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    Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin

    In a Debrief exclusive, Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Kean report that a former official says the U.S. has retrieved craft of non-human origin.


    A former intelligence official turned whistleblower has given Congress and the Intelligence Community Inspector General extensive classified information about deeply covert programs that he says possess retrieved intact and partially intact craft of non-human origin.
    The information, he says, has been illegally withheld from Congress, and he filed a complaint alleging that he suffered illegalretaliation for his confidential disclosures, reported here for the first time.

    Other intelligence officials, both active and retired, with knowledge of these programs through their work in various agencies, have independently provided similar, corroborating information, both on and off the record.

    Thewhistleblower, David Charles Grusch, 36, a decorated former combat officer in Afghanistan, is a veteran of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) and the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO). He served as the reconnaissance office’s representative to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force from 2019-2021. From late 2021 to July 2022, he was the NGA’s co-lead for UAP analysis and its representative to the task force.

    The task force was established to investigate what were once called “unidentified flying objects,” or UFOs, and are now officially called “unidentified anomalous phenomena,” or UAP. The task force was led by the Department of the Navy under the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security. It has since been reorganized and expanded into the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office to include investigations of objects operating underwater.

    Grusch said the recoveries of partial fragments through and up to intact vehicles have been made for decades through the present day by the government, its allies, and defense contractors. Analysis has determined that the objects retrieved are “of exotic origin (non-human intelligence, whether extraterrestrial or unknown origin) based on the vehicle morphologies and material science testing and the possession of unique atomic arrangements and radiological signatures,” he said.

    In filing his complaint, Grusch is represented by a lawyer who served as the original Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG).

    “We are not talking about prosaic origins or identities,” Grusch said, referencing information he provided Congress and the current ICIG. “The material includes intact and partially intact vehicles.”

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    interview tonight at 6 pm on news nation.



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      #3
      Wow... hopefully we get a flood of this kind of whistleblowers. Up to Congress to follow this up and make evidence available.




      Ralph Blumenthal
      @ralphblu
      To be clear -- the Washington Post did not pass on our UAP story. Leslie and I took it to the Debrief because we were under growing pressure to publish it very quickly. The Post needed more time and we couldn't wait. #UAP #UFOs #flyingsaucers #ET #aliens #extraterrestrials
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        #4
        congressional hearings are in the works now.
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          #5
          Interview with the journalists who broke the story who happen to be some of the same who broke the initial Navy story in the NYT in 2017.

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            #6
            Bit of a timely event but some cops camera in Las Vegas caught a bolide falling down last month then a few minutes later a call came in about a UFO and aliens:



            Not sure what to make of that other then the description of the aliens is a bit odd. If this is a hoax that kid is quick on his feet to exploit that pretty impressive meteor... It should be quickly investigated tho as that cellphone video can be examined for timestamps.

            Kids version of the story:

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              #7
              There's no aliens. Or spacecraft. Or any "vehicle of nonhuman origin from outerspace". All you have is just further hearsay, a report, and an attempt at a conspiracy that would essentially cover hundreds, if not thousands of people, throughout the decades. Yet no one has anything tangible. No secret evidence locked up somewhere. Even terms like "possession of unique atomic arrangements" doesn't even make scientific sense.

              Good to grab some headlines though.

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                #8
                I watched the Grusch interview. Strong smell of attention whore BS. I want it to be true but that guy is unstable.
                Objectify the transcendent.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by GSGRUNT View Post
                  I watched the Grusch interview. Strong smell of attention whore BS. I want it to be true but that guy is unstable.
                  I think its easily explained by the stress of having to navigate his obvious high level NDA's and the new and relatively untested whistleblower legislation. Its not an easy thing but its not about just him hes just one in a long line of high ranking people who have talked over the decades.





