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AMD's end of summer processor refresh has arrived, with six new models slotting in at the top of their respective product stacks - bar one, a new Thuban hexacore sliding between the two existing X6 turbos. Rage3D tests out three new processors with Cooler Master's V6 heatsink, with some core unlocking and 4GHz+ action!

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Is there a reason why no Intel processors appeared in this review? How are we supposed to see how these new AMD CPUs compared to Intel's?
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Nice review.

Unlocked to x4 and overclocked, the x2 couldn't keep up with the unlocked/OCed x3, like in BF:BC2, WPrime, AES Everest, 7-Zip, Sandra and [email protected] ... And it hardly even kept up with the x3 @ stock? Might this be a matter of the L3 cache starting to show its worth?

Again, great review though.
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Is there a reason why no Intel processors appeared in this review? How are we supposed to see how these new AMD CPUs compared to Intel's?

Why?

I mean seriously why do we need to? Oh I know many people need their daily does of benchmarks to keep ewood but seriously does a comparision matter at the end of the day?
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Nice review.

Unlocked to x4 and overclocked, the x2 couldn't keep up with the unlocked/OCed x3, like in BF:BC2, WPrime, AES Everest, 7-Zip, Sandra and [email protected] ... And it hardly even kept up with the x3 @ stock? Might this be a matter of the L3 cache starting to show its worth?

Again, great review though.
Yes, the L3 cache does matter and is the difference here. I recently had the choice of a PII X2 555 BE or an A2 X4 635 or 640. I went with the 555 because even at stock it's faster than the A2 for more applications (especially games).

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I mean seriously why do we need to? Oh I know many people need their daily does of benchmarks to keep ewood but seriously does a comparision matter at the end of the day?
If AMD had no competition this would be just fine, but since they are competing with Intel and consumers have to make comparisons it's not a bad idea to have some Intel performance data to compare with.
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Is there a reason why no Intel processors appeared in this review? How are we supposed to see how these new AMD CPUs compared to Intel's?
I don't have any Intel platforms to compare.

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Nice review.

Unlocked to x4 and overclocked, the x2 couldn't keep up with the unlocked/OCed x3, like in BF:BC2, WPrime, AES Everest, 7-Zip, Sandra and [email protected] ... And it hardly even kept up with the x3 @ stock? Might this be a matter of the L3 cache starting to show its worth?

Again, great review though.
The Phenom II X2 couldn't unlock and be stable, it was dual core all the way.
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Good job Jim.

I thought the AthlonII X3 results were impressive.
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I agree, this review is pretty foggy without a fair comparison of how these new chips compare to Intel's offerings. I'm the fastest man in the world when measured next to my 95 year old grandma, after all.
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I mean seriously why do we need to? Oh I know many people need their daily does of benchmarks to keep ewood but seriously does a comparision matter at the end of the day?
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Is there a reason why no Intel processors appeared in this review? How are we supposed to see how these new AMD CPUs compared to Intel's?
Rage3D is only one of many sites taking a look at these processors. We always recommend checking out other reviews before forming an opinion on the reviewed product(s). And if you're looking for specific comparisons, platforms, or methods, there is a good chance someone out there will be offering it.

A good place to start is to check out the following news post for affiliate reviews: http://www.rage3d.com/index.php?cat=75#newsid33968769
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No I know, and the review was at the very least good due to it's overclocking/underclocking section. I love to see those in any review. And as it is with out the Intel comparison it can still serve those well who are in the market to upgrade from a slower AMD chip and want to consider what choices they have.

