GeForce GTX 480 benchmarks vs. HD 5870 here - Page 15

Pestul · Mar 23, 2010, 11:07 PM

Err, what resolution are those Dirt 2 benches done in? Cause I can't find a resolution where my 5850 runs less than 50fps at 8xAA lol

I would wait for officials.

demo · Mar 23, 2010, 11:28 PM

at semi they are claiming that the fermi dirt2 benchmarks were defaulting to DX9..

"As it turns out, the numbers were indeed too good to be true. If you run the Dirt2 demo, the GTX470 and GTX480 drop back to DX9 mode, you can see it in the picture above. Since they are doing far less work, frame rates go up. Running the DX11 code path drop frames by around 25 to 40% for the same work. In the game itself, DX11 works just fine on the GTX480, so it is likely that the demo lacked the correct profile for the then unreleased and 6 months out GTX4x0s.
For some odd reason, that point wasn't mentioned in the Nvidia slides SemiAccurate saw. Sources deep inside Santa Clara have told SemiAccurate that this wasn't due to the TWIMTBP budget cuts, it is probably just the old 'Nvidia honesty' coming forward once again. For some reason, the real numbers that compare DX11 to DX11 versions didn't make their press presentations even though the game had been out for months by then. Funny that."

caveman-jim · Mar 23, 2010, 11:38 PM

Yah, thats kinda interesting isn't it?

Hapatingjaky · Mar 24, 2010, 01:03 AM

3 days we will know the truth. Kinda funny though the screenshot showing DX9 code path. Although they could've pulled the screenshot from anywhere.

Sr7Sr7 · Mar 24, 2010, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caveman-jim

Yah, thats kinda interesting isn't it?

No, not really. It only happens with the demo, and it's a demo bug. The devs probably hard-coded profiles for each card, and since 5870 was out then, they listed it in their application as supporting DX11, while the default fallback for un-recognized cards (i.e. the new Fermi boards) is DX9. Developers do this all the time with game settings.. they have a big table of preset modes and hard-code the settings presets based on the hardware available at the time they launch their game so gamers don't have to fiddle as much with settings when they first install a game.

Ideally they would've just enumerated supported API feature-sets, but meh, no big deal since it's specific to the demo...

bobvodka · Mar 24, 2010, 05:33 AM

sure, but it would have been a tad better if NV had a) made it clear or b) compared it to an ATi card also running DX9... you know, apples to apples and all that.

And is it only 3 days? I thought the NDA carried on until the monday for 3rd parties or have I got confused somewhere along the line?

Either way, it won't be long until we find out for sure who has been spinning BS (and then we get to watch them spin more BS to get out of it, heh) and who has been telling the truth..

Gredival · Mar 24, 2010, 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demowhc

at semi they are claiming that the fermi dirt2 benchmarks were defaulting to DX9..

Even if thats the case, I'm hard pressed to find a benchmark on the net, where the 5870 is goign below 50fps In DX11 benches in Dirt 2.

Mangler · Mar 24, 2010, 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gredival

Even if thats the case, I'm hard pressed to find a benchmark on the net, where the 5870 is goign below 50fps In DX11 benches in Dirt 2.

I find it even more odd that the gtx 480 would have a framerate that low in the dx9 mode.

SIrPauly · Mar 24, 2010, 08:35 AM

The cards are in the hands of third parties and will be in the hands of gamers shortly -- to finally put this drama to rest. It's been horrible -- the drama.

**acroig** · Mar 24, 2010, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIrPauly

The cards are in the hands of third parties and will be in the hands of gamers shortly -- to finally put this drama to rest. It's been horrible -- the drama.

QFT.

becco · Mar 24, 2010, 10:12 AM

true or fake?

aop · Mar 24, 2010, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by becco

true or fake?

http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulle...ostcount=18157

Fake.

Hapatingjaky · Mar 24, 2010, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by becco

true or fake?

Thats what I am expecting to see, not a huge increase.

H001iGAN · Mar 24, 2010, 10:30 AM

295 has same performance as 1 gtx 480, what happened to the 2.7x faster than gtx 285, also a 295 has scaling to deal with, I think it's false, but if it's true than that makes my gtx 285 SLI faster than a gtx 480 in Crysis. it looks like SLI will be necessary with Fermis to make graphics whores happy just like it always was. unless using low resolutions like 1080p.

becco · Mar 24, 2010, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aop

http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulle...ostcount=18157

Fake.

Translate please, since I dont understand what he said. Thank you.

EDIT: ups, Google Translate all the way to go

caveman-jim · Mar 24, 2010, 11:01 AM

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sera_phim · Mar 24, 2010, 11:09 AM

Gottta love the NV bull**** review / previews ...... as always

I hate cheaters....

Serotonin · Mar 24, 2010, 04:11 PM

I'm holding off regardless of performance, my GTX295 blows away whatever I throw at it and I STILL have yet to see anything warranting an upgrade to dx11, aside from bragging rights in a sig.

Aliens vs. Predator bombed, dirt 2 doesn't have enough features for me, I'll wait for a refresh from both companies and see where dx11 is then.

"dx11, the new dx10, lots of hype - no games and the reliance that gamer's don't learn from the past"

**acroig** · Mar 24, 2010, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrAg Of FuRy

Aliens vs. Predator bombed, dirt 2 doesn't have enough features for me, I'll wait for a refresh from both companies and see where dx11 is then.

