Kaveri to use socket FM2+, backwards compatible with FM2 APUs

[caveman-jim]

Scuttlebutt from Computex is that Kaveri, the next high performance APU from AMD, is not only due this year but will use socket FM2+. This new socket is backwards compatible with current AMD FM2 APUs.

[Redeemed]

So what is the point of Richland? The 6800K is available for purchase now on Newegg. It still doesn't pair with anything above 6670 going off of the chart found on the retail packaging. And to the best of my knowledge there wasn't any real announcement of these Richland APUs being released. They just silently appeared.

What do Richland APU's provide that Trinity based ones didn't and more importantly, what will Kaveri provide that Richland APU's don't? Will we finally be able to pair 7000 or even 8000 series GPUs with, say, the 7800K Kaveri based APU? A 7800K paired with I'm assuming an 8670 should make for a potent combination I'd think. Especially if AMD is going 20nm on the HD8000 lineup as rumored.

[caveman-jim]

So what is the point of Richland? The 6800K is available for purchase now on Newegg. It still doesn't pair with anything above 6670 going off of the chart found on the retail packaging. And to the best of my knowledge there wasn't any real announcement of these Richland APUs being released. They just silently appeared.

There was a launch article here at Rage3D, I'm testing them now, many of the big tech sites have launch coverage reviews, and AMD had a press conference at Computex to launch them.

No real announcement? You failed to pay any attention at all, I don't even know how you managed to get to see the APU's on newegg and not see the coverage yesterday.

What do Richland APU's provide that Trinity based ones didn't and more importantly, what will Kaveri provide that Richland APU's don't? Will we finally be able to pair 7000 or even 8000 series GPUs with, say, the 7800K Kaveri based APU? A 7800K paired with I'm assuming an 8670 should make for a potent combination I'd think. Especially if AMD is going 20nm on the HD8000 lineup as rumored.

Richland offers better performance, and higher performance/watt.

Kaveri adds HSA, like HuMA, and brings GCN graphics to the APU core.

You can't pair a GCN card with a Richland or Trinity APU because one doesn't exist at the lower performance levels on the desktop. Richland APU equipped notebooks can use Solar System GPU's - 2013 GCN Radeon 8000M cards - in dual graphics.

If there was a 7500 or 7600 card with GCN on it, it would work in dual graphics for Richland APU's. Technically a Trinity APU could do it, too. The limitation is not drivers, it's the usability; the 7750 is too fast to work well in dual graphics mode so it's not available.

[Redeemed]

There was a launch article here at Rage3D, I'm testing them now, many of the big tech sites have launch coverage reviews, and AMD had a press conference at Computex to launch them.

No real announcement? You failed to pay any attention at all, I don't even know how you managed to get to see the APU's on newegg and not see the coverage yesterday.



Richland offers better performance, and higher performance/watt.

Kaveri adds HSA, like HuMA, and brings GCN graphics to the APU core.

You can't pair a GCN card with a Richland or Trinity APU because one doesn't exist at the lower performance levels on the desktop. Richland APU equipped notebooks can use Solar System GPU's - 2013 GCN Radeon 8000M cards - in dual graphics.

If there was a 7500 or 7600 card with GCN on it, it would work in dual graphics for Richland APU's. Technically a Trinity APU could do it, too. The limitation is not drivers, it's the usability; the 7750 is too fast to work well in dual graphics mode so it's not available.

My apologies Jim. I'm normally pretty observant when ya'll post these announcements about newly released products, but I guess I missed it yesterday.

Anyhow, that makes sense about not being able to pair with the HD7000 series.

Well, if Kaveri will pair with the low end HD8000 series then that is probably the APU platform I've been waiting for. Looking to upgrade my buddy's three gaming systems, all of which are presently using s939 or AM2 (not AM2+) parts from way back when. Figure a 7800K + HD8670 (or how ever the naming works out) would be a heft upgrade. Looking forward to some reviews!

[oozz77]

I've been more than happy with my Trinity A8-5500 and replaced both the mobo and ram for good quality ones, so I hope Kaveri will be my next upgrade and I can't wait till it comes out!!

