be true....
      Maybe I'm optimistic, but I'm taking a western-world, northern hemisphere perspective (i.e., what I see in my neck of the woods). In a month the weather should shift to being a bit more hospitable outside. The more outside avenues for recreation the less inside gatherings.

      Doing some rough math on the number of adults (age 18+) in the US being ~209 million and the US doing 11 million doses a week (so, long term that's 5.5 million fully vaccinated on a rolling 3 to 4 week schedule with Pfizer and Moderna vaccines out there). But the data indicates that their are 17.9 million fully vaccinated folks in the US. Ignoring the remainder that are partially vaccinated and proceeding with the assumption that children spread the disease less (although teens are more problematic), the US should have 75% of adults vaccinated within 6 months. That is really close in my world where the weeks whizz by like a blur.

      Given that a single dose should prevent most healthy folks from death/severe illness, hospitals will have capacity. Long COVID is still a scary thing but until better research comes out, there is nothing we can do about it other than taking the known precautions to avoid transmission.

      The current data indicates both Pfizer and Moderna are likely (but not proven) to generate a significant enough immune response to minimize severe disease/death, even from variant strains.

      To me, that's all looking up and I would expect a booster vaccine for mixed strains later this fall if there are proven concerns that the current vaccines won't cover all strains adequately.

      Regardless, we are on the downhill - and to keep it that way, we need to push on with social distancing, masks, and good hand hygiene (and maybe a few axes to the heads of anti-vaxxers for good measure). To me, this is nearly the finish line as we have a vaccine. The ability to get one to market as effective as it is with a brand new technology (mRNA) is awe inspiring. We are definitely past the half way mark, we just need to hang on a little longer.

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        Does the world now get to cancel all debt with China? They closed down wuhan, but yet flew out thousands internationally. This has wrecked the world economy, let alone all the dead. Will anyone hold them accountable?

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          Originally posted by SD-[Inc] View Post
          At least she told you. Don't burn that bridge by being too hard on her. Luckily you got the spare bedroom.
          At least she told me??? I have a higher risk of dying should I get this thing. If I got sick and found out she hid this from me I would physically toss her ass out of my house. You don’t f*ck around when it could cost someone their life. If that concept is foreign to someone then they don’t belong in my life. Period.
          Originally posted by Ozziebloke
          I mean, yeah, sure, there's benefits to a shaved asshole. But get a little sweaty and try and blow a fart. It just sits there like a bubble. No hair to break the seal. Feels weird.



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            Originally posted by Nunz View Post
            Uh.. what's the point of rushing them back to school? It's been proven that schools are one of the biggest spreaders of COVID, so it makes sense to wait until staff are vaccinated to reduce the chance of contamination.
            Actually, they aren't.

            Exclusive: Kids catch and spread coronavirus half as much as adults,

            In the midst of the worst surge of COVID-19 cases in the United States, many state and local officials are again wrestling with the hot-button issue of whether to shut schools down. Now, emerging research confirms that schools aren’t the primary drivers of outbreaks, but cases will seep in and contribute to the disease’s spread whenever a country loses control of containing the pandemic.

            Big decisions around COVID-19 and children have been heavy on politics and short on science. New large-scale studies are changing that.
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              Originally posted by Pr3tty F1y View Post
              This shows you where you rank in the social hierarchy between your wife and your family (i.e., I can't possibly break rank with my mom/sister out of fear of blow back - because, you know, good family relationships are like that where people hold grudges against you permanently for petty bs /sarcasm). Also, to make you feel better about this, it's not just you. I would say a majority of married men live with the same **** every. damn. day. *cough*
              That’s the thing though - like, in my head, the “1st family” is the one you form with your spouse. It sucks for the rest of both families, but the first family takes precedence above all. If the rest of the family doesn’t get that then it’s too bad for them, thems the breaks.

              Even my family - who is of the ilk that initially thought the virus was no worse than the flu / was a hoax - was like “WTF!?!?” when I told them about it today.

              Good for you for standing your ground on it.
              Thanks man. I feel like mugatu in zoolander going “am I taking crazy pills?!?”