"dx11, the new dx10, lots of hype - no games and the reliance that gamer's don't learn from the past"

Have you tried Metro 2033?

caveman-jim · Mar 24, 2010, 04:39 PM

It's a shame that the new DX11 hardware isn't any faster than the previous generation in DX10 or DX9.

OH wait...

traitoR · Mar 24, 2010, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrAg Of FuRy

I'm holding off regardless of performance, my GTX295 blows away whatever I throw at it and I STILL have yet to see anything warranting an upgrade to dx11, aside from bragging rights in a sig.

Aliens vs. Predator bombed, dirt 2 doesn't have enough features for me, I'll wait for a refresh from both companies and see where dx11 is then.

"dx11, the new dx10, lots of hype - no games and the reliance that gamer's don't learn from the past"

It's not normal for the average person to upgrade from the previous weeks highest performing card to start with, i don't see a whole lot of difference, most people upgrade when their gaming experience drops below acceptable levels not just because something new came out.

Obviously as of the last 6 months if a person was going to upgrade ATi offered a plethora of compelling products all with DX11 features, if it was as you suggest, Nvidia shouldn't of sold a single card the last 6 months. Some like me even purchased price reduced previous performance cards for considerable savings when the new product came out.

Serotonin · Mar 24, 2010, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acroig

Have you tried Metro 2033?

Nah, looks too much like Stalker, a series I find grossly overrated. And even if it's game play is better, I can live without paying $500 for a dx11, "rounder head"

I guess I'm just not an enthusiast anymore, paying $500 for a brag worthy sig just doesn't interest me like the old days.

Seriously, since the jump from dx8 to dx9, new api transitions just haven't been very impressive, be it due to consoles or whatever, I'm not asking or saying why, I'm just saying they haven't been.

The improvements are a lot more subtle than they used to be. And because of that I have a hard time justifying paying for upgrades when my current hardware runs everything fine and looks roughly 98.9% alike vs. the new api.

Quote:

Originally Posted by caveman-jim

It's a shame that the new DX11 hardware isn't any faster than the previous generation in DX10 or DX9.

OH wait...

And if you put aside the lame attempt at cockiness and actually read my post, I said frames were fine for me and what I own, what's 20 more frames do for a game that's already 100fps fluid, consistent?

Thought I was on your ignore list, I miss being there, put me back. I have this weakness of always having to respond to your ignorant, stupidity.

Kowan · Mar 25, 2010, 12:01 AM

Anth Seebel · Mar 25, 2010, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrAg Of FuRy

Nah, looks too much like Stalker, a series I find grossly overrated. And even if it's game play is better, I can live without paying $500 for a dx11, "rounder head"

I guess I'm just not an enthusiast anymore, paying $500 for a brag worthy sig just doesn't interest me like the old days.

Seriously, since the jump from dx8 to dx9, new api transitions just haven't been very impressive, be it due to consoles or whatever, I'm not asking or saying why, I'm just saying they haven't been.

The improvements are a lot more subtle than they used to be. And because of that I have a hard time justifying paying for upgrades when my current hardware runs everything fine and looks roughly 98.9% alike vs. the new api.

And if you put aside the lame attempt at cockiness and actually read my post, I said frames were fine for me and what I own, what's 20 more frames do for a game that's already 100fps fluid, consistent?

Thought I was on your ignore list, I miss being there, put me back. I have this weakness of always having to respond to your ignorant, stupidity.

+1 .. couldnt agree more..

traitoR · Mar 25, 2010, 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anth Seebel

+1 .. couldnt agree more..

LOL, who are you kidding ?

Anth Seebel · Mar 25, 2010, 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by traitoR

LOL, who are you kidding ?

what ? u presume im kidding ? im not , frag hit the nail on the head..

Ancient76 · Mar 25, 2010, 05:48 AM

Brendonmc · Mar 25, 2010, 07:58 AM

Whether fake or real, I reckon those numbers will be pretty right.
But can you imagine running 2 of those babies together in SLI at almost 100deg C? Smokin!!!!! Literally.

Kowan · Mar 25, 2010, 08:06 AM

I'd be using RivaTuner or EVGA's Precision to manage the fan speeds just like I do with my Tri-SLI now.

GanjaStar · Mar 25, 2010, 09:01 AM

crysis still owning cards left and right

its getting boring already. by the time someone gets 60fps in crysis it won't be compatible with the OS at the time

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Mar 23, 2010, 11:38 PM	#423
caveman-jim Deposed King of Rage3D Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 49,000	Yah, thats kinda interesting isn't it?

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bobvodka Sleeping. Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,877	sure, but it would have been a tad better if NV had a) made it clear or b) compared it to an ATi card also running DX9... you know, apples to apples and all that. And is it only 3 days? I thought the NDA carried on until the monday for 3rd parties or have I got confused somewhere along the line? Either way, it won't be long until we find out for sure who has been spinning BS (and then we get to watch them spin more BS to get out of it, heh) and who has been telling the truth..

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Mar 24, 2010, 04:11 PM	#438
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Mar 24, 2010, 04:39 PM	#440
caveman-jim Deposed King of Rage3D Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 49,000	It's a shame that the new DX11 hardware isn't any faster than the previous generation in DX10 or DX9. OH wait...

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Mar 25, 2010, 07:58 AM	#448
Brendonmc Newbie Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 2	Awsome benchies! Whether fake or real, I reckon those numbers will be pretty right. But can you imagine running 2 of those babies together in SLI at almost 100deg C? Smokin!!!!! Literally.

Mar 25, 2010, 08:06 AM	#449
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