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                  Since Crash Retrieval Programs are trending, just a reminder that I challenged one of the highest ranking Intel officials on his involvement in the cover up, on the record, and his body language is telling, as is the fact that a NASA Mission Specialist recorded him in the 80s.
                  Video at the link​
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by pax View Post

                    I think its easily explained by the stress of having to navigate his obvious high level NDA's and the new and relatively untested whistleblower legislation. Its not an easy thing but its not about just him hes just one in a long line of high ranking people who have talked over the decades.







                    Video at the link​
                    He's not even technically a whisteblower. His experiences are all second hand and heavily reliant, in his own words, "oral testimony" from people he claims he knew for years. In other words, "trust me bro". His entire premise is also based on certain government segments forbidden from requesting information, but this is actually common practice.

                    The fact that he tried taking his story to the New York Times and I think CNN as well, who rejected his story, only to be picked up by a small time news outlet "News Nation" indicates of his credibility and sources as well. I'm sure News Nation would love the attention they are going to get from this, hence it doesn't matter if what he says is true/untrue....just the coverage alone is a massive win for them.

                    I've also read he refused to go on the Joe Rogan show as well. Joe Rogan is a UFO nut himself but he's very practical and skeptical at the same time, so he would've asked questions Mr. Gruscher definitely wouldn't have been comfortable with. Hence the turndown.

                    I saw the interview as well (what they've showed so far), and I can't help but see "car salesman" in his demeanor. All his answers are circular and designed to bait interest in something, whatever that ulterior motive is.

                    Some people are asking why this isn't bigger news....well because it isn't. No real whistleblowing. No emergency meetings (lol). Just more and more "I heard this from this reliable source" and "I read that from this credible source" and "this person told me who I known for years" etc... ..


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                      #11
                      What consists of whistleblowing and can be covered by it and what isnt makes it hard to figure unless you have perfect legal knowledge of the NDA rules, which are likely extensive in the intelligence field, and the legislation. But we havent seen most of the interview so we are all learning as we go. The 2 reporters who dealt with him said it would have come out in the Washington Post but only later. I mean if hes really only such a glory hound why did he get called to testify to Congress? If its just a limited testimonial he would know it wouldnt get him far. Not going on Rogan kinda proves he isnt seeking fame imo. Normally a guy like this seeking fame goes to any large outlet ASAP to max the 5 min of it. If theres no followup to what he has to say, if all he has are unverifiable testimonials, he'll be forgotten in a couple months. It would have to be part of a process that leads to more revelations from him or someone else for what hes saying to have any value. Snowden risked heavy penalties and had to bail the country for what seems to be obviously defending the constitution. Its not surprising for a career intel guy to go about it safely.

                      Heres a good answer about the whole lack of evidence meme:




                      Daniel Miller (SiCcOp)

                      @SicCoP1
                      The chief criticism I’ve been seeing not just on here but in most media pieces is a lack of actual evidence. No ****. Everyone agrees. I think lots of folks are missing the point.
                      @rosscoulthart
                      with a fantastic answer to that
                      @gangatoday1
                      Video at the link but basically he says he cant give out the evidence and is testifying so that those with proper clearance can get it out. Makes perfect sense to me.
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                        #12


                        Hourlong interview at the link...
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                          #13
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                            #14
                            Not sure if Larry is speculating here or is relating actual programs. I mean why would he know about this and the Defense Minister not know it as he states? Especially since he himself is not in the Government. Was elected in 2013 first time so not had any ministerial portfolio... he's just a backbencher mp. But Id like to see him interviewed and see what his sources are.
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                              #15

                              Senate Intelligence Committee Passes the FY24 Intelligence Authorization Act



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                                  #17
                                  A Manitoba member of Parliament wrote Canada's minister of defence this spring suggesting the country has participated in a secret multi-nation program devoted to "the recovery and exploitation" of unidentified aerial phenomenon (UAP) material.


