R8500 flash to 9100???

RadeonVE · Jan 17, 2003, 06:15 PM

I know that has a thread that is discussing about it , but with a wrong title, so , let´s see if we can do it. Post yours ideas and experiences about flash the 8500 to get the 9100.

bas695 · Jan 17, 2003, 06:48 PM

Is the BIOS even different between these two cards?

bleagh · Jan 17, 2003, 07:21 PM

Either it is very different, or nobody has posted a reliable
9100 BIOS yet.

Bigsky · Jan 17, 2003, 07:35 PM

I had posted a link to the bios that I had saved from the 9100 but I had a made a error on that save and have since corrected the saved file and reposted it. The bios file size is 52kb as opposed to the 8500's 48kb. Here is the new file.

After a Hex comparison between the 8500 and 9100 bios's I can reassure you that they are almost completely different.

bushwacker · Jan 17, 2003, 08:27 PM

what about the 9000pro vs the 9100? Is that feasable?

FrancoisC · Jan 17, 2003, 09:12 PM

No, the 9000/9100 don't have the same core (rv250 vs r200)

FrancoisC · Jan 17, 2003, 10:28 PM

So, anybody with a backup PCI video card wanna try this?

mbeeston · Jan 18, 2003, 12:50 AM

i might if i had the file =/.. was the file for a 64mb or a 128mb?

FrancoisC · Jan 18, 2003, 01:09 AM

Hehe, ok

the file is on this page (thanks to bigsky): http://www.freewebs.com/tmod/ati9100bios.htm and it is from a 64MB Radeon 9100

PS: Don't do it if you don't have a PCI backup card, because if it don't work, you'll have to reflash your card, and for some strange reason it can't be done "Blindly". I had a bad flash once, I knew exactly what to write, but it worked only with another card in the system.

Shinji666 · Jan 18, 2003, 01:56 AM

anyone is willing to try it?

Shinji666 · Jan 18, 2003, 03:23 AM

just flashed with the bios BigSky provided on this site. Working fine here, no prob on the next reboot. However, performance seems the same (game 4 3dmark2k1) but somehow i couldn't finish the default test

i used the 9100 drivers i got from sapphire site (other drivers gave me an error of couldn't find the video adapter)

How do i test if fullstream is working or not? i have realone.. but how do it enable it?

Tyrant · Jan 18, 2003, 04:06 AM

Hey Shinji, did you o/c the "9100" back up to 8500 speeds?

Bigsky · Jan 18, 2003, 10:36 AM

Well glad to see it at least worked for you. I am using the 3.0a Catalyst drivers with mine and it recognized it with no problems so you might want to try those. Good Luck

BNO · Jan 18, 2003, 01:14 PM

It seems that flashing from 8500 to 9100 works! When you have a card based on the ATI reference Design.

kmf has posted a flash guide on the 3DCenter.de Forums, here is a short summery óf it in english:

you need 2 boot floppys with a basic dos (no drivers)

on one of these floppys you put atiflash and your original Radeon BIOS.

on this floppy you create a autoexec.but whitch should look like this:

@echo off
echo flashing using Orig_Bios
echo cancel using CTRL and DEL
rem pause > nul
atiflash -p 0 orgbios.bin r

you can replace oribbios.bin through the name of your original bios image.

the flash process is automatic

on the 2nd floppy you need atiflash2 and the modified R9100 BIOS. (modifie it using RadEdit 1.1d (not newer)) You have to adapt the bios so it fits to your Radeon 8500. Again you create a AUTOEXEC.BAT similiar to this:

@echo off
echo flashing using R9100_BIOS
echo cancel using CTRL and DEL
pause > nul
atiflash -p 0 9100mod.bin r

9100mod.bin can be changed to your modified R9100 BIOS.

Using this method you can flash your Radoen 8500 without having a Backup PCI-Card to reflash the Radeon.

END OF GUIDE

From my point of view you should borrow a PCI Card from somewhere, because there is still risk to have a faillure when flashing back.

Flashing on your own risk (you all know this)

Here is the Page of the 3DCenter.de Thread:
http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulle...0&pagenumber=6

[EDIT]
They tried flashing on 64 MB Radeon 8500 Cards. It seems to work on Reference cards, but not on cards like the Hercules FDX8500LE.

FrancoisC · Jan 18, 2003, 01:35 PM

Confirmation #2 here, it work.

PS: I also ran 3d mark, no improvement (as expected), but it ran the whole test, no crash or anything

superdigg · Jan 18, 2003, 02:07 PM

Flashed as well. Got my highest 3dmark score ever actually: 10215.