Its just that I have an i7 920 and was really curious if that hexicore could possibly beat it in benchmarks. No worries though Jim, well written review.
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An i7 vs. Phenom II X6 has been on my mind for a bit, I might see if can work in a quick comparo somewhere here soon.
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the 920/930/940 quads vs the X6 would be awesome too since the Intel hexicores are retardedly expensive. Not that I'm not curious.
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Excellent. Waits patiently for early adopters to throw out their 955's, 965's for 970 or 1075T and sell me for half price
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This product release looks darn good, but it also only makes me happier that both my unlockable x3 and x6 1055T already overclock like these new chips when set up right. I've had a 720BE since July '09 and it's proving to be one of the hardiest CPUs I've ever had... a bit of a dark horse if you will...
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the 920/930/940 quads vs the X6 would be awesome too since the Intel hexicores are retardedly expensive. Not that I'm not curious.
Yeah, I have no idea what the deal is with Intel's pricing on Gulftown. I hope that there will be some reasonably affordable 6-core 1366 CPUs in 2011 before Intel discontinues that socket.
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No idea? There's no competition, that's what. AMD's hexacore CPUs pale in comparison to Intel's from a performance perspective.
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Yeah, 15% slower is terrible
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From what I've seen its way more than 15% in a lot of benchmarks and the Intels apparently overclock extremely well. So you pay a premium but it IS faster across all boards. That said I think he has a point that its a total rip off. However, were AMD within a legit 5% in all benches you'd see that Intel price drop IMO. But I've been bitching about Intel playing dumb before.
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The Core i7 hexacore is 1000 bucks. My entire computer is 500 bucks and runs pretty close in every day tasks.

I only fall behind in rendering and unraring. Like I do that all the time, and even if I'm doing that, I can afford the time to... wait (gasp!)
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From what I've seen its way more than 15% in a lot of benchmarks and the Intels apparently overclock extremely well. So you pay a premium but it IS faster across all boards. That said I think he has a point that its a total rip off. However, were AMD within a legit 5% in all benches you'd see that Intel price drop IMO. But I've been bitching about Intel playing dumb before.
Faster at what? Benchmarks, well if that is all you do then by all means. However in real world usage that difference is not all that high.

I have an i7 930 sitting next to a 1055T and I do not see ANY difference in daily use unless I use benchmarks.
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From what I've seen its way more than 15% in a lot of benchmarks and the Intels apparently overclock extremely well. So you pay a premium but it IS faster across all boards. That said I think he has a point that its a total rip off. However, were AMD within a legit 5% in all benches you'd see that Intel price drop IMO. But I've been bitching about Intel playing dumb before.
It is way more than 15%, Jim lives by a little river called Denial. Sure, games that are GPU-limited won't run any better (average framerate) but if you run games that actually have a CPU limitation like DoWII and DAO, you can see AMD's best look pretty weak in comparison.



It's the same story with professional rendering apps and video encoding, Intel's 6-core solution is just plain faster than AMD's, hence the higher price.
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The Core i7 hexacore is 1000 bucks. My entire computer is 500 bucks and runs pretty close in every day tasks.

I only fall behind in rendering and unraring. Like I do that all the time, and even if I'm doing that, I can afford the time to... wait (gasp!)
That's good that your computer handles the tasks you require of it. The point of this conversation is that Intel's fastest chips are faster than AMD's, so your statement isn't relevant to the topic.

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Faster at what? Benchmarks, well if that is all you do then by all means. However in real world usage that difference is not all that high.

I have an i7 930 sitting next to a 1055T and I do not see ANY difference in daily use unless I use benchmarks.
We're comparing 6-core chips. See my last post for some examples of the performance difference between them.
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It is way more than 15%, Jim lives by a little river called Denial. Sure, games that are GPU-limited won't run any better (average framerate) but if you run games that actually have a CPU limitation like DoWII and DAO, you can see AMD's best look pretty weak in comparison.
I don't know those games, but they're so CPU limited that an Intel i7 at 10% more frequency posts 10% more frames. Is that game about prime numbers?
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I don't know those games, but they're so CPU limited that an Intel i7 at 10% more frequency posts 10% more frames. Is that game about prime numbers?
Do you not see the graphs?

DoW II:
i7 980x: 77.6 fps
PII 1090t: 54.9 fps

that's a 41% increase

DAO:
i7 980x: 170.6 fps
PII 1090t: 108.5 fps

that's an even larger 63% increase

How in the world do you come up with 10%?
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In my post I was EVALUATING THE GAME ITSELF, concretely HOW DOES IT USE THE PROCESSOR, I was NOT making comparisions between Amd and Intel.

