Richland - what trinity should have been

[caveman-jim]

Richland is now shipping, the AMD A-series 5000 APU's with Radeon HD 8000 graphics - find out more details here: http://www.rage3d.com/previews/fusio...hland_preview/

[The PyroPath]

The AMD trend:

New thing is what the last thing should have been! (But unfortunately a year late )

Sorry if this sounds a bit cinical, but it does seem to be the trend in AMD news the past years.

[Greasy]

Goddammit I just ordered an A6 5400K for my HTPC last week!

[caveman-jim]

The AMD trend:

New thing is what the last thing should have been! (But unfortunately a year late )

Sorry if this sounds a bit cinical, but it does seem to be the trend in AMD news the past years.

AMD have acknowleged they've had problems executing and getting the right products to the right place at the right time, this is the result of them trying to fix it. It's encouraging.

Goddammit I just ordered an A6 5400K for my HTPC last week!

Don't be mad dude, desktop versions are a little way off still.

[The PyroPath]

AMD have acknowleged they've had problems executing and getting the right products to the right place at the right time, this is the result of them trying to fix it. It's encouraging.



Don't be mad dude, desktop versions are a little way off still.

I know Jim, but I can't help but get cinical by now. I'm really an AMD/ATi guy but the announcements last years got my hopes up and then smacked down again, specially CPU department. I really want them to do good though! And to be fair, really curious to see what they bring to the table without changing mayor architecture and the numbers seem quite hopefull!

[oozz77]

Sometimes I wonder whether many of our members who posts various comments about certain AMD products actually use any of the never archs or know people who do!!!

I have had an AMD A8-5500 APU from the day it came out here in Australia in August (one of the first ones) and can only report on what I see compared to it's competition from the other side and from what I have seen, there is no competition!

A year late but still dances around ivy bridge and putting more space between them in gaming and other specific tasks-not bad if you ask me!!!

It destroys the i3 and i5's in gaming (not even close) and multitasks better!

Now just over 9 months later, they are releasing an updated version, which is again more powerful, so I'm not sure what some people expect from AMD with their limited R + D and a few not so bright mistakes they made!!!

In reality, it is amazing that they are still competitive at any level, but they are and even beat Intel in many levels!!

The FX8350 has amazing performance at a low price and multitasks like a beast and plays games at higher levels than dearer Intel products at "gamers resolutions" and the newer versions will get better IPC and clock higher again!

[noko]

I am more interested in a GCN version of an APU. I have to say an APU does give quite a bit of bang per buck and very surprise AMD doesn't sell 3x to 4x more of them then they do.

[caveman-jim]

Kaveri is the GCN graphics version, due at the end of this year it's an SoC APU with HSA features (unified memory, support for GDDR5 and possibly DDR4, pre-emption of the GPU, etc.) and will feature Steam Roller cores.

[noko]

Kaveri is the GCN graphics version, due at the end of this year it's an SoC APU with HSA features (unified memory, support for GDDR5 and possibly DDR4, pre-emption of the GPU, etc.) and will feature Steam Roller cores.

WhaaaWhooo! Now that sounds intriguing! Also sounds PS4 like as well

[caveman-jim]

Kaveri and PS4 and MS APU are very very alike AFAIK so far.

[noko]

. Also sounds like a potential big, very big turning point for AMD future for the positive. They just need to connect the dots, get the ball rolling and come through. Hopefully DDR5 vice 4, memory folks need to come through as well.

[Athlon-pv]

This is a weird one I could have sworn the same goes for Vishera , what Bulldozer should have been

Let's hope these have a good impact for AMD, Trinty was good this is better, If they keep this up it will be very nice , the idea that you had to buy a gaming machine and have a seperate videocard are nearly gone, maybe not the high end but certainly for people can live with certain limitations as long as it doesn't cost to much.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Built an AMD APU based system for a friend as his budget was a bit tight, slapped in a separate GPU and off he goes playing games happily. From what I saw he could use very decent settings + resolution and get good FPS in games he plays. So a clear win win situation there without throwing excess money to buy a far more expensive rig.

