Video: Flash Player 10.1 beta running on the Palm Pre

[Elysian]

Maybe a touch slow right now, but it is in beta, and I'm not sure if Palm has given Adobe more hardware access than the current SDK or not.


And the reason it's not going to the iPhone?

"When will Flash Player be available on the iPhone?
Adobe needs full support from Apple beyond what is available through the SDK to enable Web browsing of Flash-based content on the iPhone. While we have been working hard to make the browser plug-in available, without increased co-operation from Apple, it will not be possible. Adobe is therefore focusing our development work on the major smartphone platforms that are working with us to deliver the most innovative and complete web browsing experience. With more than 85 percent of the top 100 websites using Flash and approximately 75% of all videos on the Web using Flash, we still believe that Flash on the iPhone would greatly benefit the millions of joint Apple and Adobe customers"

Sorry iPhone owners, Apple being Apple as usual.

[monkeydust]

Originally Posted by Elysian

Sorry iPhone owners, Apple being Apple as usual.

They're prob thinking it is in their best interest financially to not allow it as it could cut into their app store revenue.

[Elysian]

Originally Posted by monkeydust

They're prob thinking it is in their best interest financially to not allow it as it could cut into their app store revenue.

It's also a good reason to release a complete refresh to the line, like adding video recording

Also, if Apple really does pass up on flash player, it will, IMO, hurt their market share, considering Adobe is working on flash player for 19 out of 20 of the major handsets on the market, that will be 19 phones that can do something the iPhone can't.

[Razeus]

Originally Posted by Elysian

It's also a good reason to release a complete refresh to the line, like adding video recording

Also, if Apple really does pass up on flash player, it will, IMO, hurt their market share, considering Adobe is working on flash player for 19 out of 20 of the major handsets on the market, that will be 19 phones that can do something the iPhone can't.

...as if that will stop the iphone from selling. Let's remember that iPhone didn't have many features that were in other phones since launch and completely dominated. And now the iPhone is approaching the market share of Blackberry. They already command more of the ad market share than Symbian. So again, lack Flash is NOT hurting Apple's market share.

Will Flash come to the iPhone? Maybe. But it's no secret that Apple wants to sell content via the App Store. The App Store is what has made the iPhone even more successful and other manufacture's, like Palm, trying to follow suit and copy the business model.

Let's be real, Palm would have never made the Pre if it wasn't for the iPhone. Until Palm got a bunch of Apple employees, they were useless and on the verge of bankruptcy. The Palm Pre is a failure, selling only ~500k Pre's since launch. That's embarrassing. Even Sprint's CEO said they couldn't even touch the iPhone. No wonder they had to do such a dramatic price cut to sell it. It's a half-azz product that doesn't even have it's own sync support and has to rely on Apple for syncing (when all they have to do is use the XML iTunes file and make their own syncware).

I'm not sure what you mean by offering a complete refresh of the line to add video recording, by the iPhone already does video recording.

[Elysian]

Originally Posted by Razeus

...as if that will stop the iphone from selling. Let's remember that iPhone didn't have many features that were in other phones since launch and completely dominated. And now the iPhone is approaching the market share of Blackberry. They already command more of the ad market share than Symbian. So again, lack Flash is NOT hurting Apple's market share.

Will Flash come to the iPhone? Maybe. But it's no secret that Apple wants to sell content via the App Store. The App Store is what has made the iPhone even more successful and other manufacture's, like Palm, trying to follow suit and copy the business model.

Let's be real, Palm would have never made the Pre if it wasn't for the iPhone. Until Palm got a bunch of Apple employees, they were useless and on the verge of bankruptcy. The Palm Pre is a failure, selling only ~500k Pre's since launch. That's embarrassing. Even Sprint's CEO said they couldn't even touch the iPhone. No wonder they had to do such a dramatic price cut to sell it. It's a half-azz product that doesn't even have it's own sync support and has to rely on Apple for syncing (when all they have to do is use the XML iTunes file and make their own syncware).

I'm not sure what you mean by offering a complete refresh of the line to add video recording, by the iPhone already does video recording.