Sadly I can't post a compare link because 3dmark doesn't recognize my "brand new 9100" so here are the details:

System Configuration
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP

DirectX Version 9.0

Mobo Manufacturer ASUSTeK Computer INC.
Mobo Model P4B533-E
AGP Rates (Current/Available) 4x / 1x 2x 4x

CPU Intel Pentium 4 2520 MHz
FSB 140 MHz
Memory 512 MB

Graphics Chipset Generic VGA
Driver Name RADEON 9100 SERIES
Driver Version 6.14.01.6255
Video Memory 64 MB

Program Version 3DMark2001 SE
Resolution 1024x768 32bit
Texture Format Compressed
FSAA Disabled
Z-Buffer Depth 24bit
Frame Buffer Double
Rendering Pipeline D3D Pure Hardware T&L

Test Results
3DMark Score 10215 3D marks

Game 1 Car Chase - Low Detail 160.5 FPS
Game 1 Car Chase - High Detail 60.9 FPS

Game 2 Dragothic - Low Detail 157.5 FPS
Game 2 Dragothic - High Detail 87.4 FPS

Game 3 Lobby - Low Detail 153.7 FPS
Game 3 Lobby - High Detail 68.3 FPS

Game 4 Nature 58.3 FPS

Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 1010.1 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 2234.7 MTexels/s

High Polygon Count (1 light) 43.9 MTriangels/s
High Polygon Count (8 lights) 10.5 MTriangels/s

Environment Bump Mapping 140.3 FPS

DOT3 Bump Mapping 123.8 FPS

Vertex Shader 106.1 FPS
Pixel Shader 123.4 FPS
Advanced Pixel Shader 101.3 FPS

Point Sprite 31.5 MSprites/s

I'll run some UT2003 benches as well and get back to you. Everything looks fine so far.

breez · Jan 18, 2003, 02:43 PM

Only Ati reference cards? Hmm, I have this Powermagic brand card. Will it work?

mbeeston · Jan 18, 2003, 02:49 PM

oh this is for 64mb cards? right.. i don't wanna kill it

BNO · Jan 18, 2003, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by breez
Only Ati reference cards? Hmm, I have this Powermagic brand card. Will it work?

I have to crrect my self. Kmf has successfully flashed his 64MB Hercules Card. So I think you can try it.

In the 3DCenter Thread we all think that the possebility to flash is currently limited to 64 MB Radeon 8500 Cards, becaus the BIOS is only for the 64 MB Version.

BNO · Jan 18, 2003, 03:23 PM

When you don't know where to get the tools needed to flash the 9100 BIOS, have a look at the Download section of my website here:
http://www.bno-net.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52

[EDIT]
A User in the 3DCenter Forum has confirmed that FULLSTREAM works after flashing his Radeon 8500 with the 9100 BIOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jan 17, 2003, 06:15 PM	#1	Advertisement (Guests Only) Login or Register to remove this ad
RadeonVE Radeon HD 4600 Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 85	R8500 flash to 9100??? I know that has a thread that is discussing about it , but with a wrong title, so , let´s see if we can do it. Post yours ideas and experiences about flash the 8500 to get the 9100. __________________ Athlon XP1700, Radeon8500, Shuttle ak31a 256mb, hd 40gb d740dx ,Sb Live

Jan 17, 2003, 08:27 PM	#5
bushwacker Radeon HD 4830 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 135	what about the 9000pro vs the 9100? Is that feasable? __________________ CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2100+ @ 2.4GHz Video: ATI Radeon 9k Pro @ 310/310 RAM: Kingston DDR400 CL2 512Mb Mobo: Epox 8RDA+ (Rev. 1.1) HDs: 1 40GB, 2MB cache Seagate, 1 120GB WD (ATA/100, 8MB cache) Sound: SB Audigy2 Platinum w/ 4.1 surround sound OSes: Win2k ProSP4 & Linux Cooling: AquariusII Water Cooling

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Jan 18, 2003, 12:50 AM	#8
mbeeston Drunken Red Mage™ Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: port jeuno, kujata Posts: 10,534	i might if i had the file =/.. was the file for a 64mb or a 128mb? __________________ "and i attack, with drunken rage!" " can i shoot jack thompson now?, i been practicing on counter-strike source" "A dream that will come true is not a real dream" R.I.P Reputation system, Thanks alot abusers, and whiners! RIP Joe 'Vengeance' Rupe "you can't end a good party without someone on the floor" - Yusuke Urameshi

Jan 17, 2003, 06:48 PM	#2
bas695 Radeon HD 4350 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 24	Is the BIOS even different between these two cards?