              I know a lot of people are ready for the pandemic to be over (like who isn't), but they lean into minor transgressions hard when they have a chance (just going along with the crowd) like church or spending an entire weekend day shopping at brick and mortar stores, etc. All hoping to play the odds that they "beat the pandemic" and got to live outside the rules.
              Minor transgressions can have major consequences - like people around you dying. It’s a small risk yes, but one with permanent consequences. Even if we weren’t able to leave home for 2 years, if that meant nobody dies I’d happily sign up for it. ^shrugs^

              Also, you're wife's text is the dog equivalent of sad puppy eyes over the innards of all of your couch cushions strewn all about your living room. She know she done ****ed up and was hoping for a pass. Good job not giving her one People need to buck up and keep their heads down and weather through this ****. We're almost to the finish line - almost. But as any runner would tell you, you don't stop running until after you hit the finish line if you want to win.
              Oh I know it was an “I dun fked up” text, but actions have consequences. As baron mordo said in dr strange, “the bill always comes due.”
              Originally posted by Ozziebloke
              I mean, yeah, sure, there's benefits to a shaved asshole. But get a little sweaty and try and blow a fart. It just sits there like a bubble. No hair to break the seal. Feels weird.



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                Originally posted by Greasy View Post
                Never know man. I spent a weekend and 5 hours in my truck with a guy that had it. None of use got it. Sadly one of the guys managed to get it elsewhere, so two of my boys have had it now.
                Difference was in your case your friend had it for awhile already and was likely on the back end of recovery (according to your description). The woman at his work is at the beginning of it, which is when it is at it's most infectious.
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                  Originally posted by xCLAVEx View Post
                  Difference was in your case your friend had it for awhile already and was likely on the back end of recovery (according to your description). The woman at his work is at the beginning of it, which is when it is at it's most infectious.
                  Well here we are on Sunday night, so 5 or so days later and I still feel 100%. Hopefully I'm in the clear. Got the email saying an office worker tested positive on her last day so I know it was her. Kind of shitty she didn't even text us to tell us, but she likely feels like an idiot and rightfully so.

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                    Originally posted by ice View Post
                    Well here we are on Sunday night, so 5 or so days later and I still feel 100%. Hopefully I'm in the clear. Got the email saying an office worker tested positive on her last day so I know it was her. Kind of shitty she didn't even text us to tell us, but she likely feels like an idiot and rightfully so.
                    If she didn't sit right next to you and you didn't regularly come into contact with her, you should be alright (provided you used sanitizer/washed your hands after touching doors).
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                      Originally posted by Cyko View Post
                      At least she told me??? I have a higher risk of dying should I get this thing. If I got sick and found out she hid this from me I would physically toss her ass out of my house. You don’t f*ck around when it could cost someone their life. If that concept is foreign to someone then they don’t belong in my life. Period.
                      I hope she tests negative for both your sakes buddy. That's a bad situation...

                      Another niece tested positive. She's 18 and it's wreaking havoc on her. Her mom is immuno-compromised and the first test came back negative...waiting on my brother's and mothers tests. They were all together and if Mom gets this she's dead.

                      And my great niece (2 years old) is in Childrens Hospital in Boston. Diagnosed with Leukemia .... 2021 started with a bang.

                      I'm still not eligible for the vaccine here yet, but I'm getting it as soon as I am.

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                        Originally posted by Cyko View Post
                        At least she told me??? I have a higher risk of dying should I get this thing. If I got sick and found out she hid this from me I would physically toss her ass out of my house. You don’t f*ck around when it could cost someone their life. If that concept is foreign to someone then they don’t belong in my life. Period.
                        I am not trying to excuse her. Just saying that she knew she ****ed up and came clean. Now you can deal with it. I've known plenty of people that would have said nothing hoping for the best. That could have been a catastrophe. I am with you in that I have NO idea what she was thinking. I am sure we both will be so glad when this ****ing pandemic ends. It is such a draining nightmare on everyone...

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                          I'm struggling wrapping my head around the fact we have lost half a million people to this damn virus: HALF A MILLION!