Sure, the 3G did video recording, if you jailbroke it The Pre is a failure? You're a fool The Pre is already approaching 1 million phones sold, they sold out on Amazon, as the number one selling phone, when Amazon offered it at 99. Get your facts straight or shut it. The iPhone's numbers dropped off severely after the 3Gs launch as well, and you know it.

Let's be real here, since you failed to in your previous post. Apple cannot sit idly by and let other phone manufactures release phones that are better than it. They need to keep up, or actually innovate, instead of resting on their laurels. They are giving Palm and Blackberry and Nokia and Android all the space they need to catch up or surpass in the market, and it will happen, some day. Considering Flash is barely on Windows Mobile phones, you cannot logically say it is hurting Apple or not, until it's out on EVERY OTHER PHONE ON THE MARKET. Pull your head out of Apple's arse.

[dreamwalker]

This is definitely a feature I want to come to the iPhone -- if the jailbreakers can make it work, I'll JB mine.

[Razeus]

Everyone knows (Sprint AND Palm) that Pre didn't live up to expectations.

As far as iPhone sales, you're sadly mistaken.

In addition to Apple's near record-breaking Mac sales last quarter, iPhone sales jumped an astronomical 736% over last year. In the third quarter in 2008, Apple sold 717,000 iPhones for a total of $419 million; this year it sold 5.2 million and pulled down $1.6 billion in total iPhone revenue.

http://www.betanews.com/article/iPho...-Q3/1248224813

But I see you resorted to name calling and didn't disprove anything I said. Wow, they are approaching 1 million. I lol'd.

At the end of the first weekend, over a million 3GS units sold.

[Elysian]

Originally Posted by Razeus

Everyone knows (Sprint AND Palm) that Pre didn't live up to expectations.

As far as iPhone sales, you're sadly mistaken.


http://www.betanews.com/article/iPho...-Q3/1248224813

But I see you resorted to name calling and didn't disprove anything I said. Wow, they are approaching 1 million. I lol'd.

Pre didn't live up to expectations??? It surpassed EVERY speculation from before launch, how did it not live up to expectations?

Also, this is lolworthy:

Neither COO Tim Cook nor CFO and Senior Vice President Peter Oppenheimer could comment on the exact iPhone sales mix for "competitive reasons."

That tells me the 3G is still outselling the 3Gs

[Poacan]

Awesome that we're getting flash. It'll be nice to access the flash content websites. Lovin' the Pre so far. Got all the homebrew stuff goin' and with Preware/WebOSQI, it's amazing.

[Elysian]

Originally Posted by Poacan

Awesome that we're getting flash. It'll be nice to access the flash content websites. Lovin' the Pre so far. Got all the homebrew stuff goin' and with Preware/WebOSQI, it's amazing.

Stop loving it, your phone is a failure.

[Razeus]

Originally Posted by Elysian

Pre didn't live up to expectations??? It surpassed EVERY speculation from before launch, how did it not live up to expectations?

Also, this is lolworthy:




That tells me the 3G is still outselling the 3Gs

And they combined are outselling Pre.

Also, it's known that 3GS is sold in significantly less countries than the 3G AND the 3G is cheaper. No surprise there Sherlock.

Q: Is the Palm Pre making a dent into the iPhone market?
A: Aaah... It's-it's doing well, but you can almost put the iPhone, to be fair, in a separate category. The Apple brand and that device have done so well, it's almost not... it's like comparing someone to Michael Jordan.

From Sprint's own CEO.

http://gizmodo.com/5357447/sprint-ce...michael-jordan

[Poacan]

I know, that's what I keep hearing.

[Razeus]

Originally Posted by Poacan

I know, that's what I keep hearing.

Don't worry. The Pixi is coming out soon.

[Elysian]

Originally Posted by Razeus

And they combined are outselling Pre.

Also, it's known that 3GS is sold in significantly less countries than the 3G AND the 3G is cheaper. No surprise there Sherlock.

Q: Is the Palm Pre making a dent into the iPhone market?
A: Aaah... It's-it's doing well, but you can almost put the iPhone, to be fair, in a separate category. The Apple brand and that device have done so well, it's almost not... it's like comparing someone to Michael Jordan.

