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I usually dont post patch notes because most of the time people here dont care about wow, but there is a lot of, how should I say it, pissed off people on the wow forums right now. Basically what they did was made all 5 man heroics drop emblem of conquests For people who dont know, emblems are like currency for items, some items like tier pieces cost around 50 emblems, right now if you wanted conquest emblems you would have to do ulduar, the highest instance out right now, but with this new patch youll be seeing a lot of people who dont raid at all getting their tier 8 pieces.People are calling this the welfare patch, Blizzard has done this before, but no where near this level. I personally dont care, Ill still be doing Ulduar so it wont affect me, but for the casual out there, Blizzard just helped you bigtime Quote:
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“if it was left to me, I would raise the prices even further." Robert Kotick, Activision Blizzard CEO Last edited by Tork64 : Jun 19, 2009 at 01:51 AM. |
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Shwing shwong
Join Date: Feb 2004
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It's all been downhill since BC came imo. I miss being a high warlord and having actually earned my gear, fighting other people who earned their gear in bwl and mc. Now epics aren't epic at all, nobody knows who anyone is, and you hardly have to try to accomplish anything in the game.
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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And you can run cleave and RMP in 3s and do well no matter what. If they end up removing 2s (which is my favorite bracket cause it's more personal) im quitting the game, im not dancing to Blizz' song anymore.
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Join Date: Jul 2003
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People still play this game? I got bored after TBC when I realized what a rat race it was with Blizzard constantly using the carrot and stick approach but not delivering anything of worth other then OCD inspired rep grinds, dungeon grinds, pvp arena grinds, etc. There is nothing RPG-ish about WoW and the world is just a static place which loses its interest quickly after you realize you as a player have zero impact in the game environment. Last edited by Drift3r : Jun 19, 2009 at 06:26 PM. |
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IDDQD
Join Date: Jul 2004
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another patch, another round of nerfs, another unstoppable whining spree. this whole cycle is so predictable ![]() |
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Glad they are finally doing something about the whine fest that is 2v2. So tired of PvE being nerfed because of the terrible arena PvP.
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WoW = chat klient people dont play WoW they just log in to chat with others ![]()
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Weird, that's not what I was doing. Regarding the T8 badges , will the whole set be attainable from badges dropping from Heroics ? If so, have Blizz lost their god damn minds ? |
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I think a better move would have been to let emblem of valor drop in 5man heroics instead of conquest, that way people can get their t7 gear, but blizzard skipped that and went straight to t8 But it wont matter, cause people who suck will suck regardless of how good their gear is, if a warlock doesnt know his spell rotation then the best gear in the world wont help him. Ive seen players in blues rip apart players in full epics on the dmg/dps chart. Quote:
I had to blur out names, dont want alliance to know about horde taking halaa and try to sabotage it. lol ![]()
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“if it was left to me, I would raise the prices even further." Robert Kotick, Activision Blizzard CEO Last edited by Tork64 : Jun 19, 2009 at 04:36 AM. |
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The badge change is fine. You can only get 2 pieces of 8.5 and it will takes you months anyhow. I'd say 4 months of daily heroics is more than equal to turning up to a lucky Ulduar raid and getting the item given to you. This has to be one of the best patches we've had in terms of pvp. Leveling through PVP, twinks getting stuck in seporate BG, New AV-like BG, PVP gear obtainable by people who don't raid (over a long period of time). I usually get distracted pvping as I level (i am permanently in the queue as I level and join every BG I can). By the time I'm 80 I've been at honor cap for a good while. PvP is the only bit of the game random enough to be decent fun for me and the ability to level via it is going to make a huge difference. Ive given up tons of classes because doing the Outlands PVE content on my 13th alt is just too horrible. I'll be leveling through anything I don't like in wsg this time though!
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This patch finally did it for me. Account canceled for good. Now that I have this massive void of free time, who knows what I'll do. Perhaps I can grow up or something. |
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Nexus 4 Oculus 4 Drak'Tharon Keep 5 Utgarde Keep 3 Utgarde Pinnacle 4 Azjol-Nerub 3 Old Kingdom 5 CoT- Stratholme 4 Halls of Stone 3 Halls of Lightning 4 Gun'drak 3 Grand total of 42 in 1 day. so in 3.2 youll be able to get t8.5 helmet and chest piece t7.5 shoulders and leg piece t7 gloves from 5 man heroic ![]()
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Who is able to do every heroic in a day? Most "Casual" players will do 2 at best... more likely one. If you have the time to do every single heroic in the game per day then it doesn't matter because you could be raiding. I think a heroic every few days is the average for a non raider (seeing as how easy raiding is these days). In terms of time spent, going to 17 heroics has to be less than 2 runs of uldar (which is what it took my guild to get half of the bosses down). I've pugged uldar for a few hours and got some pieces with no trouble.
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![]() BTW for anyone who has runed orbs, id sell it before they end up being worth nothing..