To make my evaluation, I did choose TWO INTEL I7 PROCESSORS.

The models I chose HAVE A 10% FREQUENCY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM.

The models I chose HAVE THE SAME ARCHITECTURE, so that we can see how a raw processor power increase affect the frame rates, with both terms expressed numerically.

And the result was: a 10% more powerful processor (i7-975 vs i7-870) gets 10% more frame rate (80.3 fps vs 72.6 fps) in Dawn of War II.

Choosing other pairs of Intel processors gives comparable scaling results. So I asked if these games (spacially Dawn of War II) are about prime numbers or anything, and I added a "" because all we know they aren't such.

Btw (this is new stuff I have realized now): AMD processors, essentially, do not scale among them in these games according to those tests, unlike bunches of Intels comparable among them.

Last but not least: based on such weird results, I couldn't bet any serious amount of money on that those graphs reflect with precision the differences between processors, be them two Intels, two AMD's, or one Intel and one AMD.
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In my post I was EVALUATING THE GAME ITSELF, concretely HOW DOES IT USE THE PROCESSOR, I was NOT making comparisions between Amd and Intel.

To make my evaluation, I did choose TWO INTEL I7 PROCESSORS.

The models I chose HAVE A 10% FREQUENCY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM.

The models I chose HAVE THE SAME ARCHITECTURE, so that we can see how a raw processor power increase affect the frame rates, with both terms expressed numerically.

And the result was: a 10% more powerful processor (i7-975 vs i7-870) gets 10% more frame rate (80.3 fps vs 72.6 fps) in Dawn of War II.

Choosing other pairs of Intel processors gives comparable scaling results. So I asked if these games (spacially Dawn of War II) are about prime numbers or anything, and I added a "" because all we know they aren't such.

Btw (this is new stuff I have realized now): AMD processors, essentially, do not scale among them in these games according to those tests, unlike bunches of Intels comparable among them.

Last but not least: based on such weird results, I couldn't bet any serious amount of money on that those graphs reflect with precision the differences between processors, be them two Intels, two AMD's, or one Intel and one AMD.
What in the world are you talking about? You're speaking as though you've performed some evaluation of processors, and I'm talking about a specific review Anandtech performed, which I've linked, referenced, and analyzed.

We're not even talking about the same thing.
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Do you not see the graphs?

DoW II:
i7 980x: 77.6 fps
PII 1090t: 54.9 fps

that's a 41% increase

DAO:
i7 980x: 170.6 fps
PII 1090t: 108.5 fps

that's an even larger 63% increase

How in the world do you come up with 10%?
And the Intel costs upwards of 2-3X as much for JUST the processor,.. never mind the additional platform cost (mobo, memory etc)... WTF is the 2-3X speed increase ? Obviously Intel much faster in select benchmarks.. it damn well better be with it cost up to THREE (4X as much if you shop at Microcenter) times as much. For the price of the 980X you could get a 1090T, Motherboard AND memory or throw in an SSD (or two).

Now looking at comparatively priced parts and the performance gap shrinks considerably .. with AMD matching perf/$.


750 v 970 ($210 v $190)
920 v 1075 ($300 v $250)











and games too show similar performance...


980X 16.8% faster


980X 5% faster


21% faster

and since not too many (who would be looking at either an 980/1090) people actually PLAY at 720, 960 or 1024.. in REAL LIFE circumstances the performance is quite different




this is not to say the 980X isn't a aster processor (I dont see anyone saying otherwise) and unless you spend all your time doing x264 2nd passes, Unraring or playing DOWII, DOA at 1050 ( I mean REALLY.. WhotheF*&^ buys a $1000 processor and cant afford a $250 display at 19x12 or 19x1080p ?!!) or loves synthetic benchmarks to make their epeen bigger, the up to 4x cost is hardly justified and AMD has matched i7 performance at their respective price points. If I understand the posts correctly thats pretty much what Jim and others were saying, that in side by side comparisons at actual day to day settings the performance difference is negligible.
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No no no no, you have to compare highest performance to highest performance! Otherwise the denial river bursts its banks and washes everybody away!
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