From Sprint's own CEO.

http://gizmodo.com/5357447/sprint-ce...michael-jordan

That's from before the Palm earnings report You keep posting that, you're a broken record. The amazing thing is, he tells the truth, and you think he's an idiot for it. Maybe I should start bringing up your old quotes about how you like the Pre any time you decide to put on your Apple blinders? Here's a real gem:

Originally Posted by Razeus

That's actually a nice phone. I'm glad to see that Palm as stepped up to the plate. Plus I always liked Sprint's pricing and data services. Too bad I don't know but 2-3 people who uses their service, but with their $99 Everything plan, this could be a win for them. I wasn't impressed by the Instinct, but with everyone I know who uses Sprint, seems to now have one.

I do like this phone and how they packed every feature but the kitchen sync in this small form factor. I hope this does well so Apple doesn't rest on their laurels with the iPhone and step it up a bit. Unfortunately I get more functionality from my iPhone Apps, something that Palm can't compete with.

The main issue for me would be the OS itself and it's speed and responsiveness. Especially this being a Palm OS and a new one at that. Glad they did it themselves because Windows Mobile is total garbage.

[Razeus]

Originally Posted by Elysian

That's from before the Palm earnings report You keep posting that, you're a broken record. The amazing thing is, he tells the truth, and you think he's an idiot for it. Maybe I should start bringing up your old quotes about how you like the Pre any time you decide to put on your Apple blinders? Here's a real gem:

Whoaaa, cowboy. I never said I didn't like the Pre. In fact, if you're on Sprint I recommend it. However, that doesn't change the fact that Pre hasn't lived up to expectations and has sold poorly. It certainly doesn't change the fact that when next to an iPhone, it doesn't even compare.

[Elysian]

Originally Posted by Razeus

Whoaaa, cowboy. I never said I didn't like the Pre. In fact, if you're on Sprint I recommend it. However, that doesn't change the fact that Pre hasn't lived up to expectations and has sold poorly. It certainly doesn't change the fact that when next to an iPhone, it doesn't even compare.

you're gonna have to back that up, as everything I read after the earnings report has said it exceeded analysts expectations.

[Elysian]

You also need to keep in mind Razeus, Sprint's CEO is going to be nice towards Apple, and say things like that, because he understands the iPhone will not be an AT&T exclusive forever, and hopes to one day sell the iPhone. Every carrier does.

[Razeus]

Originally Posted by Elysian

you're gonna have to back that up, as everything I read after the earnings report has said it exceeded analysts expectations.

Ok

After a much-hyped start, sales of the Palm Pre are beginning to fall short of earlier projections, causing one analyst to backpedal on estimates and downgrade the company in a research note issued Thursday.

Palm Pre sales fell from 200,000 units in June to 100,000 in July, with this month slated to be lower than July, Morgan Joseph Analyst Ilya Grozovsky wrote in a research note shared with InternetNews.com.

Grozovsky cut his estimate on Palm (NASDAQ: PALM) Pre unit sales for the August quarter to 350,000 from 400,000, which he says is already low relative to Wall Street expectations. He downgraded Palm to "sell" from "hold."

http://www.internetnews.com/mobility...pectations.htm

A leading financial analyst says sales of Palm's Pre smart phone are "not off to the races" and predicts quarterly sales will decline sharply. The company, meanwhile, announced it will no longer develop for Windows Mobile.

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente...pre_sales.html

[Elysian]

Originally Posted by Razeus

Ok

After a much-hyped start, sales of the Palm Pre are beginning to fall short of earlier projections, causing one analyst to backpedal on estimates and downgrade the company in a research note issued Thursday.

Palm Pre sales fell from 200,000 units in June to 100,000 in July, with this month slated to be lower than July, Morgan Joseph Analyst Ilya Grozovsky wrote in a research note shared with InternetNews.com.

Grozovsky cut his estimate on Palm (NASDAQ: PALM) Pre unit sales for the August quarter to 350,000 from 400,000, which he says is already low relative to Wall Street expectations. He downgraded Palm to "sell" from "hold."

http://www.internetnews.com/mobility...pectations.htm

A leading financial analyst says sales of Palm's Pre smart phone are "not off to the races" and predicts quarterly sales will decline sharply. The company, meanwhile, announced it will no longer develop for Windows Mobile.