Jan 17, 2003, 07:21 PM	#3
bleagh Radeon HD 4890 Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 868	Either it is very different, or nobody has posted a reliable 9100 BIOS yet.

Jan 17, 2003, 07:35 PM	#4
Bigsky Radeon HD 4350 Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 10	I had posted a link to the bios that I had saved from the 9100 but I had a made a error on that save and have since corrected the saved file and reposted it. The bios file size is 52kb as opposed to the 8500's 48kb. Here is the new file. After a Hex comparison between the 8500 and 9100 bios's I can reassure you that they are almost completely different.

Jan 17, 2003, 09:12 PM	#6
FrancoisC Radeon HD 4850 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Montréal Posts: 250	No, the 9000/9100 don't have the same core (rv250 vs r200)

Jan 17, 2003, 10:28 PM	#7
FrancoisC Radeon HD 4850 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Montréal Posts: 250	So, anybody with a backup PCI video card wanna try this?

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Jan 18, 2003, 01:09 AM	#9
FrancoisC Radeon HD 4850 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Montréal Posts: 250	Hehe, ok the file is on this page (thanks to bigsky): http://www.freewebs.com/tmod/ati9100bios.htm and it is from a 64MB Radeon 9100 PS: Don't do it if you don't have a PCI backup card, because if it don't work, you'll have to reflash your card, and for some strange reason it can't be done "Blindly". I had a bad flash once, I knew exactly what to write, but it worked only with another card in the system. Last edited by FrancoisC : Jan 18, 2003 at 01:11 AM.

Jan 18, 2003, 01:56 AM	#10
Shinji666 Radeon HD 4350 Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 15	anyone is willing to try it?

Jan 18, 2003, 03:23 AM	#11
Shinji666 Radeon HD 4350 Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 15	just flashed with the bios BigSky provided on this site. Working fine here, no prob on the next reboot. However, performance seems the same (game 4 3dmark2k1) but somehow i couldn't finish the default test i used the 9100 drivers i got from sapphire site (other drivers gave me an error of couldn't find the video adapter) How do i test if fullstream is working or not? i have realone.. but how do it enable it?

Jan 18, 2003, 04:06 AM	#12
Tyrant Radeon HD 4600 Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 75	Hey Shinji, did you o/c the "9100" back up to 8500 speeds?

Jan 18, 2003, 10:36 AM	#13
Bigsky Radeon HD 4350 Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 10	Shinji666 Well glad to see it at least worked for you. I am using the 3.0a Catalyst drivers with mine and it recognized it with no problems so you might want to try those. Good Luck

Jan 18, 2003, 01:14 PM	#14
BNO Radeon HD 4550 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Karlsruhe, BW, Germany Posts: 41	It seems that flashing from 8500 to 9100 works! When you have a card based on the ATI reference Design. kmf has posted a flash guide on the 3DCenter.de Forums, here is a short summery óf it in english: you need 2 boot floppys with a basic dos (no drivers) on one of these floppys you put atiflash and your original Radeon BIOS. on this floppy you create a autoexec.but whitch should look like this: @echo off echo flashing using Orig_Bios echo cancel using CTRL and DEL rem pause > nul atiflash -p 0 orgbios.bin r you can replace oribbios.bin through the name of your original bios image. the flash process is automatic on the 2nd floppy you need atiflash2 and the modified R9100 BIOS. (modifie it using RadEdit 1.1d (not newer)) You have to adapt the bios so it fits to your Radeon 8500. Again you create a AUTOEXEC.BAT similiar to this: @echo off echo flashing using R9100_BIOS echo cancel using CTRL and DEL pause > nul atiflash -p 0 9100mod.bin r 9100mod.bin can be changed to your modified R9100 BIOS. Using this method you can flash your Radoen 8500 without having a Backup PCI-Card to reflash the Radeon. END OF GUIDE From my point of view you should borrow a PCI Card from somewhere, because there is still risk to have a faillure when flashing back. Flashing on your own risk (you all know this) Here is the Page of the 3DCenter.de Thread: http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulle...0&pagenumber=6 [EDIT] They tried flashing on 64 MB Radeon 8500 Cards. It seems to work on Reference cards, but not on cards like the Hercules FDX8500LE. __________________ BNO-Net: Hardware, Software, Games \| All about PC and Mac since February'02 (German) usersHELPme.de \| Forums by BNO-Net (German) System configuration \| XP2200+ \| MSI KT6 Delta \| FIC A97 My Notebook \| Acer TravelMate 803LCi Last edited by BNO : Jan 18, 2003 at 01:16 PM.