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                            Originally posted by SD-[Inc] View Post
                            I am not trying to excuse her. Just saying that she knew she ****ed up and came clean. Now you can deal with it. I've known plenty of people that would have said nothing hoping for the best. That could have been a catastrophe. I am with you in that I have NO idea what she was thinking. I am sure we both will be so glad when this ****ing pandemic ends. It is such a draining nightmare on everyone...
                            Sorry for being snippy at you. My mind is just blown at this and I’m really angry. Even still, shouldn’t have redirected any of that towards you.
                            Originally posted by Ozziebloke
                            I mean, yeah, sure, there's benefits to a shaved asshole. But get a little sweaty and try and blow a fart. It just sits there like a bubble. No hair to break the seal. Feels weird.



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                              Bonehead move on her part, but at the end of the day that's wifey. Can't say I'd talk to my girlfriend (who I plan on marrying eventually) that way, unless it was all over and we were done.

                              You're brutal, and I mean that in the best way possible lol
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                                Originally posted by Cyko View Post
                                Sorry for being snippy at you. My mind is just blown at this and I’m really angry. Even still, shouldn’t have redirected any of that towards you.
                                No worries. I’d be really upset too. It is finally starting to feel like we could be in the home stretch. It’s almost more stressful now that the finish line finally seems to be out there. Feeling like summer will finally start to see the stress dropping. Hopefully by then PS5s will actually be stocked on the shelves too! Looking forward to plopping my freshly vaccinated ass down on my coach and enjoying some PS5 love.

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                                  Originally posted by Nunz View Post
                                  Bonehead move on her part, but at the end of the day that's wifey. Can't say I'd talk to my girlfriend (who I plan on marrying eventually) that way, unless it was all over and we were done.

                                  You're brutal, and I mean that in the best way possible lol


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                                  A bonehead move is getting 2% when I wrote down whole milk. Potentially exposing someone to the coronavirus is a whole different level homie.

                                  One of my best friends actually said I’m going soft as I get older. Asked him what he meant and he said “I expected you to tell her don’t come back until she had 2 PCR tests done 48 hours apart, for two reasons. One - to be safe and make sure she didn’t have it. Two - since those tests take 3 days to get results you’d have bought yourself about week of freedom.”
                                  Originally posted by Ozziebloke
                                  I mean, yeah, sure, there's benefits to a shaved asshole. But get a little sweaty and try and blow a fart. It just sits there like a bubble. No hair to break the seal. Feels weird.



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                                    Your friend is on to something there man.

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                                      Originally posted by Java Cool Dude View Post
                                      I'm struggling wrapping my head around the fact we have lost half a million people to this damn virus: HALF A MILLION!
                                      The sheer numbers when it comes to deaths worldwide boggle the mind and people can't really grasp it. Something as simple as Malaria kills 5-600k a year. All sorts of diseases and health issues kill more than 1 million people each.

                                      It's staggering to think...the world has so many people in it. We have almost 400,000 births a day. So much joy and so much pain each and every day

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                                        Originally posted by MyTMouse View Post
                                        The sheer numbers when it comes to deaths worldwide boggle the mind and people can't really grasp it. Something as simple as Malaria kills 5-600k a year. All sorts of diseases and health issues kill more than 1 million people each.

                                        It's staggering to think...the world has so many people in it. We have almost 400,000 births a day. So much joy and so much pain each and every day
                                        He was talking about just the USA, not the world.
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                                          Originally posted by MyTMouse View Post
                                          The sheer numbers when it comes to deaths worldwide boggle the mind and people can't really grasp it. Something as simple as Malaria kills 5-600k a year. All sorts of diseases and health issues kill more than 1 million people each.

                                          It's staggering to think...the world has so many people in it. We have almost 400,000 births a day. So much joy and so much pain each and every day
                                          Even with all the deaths, the world is still over-populated so from a capacity standpoint it's not shrinking, it's growing.
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                                            Originally posted by A2597 View Post
                                            He was talking about just the USA, not the world.
                                            https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
                                            Thank you

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                                              However, these comments got me thinking.

                                              We do have to think about the world as a whole. We're all most worried about our immediate situations and for good reason. The immediate situation is what affects us day-to-day.

                                              However, just because some areas are doing better than others (and are luckier due to wealth and vaccine availability), the health, well being, and vaccination status of all folks is still of pretty high importance as variants will keep coming from areas with rampant disease. So the folks doing well today may not be so lucky tomorrow and the next variant comes out that the vaccine maybe won't protect against.