                                  cbc has an article up about the Larry Maguire letter
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                                    #18
                                    Honestly if Larry wont return CBC's calls then I think his letter can be categorized as speculation on his part. I get he's a fan of UAP's, many of us are, but if CBC came calling to me I wouldnt wait a minute to return their calls. He can still put out a statement anytime to clear up his letter and maybe offer us some sources. That Def Min Anand isnt responding is no surprise. They dont offer blanket denials anymore because if they do and anytime about a statement is found to be true they are made out to be liars. So unless pressed they simply dont answer anymore.
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                                      #19
                                      Canada's defense minister denies Larry's claims...



                                      Here's the full response I just received from a Canadian military spokesperson denying lawmaker Larry Maguire's allegations of involvement in a 5 Eyes #UAP recovery & analysis program.


                                      Gruschs claims however are getting more confirmation:




                                      Senator Marco Rubio has received first-hand accounts from high-level government officials who have seen first-hand crashed UFOs in government possession. David Grusch is not the only whistleblower.
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                                        #20

                                        Congress doubles down on explosive claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

                                        Asked June 26 about allegations of secret UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering programs, Senate Intelligence Committee Vice Chairman Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) made several stunning statements.

                                        In an exclusive interview, Rubio told NewsNation Washington correspondent Joe Khalil that multiple individuals with “very high clearances and high positions within our government” “have come forward to share” “first-hand” UFO-related claims “beyond the realm of what [the Senate Intelligence Committee] has ever dealt with.”

                                        Rubio’s comments provide context for a bipartisan provision adopted unanimously by the Senate Intelligence Committee, which would immediately halt funding for any secret government or contractor efforts to retrieve and reverse-engineer craft of “non-earth” or “exotic” origin.

                                        This extraordinary language added to the Senate version of the Intelligence authorization bill mirrors and adds significant credibility to a whistleblower’s recent, stunning allegations that a clandestine, decades-long effort to recover, analyze and exploit objects of “non-human” origin has been operating illegally without congressional oversight.

                                        Additionally, the bill instructs individuals with knowledge of such activities to disclose all relevant information and grants legal immunity if the information is reported appropriately within a defined timeframe. Moreover, nearly 20 pages of the legislation appear to directly address recent events by enhancing a raft of legal protections for whistleblowers while also permitting such individuals to contact Congress directly.
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                                          #21

                                          Gillibrand scheduling hearings with UAP whistleblower David Grusch
                                          Congressional investigations into UAPs continue ratcheting up.


                                          Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) is working on scheduling hearings with UAP whistleblower David Grusch, along with the current or former government officials who seem to corroborate some of his claims.

                                          Gillibrand says they’ll be open to the public, if Grusch agrees to allow cameras in.

                                          Last week, the senator announced she secured “full funding for the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) in the Senate Armed Services Committee’s markup of the FY24 National Defense Authorization Act.”

                                          Gillibrand is also pushing a measure in this year’s must-pass National Defense Authorization Act in response to Grusch’s claim the federal government is hiding Special Access Programs (SAPs) from Congress. Her proposal would bar funding for any government program that isn’t directly funded by Congress.

                                          “So if there are SAPs out there that are somehow outside of the normal chain of command and outside the normal appropriations process, they have to divulge that to Congress,” Gillibrand recently told me.
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                                            #22
                                            The public hearing would likely be limited as the news interview was. Any new info will have to be behind closed doors that congress can then decide to declassify. Should be interesting in anycase.
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                                              #23
                                              Looks like the hearing is July 26th. If any of Grusch's claims come out of this it'll be a doozy.
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                                                #24

                                                ‘Non-human intelligence’: Schumer proposes stunning new UFO legislation

                                                Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), along with a bipartisan group of five other senators, introduced extraordinary legislation on July 13, suggesting that the U.S. government or private contractors may secretly possess recovered UFOs and “biological evidence of living or deceased non-human intelligence.”

                                                According to the legislation, “non-human intelligence” is defined as “any sentient intelligent non-human lifeform, regardless of nature or ultimate origin which may be presumed responsible for” UFOs.