For me this led to now building a Vishera setup for gaming, that I primarily do, using FX-8350 and latest 990FX with PCIe 3.0 support and pitting it against my current Intel i7 3770K with Z77 chipset. Can now first hand see what the difference is in gaming at 1920x1080 resolution. The price difference is huge, that much I can tell already. Testing will show the performance difference, if any, when build is ready.

What the HSA and new APUs will bring is interesting, could open new possibilities for gaming. At least for those not willing or capable of shelling out insane amounts of cash for a gaming rig.

[oozz77]

The following leaked benches for the A10-6700 look very good!!!


http://wccftech.com/amd-a10-6700-gpu...1-fire-strike/

http://www.expreview.com/24493.html

This is the second model down from the top dog A10-6800 and the results looks very impressive for the tweaks and better GPU part of the APU!

These Richland APU's should now promise some very good competition and performance for the low to mid level user and hopefully far more computer stores will start selling these as more than viable alternatives to the i3 and i5 Intel counterparts!!!!

[noko]

Better then I thought it would do. If it is a plug and play with current mobo I may give it a try when available.

[caveman-jim]

Trinity was more than competitive with Intel, it's not performance that's stopping AMD from winning big with APU's, it's design money. Intel spent more money on Ultrabook marketing than AMD on all their marketing in the year.

[The PyroPath]

Trinity was more than competitive with Intel, it's not performance that's stopping AMD from winning big with APU's, it's design money. Intel spent more money on Ultrabook marketing than AMD on all their marketing in the year.

The amount of money it would take to make AMD as well known with the public as Intel, would probably put AMD out of business 10 fold...

[oozz77]

Trinity was more than competitive with Intel, it's not performance that's stopping AMD from winning big with APU's, it's design money.

Yes the above is very true, but with Richland looking more impressive by the day, hopefully many consumers will start either hearing by word of mouth, or seeing some of these "real" benchmarks for themselves!!

Since I've had my APU. I have had at least 5 friends who were going to buy i3 or low i5, but when they saw my machine in action, all 5 went out and bought APU machines instead are saved a heap of money for a better all round deal!

[caveman-jim]

Consumers isn't the problem, AMD doesn't have a marketing to end users problem, they don't need Intel's brand name recognition in the home. AMD has a design win problem, an AIB/OEM adoption problem.

AMD need to make it more attractive for OEM's and AIB's to sell all they can sell of APU products, not cap their sales to be a percentage of AMD's competitor's sales. While it is more profitable for an OEM to cap AMD product sales so they retain farovable pricing on Intel or NVIDIA chips, they'll cap AMD products. AMD need to break the bonds that cap their sales. Either by getting new customers (see Vizio as a new AMD OEM customer) or working with existing customers to put together another complaint to the FTC etc.

[Dr. Zhivago]

Consumers isn't the problem, AMD doesn't have a marketing to end users problem, they don't need Intel's brand name recognition in the home. AMD has a design win problem, an AIB/OEM adoption problem.

AMD need to make it more attractive for OEM's and AIB's to sell all they can sell of APU products, not cap their sales to be a percentage of AMD's competitor's sales. While it is more profitable for an OEM to cap AMD product sales so they retain farovable pricing on Intel or NVIDIA chips, they'll cap AMD products. AMD need to break the bonds that cap their sales. Either by getting new customers (see Vizio as a new AMD OEM customer) or working with existing customers to put together another complaint to the FTC etc.

This. So much this. This is EXACTLY the problem AMD has had for decades now.

You totally hit the nail on the head, Jimbo. Kudos.

[noko]

Looks like a 45w Richland maybe released.

http://www.hardocp.com/news/2013/07/...s_on_horizon63

At 2.5ghz seems like the 65w version downclocked would be a better combination.