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Old Dec 1, 2012, 02:46 AM   #1
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Totally agree on AMD's situation. It truly is a shame.
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Old Dec 1, 2012, 09:53 AM   #3
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Honestly in regards to Intel and attaching the processor to the motherboard: Everytime I go to upgrade a intel platform I'm usually faced with having to upgrade the motherboard anyway because intel likes to switch sockets every 5 minutes.

Also we really need new consoles so all this hardware we have can finally start getting pushed. My 3 year old I5-750 is still chugging along laughing at anything I throw at it (granted its at 3.8ghz).

It truly would be a shame to see AMD disappear from the desktop CPU and GPU markets. I fear price gouging and the lack of progress will be a result, though AMD is no saint when it comes to price gouging.

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Old Dec 1, 2012, 10:32 AM   #4
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Dave, and do you honestly believe motherboard manufacturers will release 10 different versions of each board? We will have fewer choices in the end.
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Either that or we'll have to wait longer to get mobo/proc combos, and at a higher cost - boutiques will order mobo + cpu combinations after you buy.
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Or could be all the Broadwell BGA talk is just FUD. Broadwell is a SOC and designed for the mobile market. Perhaps it brings nothing to the CPU side over Haswell aside from a process shrink. It would make a certain amount of sense to only release it as BGA if this were the case. Even hardcore enthusiasts aren't likely to shell out for a new motherboard and CPU with no performance improvement.
If the rumors of Skylake returning to a socketed system are true, it could be that Intel plans to let the DIY/enthusiast market live off Haswell until Skylake is released.
Regardless, as CPU's become more and more integrated, the motherboard is going to become nothing more than a PCB to hold IO ports, with all the features and available ports determined by the installed CPU.
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Broadwell is a codename, not a product, same as Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge. There are IB mobile processors, desktop processors, high performance parts and low performance parts, ultra low voltage, unlocked, and they are most certainly not all the same die, so no, Broadwell is not an SoC designed for the mobile market, although there will be SoC's designed for the mobile market called Broadwell.
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Maybe it is too early yet but Trinity looks like a hit from AMD. Any news there? As in no production issues, high sells, many OEMs buying etc.

Also AMD selling memory, SSD's etc. also sees like a good idea to sell stuff which all you have to do is get your name on it type R&D.

AMD with the graphics division also looks to be doing great in having a great line of products.

WiiU, does AMD make anything off of the GPU per console or is that a one lump sum deal?

Actually selling the campus sounds like a good idea, if it is not producing anything get rid of it. Lean out that Company! Sometimes a companies profitbility is inversely proportional to the size of their main head quarters. Put the people on the deckplates and make them perform.

AMD server side? That is usually a rather big cash cow if all is going well.

Interested more in Intel going into the mobile market if they are news because it would be interesting to see how the competition responds when the ape enters the ring.
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Broadwell is a codename, not a product, same as Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge. There are IB mobile processors, desktop processors, high performance parts and low performance parts, ultra low voltage, unlocked, and they are most certainly not all the same die, so no, Broadwell is not an SoC designed for the mobile market, although there will be SoC's designed for the mobile market called Broadwell.
I know Boardwell is a codename not a product, it is the architecture that is code named Broadwell, an arch that integrates the PCH into the CPU package in an MCM. The soldered on desktop product will be a SoC.
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I know Boardwell is a codename not a product, it is the architecture that is code named Broadwell, an arch that integrates the PCH into the CPU package in an MCM. The soldered on desktop product will be a SoC.
If they are going to go this route it would be nice if they put 16GB of RAM on-die as well using an insane speed 512-bit bus or something like that.

If there were some technical advantage I'd be all for soldered stuff. But just adding the PCH.. probably not.
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It'll likely have stacked memory as well, what the capacity and speed will be is unknown.
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I cannot see the BGA package being good news at all for our hobby. If anything, I kinda' agree that Intel doesn't really intend Broadwell to be for enthusiasts and rather intends Skylake for us, expecting is to be content with Haswell untill Skylake's release.

That said, if Broadwell is a sign of things to come from Intel then honestly this present system of mine is likely the last Intel system I'll own. Even at the cost of performance I'd much prefer giving my money to AMD.

If Intel doesn't abandon us then I'll probably wait for Skylake before I consider upgrading.
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