                                              So regardless of AstraZenca's vaccine not being as effective as Pfizer/Moderna (and J&J's vaccine still being under review), even a less effective vaccine is better than no vaccine so I hope they still push out the vaccine at a reasonable cost to areas who otherwise wouldn't have access to a vaccine.

                                              It is pretty crap that different folks will get access to vaccines of different effectiveness, but any vaccine is better than no vaccine and the disparities that existed prior to the pandemic also exist now and will continue to exist so, at the very least, I'm hopeful that any vaccine reaches those areas (even if it's a Russian or Chinese vaccine), that do not have the ability to produce vaccines themselves.

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                                                Originally posted by Pr3tty F1y View Post
                                                However, these comments got me thinking.

                                                We do have to think about the world as a whole. We're all most worried about our immediate situations and for good reason. The immediate situation is what affects us day-to-day.

                                                However, just because some areas are doing better than others (and are luckier due to wealth and vaccine availability), the health, well being, and vaccination status of all folks is still of pretty high importance as variants will keep coming from areas with rampant disease. So the folks doing well today may not be so lucky tomorrow and the next variant comes out that the vaccine maybe won't protect against.

                                                So regardless of AstraZenca's vaccine not being as effective as Pfizer/Moderna (and J&J's vaccine still being under review), even a less effective vaccine is better than no vaccine so I hope they still push out the vaccine at a reasonable cost to areas who otherwise wouldn't have access to a vaccine.

                                                It is pretty crap that different folks will get access to vaccines of different effectiveness, but any vaccine is better than no vaccine and the disparities that existed prior to the pandemic also exist now and will continue to exist so, at the very least, I'm hopeful that any vaccine reaches those areas (even if it's a Russian or Chinese vaccine), that do not have the ability to produce vaccines themselves.
                                                I wonder if someone had to resort to getting a "less effective" vaccine (because that was all there was available) if they would be able to take a more effective version later? Could there be bad side effects of doing so or could they be perhaps denied because they were already vaccinated

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                                                  Originally posted by MyTMouse View Post
                                                  I wonder if someone had to resort to getting a "less effective" vaccine (because that was all there was available) if they would be able to take a more effective version later? Could there be bad side effects of doing so or could they be perhaps denied because they were already vaccinated
                                                  There was worry at first between getting the 1st dose of Pfizer/Moderna and then swapping for a 2nd dose with explicit direction to NOT do that, but now they're actually studying that (which is a good thing).

                                                  However, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are probably nearly identical as their based on the same underlying mRNA technology and verifying that they can be done interchangeably would be good for the supply chain.

                                                  But in all likelihood, yes, you can get a better vaccine later.

                                                  There are several flavors of Tentanus vaccine out there made my different manufacturers, and some are just tetanus/diphtheria (Td) and some are tetanus/diphtheria/pertussis (Tdap). So beyond just those two basic types, there are different manufacturing processes whin those types that are not 100% equivalent and then there is the children's version (DTap) which is also different and folks can switch between these with out issues.

                                                  HPV got a revamped version to cover more strains and stepping up to the new vaccine was covered in the administration literature.

                                                  There's Pneumovax-23 that's been out for years for Pneumonia and then Prevnar-13 that more recently came out and while there is some overlap in the strains covered by one or the other, folks get both - just spaced out.

                                                  With influenza, currently there are so many different manufacturers and manufacturing processes that year-to-year, that you may be getting vaccines put together totally differently with each new year's version.

                                                  I would still say that researchers should test this stuff before OK'ing it, but if a vaccine is already proven safe and effective, it's unlikely to cause a bad reaction if given to a person who has received another similar vaccine. The only difference is that if there is sufficient overlap and the immunization is given within a relatively recent period, expect your immune system to be none too happy and make you feel like crap - just like the 2nd dose of the Moderna/Pfizer vaccines.

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                                                    we already have groups of people who deny getting vaccinated with AstraZenca because of the side effects. Talking about it on the radio sure "helped" a lot to minimize the panic..... Now even more people aren't willing to get that stuff, bravo.


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                                                      Originally posted by Silent-Runner View Post
                                                      we already have groups of people who deny getting vaccinated with AstraZenca because of the side effects. Talking about it on the radio sure "helped" a lot to minimize the panic..... Now even more people aren't willing to get that stuff, bravo.
                                                      The side effects of these vaccines are within reason. Of course someone will have a more severe, allergic reaction. That happens to everything.