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente...pre_sales.html

Both of those articles have proven inaccurate by the actual Palm earnings report.

http://www.prethinking.com/home/2009...ls-823000.html

Palm shipped a total of 823,000 smartphone units during the quarter, representing a 134 percent increase from the fourth quarter of fiscal year 2009 and a year-over-year decrease of 30 percent. Smartphone sell-through for the quarter was 810,000 units, up 76 percent from the fourth quarter of fiscal year 2009 and down 21 percent year-over-year.

823000 smart phones, of which, ~680k were Pre's. That is not a failure sir, that is a stepping stone, a building block.

Besides the iPhone, what other phones sold in better numbers than the Pre over the last quarter? Maybe some Blackberry's, maybe(and I highly doubt it) the MyTouch 3G, what else? Anything?

[Farmer_BOB]

Not to be biased at all, but I actually agree with Steve Jobs on this one.

Flash is slow and doesn't run very well on portable hardware. I've even seen a video from a car page (Mazda website) not run properly on a netbook running atom and Windows XP. The video was using Flash.

Also, Flash is a big security hole in itself. Aside from jail breaking, that's one of the reasons why you haven't really heard too many security issues with the iPhone. However, I'm not saying that someday they can possibly come up with a better implementation of Flash. Don't get me wrong, I'm on the same boat as you guys. I hope iPhone has flash support too someday down the road.

[Elysian]

Originally Posted by Farmer_BOB

Not to be biased at all, but I actually agree with Steve Jobs on this one.

Flash is slow and doesn't run very well on portable hardware. I've even seen a video from a car page (Mazda website) not run properly on a netbook running atom and Windows XP. The video was using Flash.

Also, Flash is a big security hole in itself. Aside from jail breaking, that's one of the reasons why you haven't really heard too many security issues with the iPhone. However, I'm not saying that someday they can possibly come up with a better implementation of Flash. Don't get me wrong, I'm on the same boat as you guys. I hope iPhone has flash support too someday down the road.

Flash 10 mobile is supposedly pretty enhanced. If it's running on the Pre without access to the GPU(which seems to be the case), then it looks like it's running pretty well to me.

[HAL10000]

Originally Posted by monkeydust

They're prob thinking it is in their best interest financially to not allow it as it could cut into their app store revenue.

Flash cannot really compete with AppStore apps. Flash is also bloated, a resource hog, and repeatedly discovered to have security holes. A surprising number of people truly despise Flash.

Preventing Flash on the iPhone makes the platform much more stable, as Flash on IE8 still causes that application to repeatedly hang, and in Safari, with Flash being totally sandboxed, you can almost feel whatever Flash program dying but at least doesn't bring the whole browser down.

I say good riddance to Flash.

[Elysian]

Originally Posted by HAL10000

Flash cannot really compete with AppStore apps. Flash is also bloated, a resource hog, and repeatedly discovered to have security holes. A surprising number of people truly despise Flash.

Preventing Flash on the iPhone makes the platform much more stable, as Flash on IE8 still causes that application to repeatedly hang, and in Safari, with Flash being totally sandboxed, you can almost feel whatever Flash program dying but at least doesn't bring the whole browser down.

I say good riddance to Flash.

You know as well as I it's not going anywhere for a long time.

[HAL10000]

Originally Posted by Elysian

Both of those articles have proven inaccurate by the actual Palm earnings report.

http://www.prethinking.com/home/2009...ls-823000.html



823000 smart phones, of which, ~680k were Pre's. That is not a failure sir, that is a stepping stone, a building block.

Besides the iPhone, what other phones sold in better numbers than the Pre over the last quarter? Maybe some Blackberry's, maybe(and I highly doubt it) the MyTouch 3G, what else? Anything?

The more looming question was why hasn't the Pre garnered more purchases outside of upgraders. The vast majority of Sprint customers upgraded to the Pre and few went to newer customers. There's a whole slough of things to remember, like how people cannot afford to break existing contracts, etc. Analysts demand constant growth, so if you don't get it, they whine. Then the stock drops, and executives at the company freak out, leading to possible bad long-term decisions but this isn't about problems with modern capitalism.