                                                Given the decades-long stigma associated with the UFO topic, such stunning language is not included in bipartisan congressional legislation on a mere whim, let alone proposed by the Senate’s top lawmaker.

                                                According to a statement accompanying the legislation, the 2017 disclosure of a previously unknown government UFO analysis program spurred a broad congressional investigation of unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP), the government’s new terminology for UFOs.

                                                The ongoing investigation “uncovered a vast web of individuals and groups” claiming knowledge of secret UAP-related programs and information.

                                                According to Schumer, “the sheer number and variety” of UFO-related claims “led some in Congress to believe that the [U.S. government] was concealing important information regarding UAPs over broad periods of time.” Moreover, as noted in the legislation, “credible evidence and testimony indicates that Federal Government [UFO] records exist that have not been declassified” as required by law.

                                                To that end, Schumer’s legislation establishes an independent nine-member agency to collect, review and declassify UAP records. If passed in its current form, the law would mandate that all government UFO documents “carry a presumption of immediate [public] disclosure.”
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                                                  #25
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                                                  Whistleblower tells Congress the US is concealing 'multi-decade' program that captures UFOs


                                                  Grusch said he was asked in 2019 by the head of a government task force on UAPs to identify all highly classified programs relating to the task force’s mission. At the time, Grusch was detailed to the National Reconnaissance Office, the agency that operates U.S. spy satellites.



                                                  “I was informed in the course of my official duties of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program to which I was denied access,” he said.

                                                  Asked whether the U.S. government had information about extraterrestrial life, Grusch said the U.S. likely has been aware of “non-human” activity since the 1930s.

                                                  The Pentagon has denied Grusch’s claims of a coverup. In a statement, Defense Department spokeswoman Sue Gough said investigators have not discovered “any verifiable information to substantiate claims that any programs regarding the possession or reverse-engineering of extraterrestrial materials have existed in the past or exist currently.” The statement did not address UFOs that are not suspected of being extraterrestrial objects.

                                                  Grusch says he became a government whistleblower after his discovery and has faced retaliation for coming forward. He declined to be more specific about the retaliatory tactics, citing an ongoing investigation.

                                                  “It was very brutal and very unfortunate, some of the tactics they used to hurt me both professionally and personally,” he said.
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                                                    #26
                                                    Intel refusing them a skif or closed door congressional meeting with Grusch is a bit of a red flag... Hope they get it done at some point.
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                                                      #27
                                                      RPK has a new quality historical vid after 10 months:

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                                                        #28
                                                        I'll keep it nice and simple...

                                                        This:

                                                        "programs that possess retrieved intact and partially intact craft of non-human origin"

                                                        Hasn't happened. Sorry to be the bearer of "bad" news.

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                                                          #29
                                                          Long new interview with David Grusch:



                                                          Havent watched yet its almost 2 hrs long... But Jesse Michels has usually done a pretty good job in his interviews.
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                                                            #30


                                                            DOE chips in and with news of a dozen or more witnesses backing up what Grusch had to say its gonna be interesting. Hope they make it through the process faster tho it took Grusch ~2 years before he was allowed to talk...

                                                            Despite the growing number of UFO/UAP whistleblowers, the military and the intelligence communities are fighting greater disclosure


                                                            In August, shortly after US government UFO whistleblower David Grusch gave testimony to Congress about crashed spacecraft and alien “biologics,” many observers wondered how much credence to put in his testimony. After all, Grusch is just a single individual. The other two individuals who testified before Congress were former Navy pilots who said they had no evidence of a government program to retrieve and reverse-engineer spacecraft of exotic and apparently nonhuman origin.

                                                            But at least 30 other whistleblowers working for the federal government or government contractors have given testimony, or a “protected disclosure,” to the Office of the Intelligence Community Inspector General (IC IG), the Defense Department Inspector General (DOD IG), or to Congress over the last several months, according to multiple sources interviewed by Public.
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