                                                      Nuts, fruits, egg, milk (and not lactose intolerance - you can be allergic to milk proteins), and the list goes on and on. If you can be allergic to something "natural" you can be allergic to something manufactured. At the end of the day, they're all chemicals and everyone's immune system is different and sensitized towards different things.

                                                      However, the aches/pains/chills/mild fever of the COVID vaccines that most folks will get are easily dealt with and subside within a day or two. People are a bunch of weenies and can't bare a bit of discomfort for the physical and mental benefits of not getting the disease and not having to worry as much - like the dumbasses who don't get the flu vaccine because "it gives them the flu." But you're right, we give a loud speaker to these dumb dumbs and then other dumb dumbs that are on the fence listen to them (because of course we'll listen to dumb dumbs rather than, you know, well educated people who we're suspicious of....).

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                                                        Quite a few family members have had either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines and so far, no one is complaining. "It beats the hell out of COVID" is the standard response to sore arms and feeling ill/off for a day.

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                                                          My wife received the first dose. She's a teacher in Ohio.
                                                          I'll wait my turn. I'm still in my 40s and in good health.

                                                          I encourage all front line people to get the vaccine. Some older, healthy people I know are waiting longer 1) to see which vaccine is best for them and 2) to allow more doses to be available for the the ill or front line workers.

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                                                            Originally posted by Cyko View Post
                                                            My wife is a fking moron - and yes, I told her that verbatim.

                                                            She drove out to CO for the weekend with her mom and sister to scout homes/areas for us to move to. Cue today when I get the following 2 texts:

                                                            #1 - “ Sooo uncomfortable...we’re at church and I’m literally the only one wearing a mask.”

                                                            #2 - “ And everyone is staring at me“

                                                            So immediately I thought “what kind of an idiot goes to church in a pandemic” followed by “how much dumber do you have to be to look around at nobody wearing masks and not immediately get back in your car but rather you go sit amongst them.”

                                                            Told her to call me and when she did I told her she’s a fcking moron and to choose either the spare bedroom (which has a side entrance to the yard) or a hotel room to quarantine in until she gets 2 negative tests 24 hours apart.

                                                            What kind of dumb sh*t knowingly does something like that with an immunocompromised spouse at home?!?!? Jesus H. I’m LIVID.

                                                            Your better half went cray cray.

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                                                              Cyko, I gave my GF a weekend to herself over something she did COVID protocol wise. Everything was alright in the end but.... I get it.

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                                                                My 16 yr old granddaughter "finally" got it.

                                                                I say "finally" only because she has already been quarantined four times-- including when her little brother had it-- without getting it.

                                                                Neither she nor her parents have any idea where she got it, as she'd been home from school quite a bit because of the winter storm. [shrugs]
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                                                                  Originally posted by JZL View Post
                                                                  My 16 yr old granddaughter "finally" got it.

                                                                  I say "finally" only because she has already been quarantined four times-- including when her little brother had it-- without getting it.

                                                                  Neither she nor her parents have any idea where she got it, as she'd been home from school quite a bit because of the winter storm. [shrugs]
                                                                  She will probably shrug it off like a common cold. Now the better question for her parents is... she sneaking out at night?

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                                                                    Originally posted by JZL View Post
                                                                    My 16 yr old granddaughter "finally" got it.

                                                                    I say "finally" only because she has already been quarantined four times-- including when her little brother had it-- without getting it.

                                                                    Neither she nor her parents have any idea where she got it, as she'd been home from school quite a bit because of the winter storm. [shrugs]
                                                                    She knows exactly how she got it or has a good idea, she just isn't saying.
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                                                                      how is the j&j single shot vaccine compared to the other stuff? asking for an older family member.
                                                                      not a fan of J&J because of this:

                                                                      J&J didn’t tell the FDA that at least three tests by three different labs from 1972 to 1975 had found asbestos in its talc – in one case at levels reported as “rather high.”



                                                                      "FDA approval" seems like it means nothing
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                                                                        Originally posted by Payne3d View Post
                                                                        how is the j&j single shot vaccine compared to the other stuff? asking for an older family.