[noko]

Kavari is super excitting, now for the desktop better pair it up with some uber fast DDR3 ram like DDR2400+ if it or mobo can use it. I am hoping to see a DDR5 version and mobo but looks like that has been put off for at least a year.

[oozz77]

I was thinking of replacing my A8-5500 with the Richland A10-6500K, but I may only see an increase in performance of 20% to 30% and in all honesty, the CPU/APU's we have now are more than powerful enough to do 90% of what we use our computers for now such as email, facebook, web browsing, etc.

I want to hold out for Kaveri to finally get some hope of playing modern games at reasonable settings (even in duel graphics) if that's what it takes!!!

It is disappointing to see the need for separate graphic cards at well over $600 simply to play these games!!

I hope Kaveri will be the answer to "close as possible" to a discrete mid range card that we can still add a "duel one" with if needed to get great gaming.

[noko]

I played around 6 hours of Serious Sam Jewel Of The Nile, got suck in on the Llano rig with the HD6670 using dual graphics. 1080p, all high settings and it was rather smooth. Only a few spots did I see slow downs less then 30fps. With just the HD6670 I would have to go down to medium on the graphics which would still be slower than High settings with Dual Graphics

With Kaveri and next generation low end GCN card I can only imagine what the graphics ability will be.

I am wondering if anyone did frame times with Dual Graphics, since it is a form of Cross-Fire but the GPU is on Die next to the CPU - I am not seeing Micro-Stutter at all at least in this game.

[crash override]

Scuttlebutt from Computex is that Kaveri, the next high performance APU from AMD, is not only due this year but will use socket FM2+. This new socket is backwards compatible with current AMD FM2 APUs.

I was watching the Newegg presentation on Richland with Ron Taylor. He mentioned that Kaveri was actually going to use FM2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...IMqMQ2E#t=208s

So hopefully that's the case.

EDIT - Looks like Ron gave Newegg bad info. Kaveri is not compatible with FM2, only FM2+. The pinout is different.

[jimmt]

I was watching the Newegg presentation on Richland with Ron Taylor. He mentioned that Kaveri was actually going to use FM2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...IMqMQ2E#t=208s

So hopefully that's the case.

EDIT - Looks like Ron gave Newegg bad info. Kaveri is not compatible with FM2, only FM2+. The pinout is different.

That sucks. I thought AMD was going to extend FM2 much longer and not have us again go with another socket?

[crash override]

That sucks. I thought AMD was going to extend FM2 much longer and not have us again go with another socket?

Indeed. I'm very disappointed that they literally just stated a couple days ago that FM2 was going to work with Kaveri, and now it's not.

Sounds like Ron wasn't properly coached before speaking with Newegg.

It would be literally impossible for Kaveri to work on FM2 due to the different pin configuration, even though it's only 901 pin.

[noko]

Well a new mobo, very fast ram and Kaveri sounds like a future purchase. Would like to have some discrete options to go along with it. AND some solid Linux drivers as well.

[jimmt]

Well a new mobo, very fast ram and Kaveri sounds like a future purchase. Would like to have some discrete options to go along with it. AND some solid Linux drivers as well.

yeah wasn't very happy with the Linux driver situation on my Trinity especially in Hybrid-Crossfire.

[Athlon-pv]

Scuttlebutt from Computex is that Kaveri, the next high performance APU from AMD, is not only due this year but will use socket FM2+. This new socket is backwards compatible with current AMD FM2 APUs.

Btw in the announcement by Lisa Su (during the main press conference) I could have sworn Kaveri was mentioned late 2013.

Your interview was saying soon in 2H of this year. Let us know please if you find out something more.

[sci guy]

I am running an A10-6700 on a Gigabyte motherboard. It stays VERY cool and works very well for everything I need it to.

[jimmt]

I am running an A10-6700 on a Gigabyte motherboard. It stays VERY cool and works very well for everything I need it to.

nice! I love Gigabyte. great products

[Crisler]

Kaveri looks to be a bigger move than just some new tech. The APUs up to now seem to shut of their Parallel co-Processor if a video card bigger than a 6670 is introduced into the system. This means the options to use the on APU solution for say DirectComputer or OpenCL apps while using the discrete card for pure video is removed.