People were sort of spoiled by the iPhone experience in that it had massive buzz and huge initial sales to new customers and even with somewhat lowered expectations, the Palm Pre really hasn't delivered. All these new customers AT&T got is believed by many to have saved AT&T.

From all this, you end up with pieces like this: http://gigaom.com/2009/09/03/sprint-htc-hero-android/

(I still think most are holding off purchases because of the ongoing recession, IMHO)

[Farmer_BOB]

Originally Posted by Elysian

You know as well as I it's not going anywhere for a long time.

It didn't take very long for most websites to stop using active X and allow firefox to take about 30% of the browser market from IE.

Also seeing that a device can be successful without access to flash directly (iPhone has access to Youtube, minus flash but in most cases flash is required to playback Youtube content), it's possible.

I agree though to some extent that current paths don't really lead to an exit from Flash in general, but we'll see.

[Farmer_BOB]

Originally Posted by HAL10000

(I still think most are holding off purchases because of the ongoing recession, IMHO)

That's definitely the biggest factor.

The insiders though I'm sure are waiting to see if Apple will change carriers soon. Actually, that's just me. LoL

[genci88]

Originally Posted by HAL10000

Flash cannot really compete with AppStore apps. Flash is also bloated, a resource hog, and repeatedly discovered to have security holes. A surprising number of people truly despise Flash.

Preventing Flash on the iPhone makes the platform much more stable, as Flash on IE8 still causes that application to repeatedly hang, and in Safari, with Flash being totally sandboxed, you can almost feel whatever Flash program dying but at least doesn't bring the whole browser down.

I say good riddance to Flash.

Well, enjoy your crippled web experience I guess.

[Elysian]

Originally Posted by HAL10000

The more looming question was why hasn't the Pre garnered more purchases outside of upgraders. The vast majority of Sprint customers upgraded to the Pre and few went to newer customers. There's a whole slough of things to remember, like how people cannot afford to break existing contracts, etc. Analysts demand constant growth, so if you don't get it, they whine. Then the stock drops, and executives at the company freak out, leading to possible bad long-term decisions but this isn't about problems with modern capitalism.

People were sort of spoiled by the iPhone experience in that it had massive buzz and huge initial sales to new customers and even with somewhat lowered expectations, the Palm Pre really hasn't delivered. All these new customers AT&T got is believed by many to have saved AT&T. Also, Sprint's real strength right now is in it's Boost Mobile division, no contracts and a $50/month unlimited text and talk plan, but the Pre is not available for Boost customers.

From all this, you end up with pieces like this: http://gigaom.com/2009/09/03/sprint-htc-hero-android/

(I still think most are holding off purchases because of the ongoing recession, IMHO)

Sprint has been losing customers left and right for the past few years, but they have enjoyed a marked decrease in losses recently, which is why most Pre buyers are upgraders. AT&T is now starting to look really bad because of saturation.

Originally Posted by Farmer_BOB

It didn't take very long for most websites to stop using active X and allow firefox to take about 30% of the browser market from IE.

Also seeing that a device can be successful without access to flash directly (iPhone has access to Youtube, minus flash but in most cases flash is required to playback Youtube content), it's possible.

I agree though to some extent that current paths don't really lead to an exit from Flash in general, but we'll see.

Youtube's mobile site puts the vids out in 3GP format, so any phone can technically access Youtube. The Pre's Youtube app is pretty great, comparable in quality to the iPhone Youtube app. ActiveX was basically limited to Internet Explorer anyways, so it's no mystery why it was basically discontinued.

[chunk]

I'm loving my Pre. It's a great phone IMO.

[Farmer_BOB]

Originally Posted by Elysian

Youtube's mobile site puts the vids out in 3GP format, so any phone can technically access Youtube. The Pre's Youtube app is pretty great, comparable in quality to the iPhone Youtube app. ActiveX was basically limited to Internet Explorer anyways, so it's no mystery why it was basically discontinued.

I never really knew they encoded in 3GP. Thanks for the heads up, that's good to know.

At the time MS had 90% of the browser market, so IE was pretty much everything at the time. That's really the best analogy that I can come up with. LoL