                                                                        66%. High enough to probably get approved, but not as good. However, no deaths in their study... so if you got Covid, it wasn't life-threatening. As the second Pfizer/Moderna shot is the one that really seems to do a number on people, the single dose of J&J likely has milder side effects.

                                                                        Johnson & Johnson revealed new, encouraging data showing its Covid-19 vaccine may do a better-than-expected job at protecting patients against new variants of the virus that causes the disease.



                                                                        Overall in the study, the vaccine reduced cases of Covid-19 that were rated as moderate to severe by 66.1% when considering cases occurring at least 28 days after vaccination. There were 193 cases that occurred at least 28 days after vaccination in the placebo group and 66 in the vaccine group. As of Feb. 5, there were seven Covid-19 related deaths in the placebo group and none in the vaccine group.
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                                                                          Wife, the teacher, got her second shot today of Maderna(?).

                                                                          Knocked her on her ass. haha

                                                                          She is having body aches and a headache.

                                                                          So I am feeling a lot better today. My only fear was that she would somehow get it at school.

                                                                          They have had several teachers and parents get the virus and have had a couple of weeks of remote teaching.

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                                                                            Originally posted by koralis View Post
                                                                            66%. High enough to probably get approved, but not as good. However, no deaths in their study... so if you got Covid, it wasn't life-threatening. As the second Pfizer/Moderna shot is the one that really seems to do a number on people, the single dose of J&J likely has milder side effects.

                                                                            https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/24/...inst-covid-19/
                                                                            Didn't JJ also test in South Africa? If so they were seeing some of that strain in their results, which also would lower the results of the others if tested against that one.

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                                                                              Is it just me or has death rate increased since vaccines came out.

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                                                                                Originally posted by Greasy View Post
                                                                                Didn't JJ also test in South Africa? If so they were seeing some of that strain in their results, which also would lower the results of the others if tested against that one.

                                                                                That's true that the 96% numbers didn't have to deal with the newer strains. Here's a breakdown by region for JJ.



                                                                                J&J tested its single-dose option in 44,000 adults in the U.S., Latin America and South Africa. Different mutated versions of the virus are circulating in different countries, and the FDA analysis cautioned that it's not clear how well the vaccine works against each variant. But J&J previously announced the vaccine worked better in the U.S. -- 72% effective against moderate to severe COVID-19, compared with 66% in Latin America and 57% in South Africa.

                                                                                Ars has higher numbers though

                                                                                According to a detailed FDA review of Phase III clinical trial data submitted by Johnson & Johnson, the vaccine was 66 percent effective at preventing moderate to severe COVID-19 at 28 days after vaccination. (Johnson & Johnson defined moderate cases to include cases that had two symptoms, such as cough and fever, which would have been classified as simply “symptomatic” infections in other trials.)

                                                                                The international trial, which involved over 44,000 participants in various trial sites, had different efficacies in different places. In the US, the overall efficacy was slightly higher, at 72 percent. But in places where variants of concern are widely circulating, the efficacy fell. It was 64 percent effective in South Africa, and 61 percent effective in Latin America.

                                                                                Reassuringly, the efficacy against severe and critical disease was high across the board, in all the trial locations and across age groups. Efficacy against severe disease was 85 percent overall 28 days after vaccination. By location, efficacy against severe disease in the US was at 86 percent, 82 percent in South Africa, and 88 percent in Brazil. In a further analysis, there were zero hospitalizations among vaccinated participants and 16 in the placebo group. As of February 5, there were seven COVID-19-related deaths in the trial, all of which were in the placebo group.

                                                                                In addition, Johnson & Johnson has a 30,000-person trial in progress testing whether adding a booster shot will further increase efficacy.


                                                                                Moderna and Pfizer might still be higher than 57% for the SA variant, but possibly due to 2 shots vs 1. Real numbers I haven't seen, but Moderna is developing an extra shot for SA which is undergoing a clinical trial now. What does the wishy-washy phrase "remains effective" actually mean?


                                                                                While initial testing has shown that Moderna's original vaccine - called mRNA-1273 - remains effective against emerging variants, the company said it was pursuing the development of a variant-specific vaccine as part of a number of strategies being considered.
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                                                                                  I'm honestly a little afraid that one of the variants is going to prove vaccine resistant and we have to stay shut down for another year making a follow-up vaccine.

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