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“if it was left to me, I would raise the prices even further." Robert Kotick, Activision Blizzard CEO Last edited by Tork64 : Jun 19, 2009 at 06:13 AM. |
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Most of the heroics are simple AOE brute force runthrough in 20-30 minutes tops, meaning usually 30-40 marks in 3 hours + weekly 22 or smt like that marks from Naxx10 and 25 each. Months to get the pieces? Don't make me laugh. |
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Hmm, it took me a lot longer than that to get all my heroic items, I think you guys are underestimating the time it takes. Still, If I can get a few uldar items in 3 days as you say thats fair enough. I've got more of a reason to bring my alts into raids to get the rest if I can get them enough to pull their weight. Everyone will be getting the new raid items anyway.
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Join Date: Jul 2003
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Is it just me or does it seam like every patch, the Warrior changes list is very small. This is by far the smallest on i seen yet, also the new block value system is going to rock for Prot PvP. How could i miss this one! o Strand of the Ancients + The faction starting on attack/defense will now be randomized at the start of each match. about #$@$ time! Last edited by Kovster : Jun 19, 2009 at 07:59 AM. |
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Join Date: May 2003
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I know I may get some flak for this but here goes... I gave it ago like the rest of us when it first came out and lets face it bar none the best MORP game period... That said the treadmill mentality of it got so bad and the time sink needed to do anything became unapproachable for folks that have lives outside of WOW. The simple fact is this recent patch is an attempt to get regular humans with jobs and lives to actually try and participate. I'm sure it pisses off the guys that paid their dues for sure however it's a business after all right? Capturing new people and or old ones that just don't have the time to raid is what they are doing... I'm pretty much done with WOW. If any other MORP is going to make it they are really going to have to innovate and change the way MORPs work. |
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The people who will blast through it and get em are probably the same as the ones who waste their life in raids. |
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You could still have a life outside of wow and get good gear, its not like before. Things have gotten so much easier for people to get gear with little work. But the thing is, most casuals dont raid, at all. I mean if they wanted epic gear all they would have to do is join one of the many naxx pugs and the group will carry them, they wouldnt even have to know the strategy. Ive helped people like this so many times where I dont need anything, its still fun so thats why I go.
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Raiding is piss easy. I still remember Blackwing Lair, and later AQ40. THAT was hardcore. Or even the old Naxxramas. Sunwell before the nerf... Lich King was an awesome expansion, imo, and the fact that they've lowered the difficulty is a good thing, while keeping the "elite" stuff in form of difficult achievements, but there are a few limits, in my opinion. There should be things only skilled player get, or if "skilled" is not a good word, there should be things only persistent players get. It's about motivation, to keep you going, to find a good guild, to get gear, etc. Now, if anyone can get the best gear available, what's the point of doing endgame content, and thus, what's the point in keeping the subscription active ? I mean, how many alts can you have ? You can't cheat in a MMO. You get what you get by putting in the effort. That's how it goes, and when a 13 year old comes flashing his T8 gear when he never even saw the entrance to Ulduar...I feel a bit cheated, tbh. |
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She's got them on sale
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Ok now it's gone beyond an issue of vets wanting noobs to "work" for it. This patch blatantly is babysitting. It's pretty pathetic that end game currency is now being made a mockery of. The mount changes are a joke, to fly as soon as you hit OL give you nothing to look forward to. People who were saving for epic flyers really don't need to bother now, because 150% speed if fine for farming. As far as balance, I don't like the removal or "reduction" of ret burst dmg. We depend on that, if we don't crit and blow off burst our first rotation we are a sitting duck for 3 or so second. The CS change is a nerf, I will have to wait and see DPS reading with the seal changes before I comment there. I see mages have not been addressed at all, so I'll still be avoiding them.
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yay look at all those mage changes i quit in april, but still follow mmo-champ once a week... there has been 0, zero, zilch done with mages in 2 months.
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IDDQD
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what state are mages in right now? when i left they were happily rocking mage armor with insane benefits and running around making people's lives miserable with arc blast spam. |
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So they made WoW even easier? People are whining about this?
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Just to add to this appalling emblem change, the reason given by Blizzard was something along the lines of: "To decrease the gear gap". Well I'll be, someone who is too lazy once they are 80 to farm Heroics, work to low tier raids, get naxx25 gear and THEN deserve to run Ulduar and get Conquest emblems and so forth. No, let's just let them get high tier gear for doing nearly anything now. It's not reducing the gap, it's fast-tracking lazy ****s. The whole point of Ulduar--well what it should be--is to make it something to work for. Why just have any Joe Bloe access Ulduar unique emblems right away? They already get the other 95% of content for doing basically nothing but level and playing a few H's/BGs. Getting to 80 is not even half the battle. Gearing up, and paying your dues and showing even slight dedication is to be rewarded. The few casual whiners win again. Hey let's just make every arena PVP piece accessible @ a 500 rating. It will help reduce the gear gap!
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Healthy Wealthy and Wise
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The craziest thing about it is nothing will change. The elites will still do the hardest possible content out there they can, the whiners will still suck and will still complain, and therefore the average guilds, the ones who are chugging through at a decent pace will be the victims in all of this. Oh btw just got 27 more emblems of conquest and unlocked 14 achievements. Now I can buy skill! |
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