8500 = FireGL?

[KlaasBaas]

Don't let XP/Win2k point to the driver.

Just cancel the "Find New Hardware" requester.

Ad use the setup.exe in the install directory.

My 046 hack for XP works.
I myself use 7006 bios.

Plz remove that c:\windows\inf\atiixpag.inf also.
Or rename it.

Then uninstall your current driver.

Reboot.

Just cancel the "Find New Hardware" requester.

Ad use the setup.exe in the install directory.


This realy should be the way.
I did it with succes, so did a lot of other people.
It's very important to let WinXP SP1 NOT install
it's embedded driver.

[DummyPLUG]

emm.. then may be there is something wrong on my pc...
as I had remove all ati driver include those come with sp1. after that I use the ati setup program to install the driver, then reboot, after reboot it ask me for driver again... then I cancel it, and use the ati setup to install driver once again, but didn't work for me...
I think I should reinstall the winxp, as may be something wrong with it...

about the checksum, I found both file have checksum, does it need to change both of them?

[KlaasBaas]

Actually you should remove the current
ati driver (can be the ATI driver or the XP SP1 driver).

Then (no reboot) rename/remove that XP SP1 inf file.

REBOOT

Then it wil ask for the driver !!
Cancel

run the setup of the firegl driver, but first copy the
required hack files in the correct directory, including
the inf file that i modified.

COuld be something wrong with your XP of course.
But that is not likely the cause of it.

Checksum applies only on the sys file
WinXP/NT/Win2k do verify the correctness of this field.
Of not, it will not start your device.

[DummyPLUG]

Solutions found...!!!!
I found that is I copy the hacked driver to the ati driver set then it will never able to install.
I need to install the non hacked driver first (with only modify inf), then edit that 2 file under system32 and system32/driver, it will load with this method.

I got it running and had the firegl control pannel also now. thanks for helping!!!!

p.s. I had update both file checksum, I use a toold call pe studio that will update the checksum automatically.

[DummyPLUG]

A note... I think the firegl driver is much more rubbish then the radeon driver. As I am using stardock cursorXP under winxp, with all radeon driver it will working, but with firegl driver 3030, 3036,3046, all crash within 1 mins after enable cursorxp..

[specter]

ok, first of all, many thanx to KlaasBaas, he's the man!

as i used the leaked 6200 drivers, i was not able to deinstall them. don't now why but gave me an error saying something like " not able to deinstall blabla..."

ok, just renamed the inf and installed the hacked 046. went without an error through installation and restartet.

on winxp login it just gave me an black screen. reboot and choosed "last functional blabla..."

then deinstalled hacked firegl. somehow, the 6200 also deinstalled.

on reboot, no drivers where recognised (as it should).
installed hacked firegl and reboot.

everything went right and system came back with installed fire gl drivers rev. 3046.

still have the cp from the 6200






tested:

maya 4.0: runs very smooth with corrrect hardware shading
and high poly and complex nurbs objects.

maya 4.5: runs very smooth with corrrect hardware shading
and high poly and complex nurbs objects.

ut2003: runs correct without glitches or texture corruptions.
performance is maybe 10-15 % lower (didn't bench)

battlefield: everything ok and smooth. performance also little
bit lower.

doom3_alpha: crashed on startup (should call id's support

so, for me everything is perfect with these drivers, BUT

one thing does not work, which i like very much;

tv-out

maybe there is a reg key to activate the option in the cp?

ps: i host the 046 original drivers and KlaasBaas hacked files and howto. i made one archive with everything in it:

KlaasBaas files and original ati files.

http://www.the-specter.de/ati_firegl_046.rar

[roguegamer_2000]

Thanks for the hacked files, they work fine on my machine.

[KlaasBaas]

DummyPlug.

These FireGL drivers are actually only usefull
for professional 3d/cad applications that use
OpenGL. At this they are probabely more stable than
the stock 8500 drivers, and also in many cases faster.

This being faster might aslo be visisble in some OpenGL games
but most likely not. MOHAA was a bit faster with the FireGL
drivers.

Anyway the conclusion that your stardockXP tools don't
works as they should because the FireGL drivers are rubbish is a bit stupid.

They are ment for Prof. 3d apps. And what stardock stuff does is most likely a bit illegal calls that are possible but never
realy ment to do so. On the other hand nice tools maybe.

Specter, Thnx very much for you inverstigation on some
compatiblilty test with Maya4.x. And the games.
And for hosting the hackset. Now i don't need to mail everybody.

You can of course still contact me if you have questions.
That's what we are here for !!! :-)

I'll jump to the Specter site to see his pictures now.

Oh DummyPlug thnx for the tip for PE Studio.
Never heard of it, but sounds the tool for checksum mods.
And maybe more. I'll have a look at this too.