My understanding is Kaveri will actually change that allow for the full use of the APU in all scenarios.

This, tied into the other hardware changes means a new design and pin out is needed. I am not surprised we need a new motherboard, I am surprised that it will be backward compatible.

[IamHere]

Kaveri looks to be a bigger move than just some new tech. The APUs up to now seem to shut of their Parallel co-Processor if a video card bigger than a 6670 is introduced into the system. This means the options to use the on APU solution for say DirectComputer or OpenCL apps while using the discrete card for pure video is removed.

My understanding is Kaveri will actually change that allow for the full use of the APU in all scenarios.

This, tied into the other hardware changes means a new design and pin out is needed. I am not surprised we need a new motherboard, I am surprised that it will be backward compatible.

That could make a nice bitcoin rig, since you could keep the APU working all the time, even when gaming. Good for folding also.

[Redeemed]

That could make a nice bitcoin rig, since you could keep the APU working all the time, even when gaming. Good for folding also.

Good for multi-tasking in general when using multiple GPU-accelerated applications.

[oozz77]

The date of release for Kaveri is fast approaching, so are we all "sure" that it will not be backward compatible with FM2 motherboards??

There seems to be too many differing opinions on this with very little fact!

Even if Kaveri worked "not to it's full potential" on FM2 boards, it would still be a boon for many of us who jumped on FM2 thinking it would last at least 2 to 3 years or more like most of the other sockets from AMD (FM1 the exception)!!

I would just like to be sure as I have a good gigabyte 85x board and was hoping to see it work with at least the first stepping of Kaveri!!!

[crash override]

The date of release for Kaveri is fast approaching, so are we all "sure" that it will not be backward compatible with FM2 motherboards??

There seems to be too many differing opinions on this with very little fact!

Even if Kaveri worked "not to it's full potential" on FM2 boards, it would still be a boon for many of us who jumped on FM2 thinking it would last at least 2 to 3 years or more like most of the other sockets from AMD (FM1 the exception)!!

I would just like to be sure as I have a good gigabyte 85x board and was hoping to see it work with at least the first stepping of Kaveri!!!

It's a fact unfortunately. FM2+ is required for Kaveri, but can support the older APU's as well.

FM2 will not support Kaveri. *sighs*


Trust me I'm in the same boat as you with a Gigabyte A85X board myself...socket FM2...and no upgrade path for Kaveri or newer APU's with GCN based architecture.

Even the parts I'm receiving tomorrow from AMD as part of their 'AMD Test Drive' have a non FM2+ motherboard.


I would have thought for sure since that is an ongoing program that they'd want to hand us motherboards that we could use later on as well, since they are literally just giving us the parts to keep.

[oozz77]

Hi crash override;

Just curious, but are you running your A10-5800K with your HD7660D in "duel graphics" or using it as discrete only?

[crash override]

Hi crash override;

Just curious, but are you running your A10-5800K with your HD7660D in "duel graphics" or using it as discrete only?

Just running the built-in graphics at the moment.

I haven't had a chance to go pick up another graphics card. That will probably come later on, and I'll probably just end up getting a higher-end GPU to avoid crossfire issues.

[Chuck]

Really excited about this. Going to build a Kaveri system for sure, though I'll have to wait a bit until Q1 2014 cause I need to get an ultrabook.

[Athlon-pv]

AMD originally expected to start supplying its Heterogeneous System Architecture (HAS) Kaveri APUs in the second half of 2013, but according to the company's latest plans, the CPU maker will only provide two A10 and one A8 APU pilot production samples to its clients in December 2013, indicating that Kaveri APU-based PC products may have difficulties showing up in the retail channel before April 2014, the sources said.

from http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130716PD202.html

Which sounds bad for a couple of things, needless to say new management and still not able to keep certain things according to schedule. Global Foundries trouble again?

[noko]

Good grief hope it doesn't get delayed again.