Jan 18, 2003, 01:35 PM	#15
FrancoisC Radeon HD 4850 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Montréal Posts: 250	Confirmation #2 here, it work. PS: I also ran 3d mark, no improvement (as expected), but it ran the whole test, no crash or anything Last edited by FrancoisC : Jan 18, 2003 at 01:58 PM.

Jan 18, 2003, 02:07 PM	#16
superdigg Radeon HD 4600 Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Trondheim, Norway Posts: 59	Flashed as well. Got my highest 3dmark score ever actually: 10215. Sadly I can't post a compare link because 3dmark doesn't recognize my "brand new 9100" so here are the details: System Configuration Operating System Microsoft Windows XP DirectX Version 9.0 Mobo Manufacturer ASUSTeK Computer INC. Mobo Model P4B533-E AGP Rates (Current/Available) 4x / 1x 2x 4x CPU Intel Pentium 4 2520 MHz FSB 140 MHz Memory 512 MB Graphics Chipset Generic VGA Driver Name RADEON 9100 SERIES Driver Version 6.14.01.6255 Video Memory 64 MB Program Version 3DMark2001 SE Resolution 1024x768 32bit Texture Format Compressed FSAA Disabled Z-Buffer Depth 24bit Frame Buffer Double Rendering Pipeline D3D Pure Hardware T&L Test Results 3DMark Score 10215 3D marks Game 1 Car Chase - Low Detail 160.5 FPS Game 1 Car Chase - High Detail 60.9 FPS Game 2 Dragothic - Low Detail 157.5 FPS Game 2 Dragothic - High Detail 87.4 FPS Game 3 Lobby - Low Detail 153.7 FPS Game 3 Lobby - High Detail 68.3 FPS Game 4 Nature 58.3 FPS Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 1010.1 MTexels/s Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 2234.7 MTexels/s High Polygon Count (1 light) 43.9 MTriangels/s High Polygon Count (8 lights) 10.5 MTriangels/s Environment Bump Mapping 140.3 FPS DOT3 Bump Mapping 123.8 FPS Vertex Shader 106.1 FPS Pixel Shader 123.4 FPS Advanced Pixel Shader 101.3 FPS Point Sprite 31.5 MSprites/s I'll run some UT2003 benches as well and get back to you. Everything looks fine so far. __________________ Asus P4B533-E/L/1394 P4 Nw 2.53@3.2 watercooled 512Mb TwinMOS CL2.5 PC3200 DDR ATI Radeon 9800 Pro @ XT

Jan 18, 2003, 02:43 PM	#17
breez Rage3D Veteran Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 1,016	Only Ati reference cards? Hmm, I have this Powermagic brand card. Will it work? __________________ CPU: Tbred-b @ 1.9GHz Motherboard: Abit NF7-S 2.0 Memory: 1024MB DDR400 7-3-3-2.5 Video card: Connect3D AIW Radeon 9800 SE @ Pro Sound: EMU 0404 Operating system: XP SP2

Jan 18, 2003, 02:49 PM	#18
mbeeston Drunken Red Mage™ Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: port jeuno, kujata Posts: 10,534	oh this is for 64mb cards? right.. i don't wanna kill it __________________ "and i attack, with drunken rage!" " can i shoot jack thompson now?, i been practicing on counter-strike source" "A dream that will come true is not a real dream" R.I.P Reputation system, Thanks alot abusers, and whiners! RIP Joe 'Vengeance' Rupe "you can't end a good party without someone on the floor" - Yusuke Urameshi

Jan 18, 2003, 03:23 PM	#20
BNO Radeon HD 4550 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Karlsruhe, BW, Germany Posts: 41	When you don't know where to get the tools needed to flash the 9100 BIOS, have a look at the Download section of my website here: http://www.bno-net.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52 [EDIT] A User in the 3DCenter Forum has confirmed that FULLSTREAM works after flashing his Radeon 8500 with the 9100 BIOS!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ BNO-Net: Hardware, Software, Games \| All about PC and Mac since February'02 (German) usersHELPme.de \| Forums by BNO-Net (German) System configuration \| XP2200+ \| MSI KT6 Delta \| FIC A97 My Notebook \| Acer TravelMate 803LCi Last edited by BNO : Jan 18, 2003 at 03:53 PM.

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