Oh and specter, about TV-out, this is not working coz the
FireGL has no TV out. Therefore the driver doesn't support this. I hoped a bit that with installing the CP it would maybe possibel. But i presume you have tested this.

Maybe there is a good nerd here that will be able to tweak this. But i thin it's impossible , unless we get some source code from ATI. Not very likely though !!

[DummyPLUG]

I know the firegl driver should be more stable then the radeon driver, but not for my case...

I am using a dual amd with 8500 driver for a while which is rock solid, after change to firegl driver it crash even in desktop. The problem of mine is my pc suddenly lockup, and with a black screen, then wait after few minutes screen have display again, but windows say driver problem, and load the vga driver. I had reinstall winxp already, with sp1, but didn't install any other things except the amd agp driver.

I also wanna know why this happen to me, I really want to use that driver for my maya work.

So far I had try 7004 and 7008 bios, turn on and off fastwrite, agp mem size, but no solutions found.

may be I do further check later, my card is powercolor 64mb 275/275. I think may be because of overheat, but seems not the case as it didn't crash with few hrs 3dmark looping with radeon driver.

anyway thanks for help, I just want to make the things works for me.. ha ha..

[JCLW]

Originally posted by KlaasBaas
If soembody can send me the
fglrxgl.dll
fglrxm.sys
of win2k 046 to me i will verify again.

But plz the original, and not already self partely modded.

If you send me de .sy_ and .dl_ it's also ok.

I'm at an internet cafe so I can't send you the files, but here is the original ATI full driver package from ATI:

http://pdownload.mii.instacontent.ne...win2k-3046.exe

- JW

[KlaasBaas]

DummyPlug, maybe you should install the latest 4in1 via drivers.

I found out that manually installen the CPU-AGP driver
and IDE driver works best.

You also should install it with the setup.exe.

It's still a bit weird that via4in1 set.

Maybe this will help you.

JCLW, i gave the 046 Win2k drivers a try too.
one person tried it, but it didn't work for him.

If you want to try it, be my guest.
I think id modded it correctely (just as the xp drivers)
be i can't verify them since i don't use Win2k.

Bye for now

[gripen]

Yah DummyPLUG try installing the latest AMD AGP driver as I see that you are probably using 760MPX chipset(?).

[DummyPLUG]

emm.. I am using AMD 762 and with the latest driver already... dunno what happen to me.. I will swap my card with my friend one to do further testing...
just feel strange that normal driver working, but the firegl didn't... I think it may be an issue with my irq problem, since I have irq number 17 on my radeon (yes it is 17, with acpi and smp I got 18 irq)

[KlaasBaas]

Have a look in the eventviewer.

If there is someting there (in red) mentioning
infinite loop (or similair) you have a VIA/AGP problem.

At least i had somehing like this with WinXP SP1
on my KT266a (KR7a abit board) and 8500 drivers (193).

After manually installing the lates Via4in1 it was gone.
Manually installing CPU to AGP and the other things
like IDE driver etc etc.

Apart from that do also do the setup.exe.


So some inf files get copied i think.

Otherwise no clue why it won't work with you.
Maybe bios, but i don't think so.

Not IRQ coz you 8500 works with the 8500 drivers.

Aaah what do I see.....

IRQ 17 eeh and 18 ??
SMP ??

Hmm intersting, maybe not SMP compatible ??
Naah can't be, can it ??

[JCLW]

Can you send me your version of the Win2000 driver?

I run an SMP box as well, but I know for sure that FireGLs work on SMP machines. In fact probably most of them live on SMP machines.

Cheers,
- JW

[KlaasBaas]

Yes i'll send them to you asap.

But i can't verify whether they work.
I have heard that they don't work.
Though i modded them the same way as the XP verions

Try it.

There are 2 txt files with it.
One tells you how to do it, for XP, but probabely the
same for win2k for the most.

the other is an addition for the inf file that comes with
the driver set from ati.

In other words dwnload the full driver set first !!
Then use my modded files to install it !!

[JCLW]

Cheers, I'll try it tonight.

- JW

[JCLW]

Nope. They stop installing at the same point as mine.

- JW

[JCLW]

I've asked for help over at driverheaven. They make the Omega drivers so maybe they can help.

- JW

[KlaasBaas]

I can not understand what goes wrong in your case with the installing.

To my opnion it is possible that my driver hack doesn't work.
That is very well possible. But as far as i can see the install itself should go smooth.

That after the install the driver does'nt works, is something i'm to blame for. In other words i did not do it correctly then.


Give me some details about your problem, where the install
gets stuck !!

BTW try safe mode for an uninstall
Have a look at the inf file.