Official nVidia 3d, IZ3D or other solution Stereo Thread - Page 17

SIrPauly · May 27, 2009, 05:34 PM

Personally have zero interest in displays that don't offer Stereo 3d now. This isn't perfect in its current state but it's here -- offers a ton for immersion -- and looking forward to future generations, more performance and maturity through software/hardware obviously.

Just the ability to improve huds and overlays in some games adds a lot to me and has changed WoW and Age of Empires significantly -- would try to add convergence to nice levels but the huds and overlays were sort of a double image and couldn't read text -- with this solved -- the pop out is insane. Just like to see this addressed in most titles -- if possible -- probably asking for too much but was surprised to see it at all.

It's going to be fun ride to see how this evolves and matures over time and still smile when I see it and enjoy showing it to friends.

Think about it:

Game at lower resolutions
Game with a smaller Screen
Takes a massive hit
Limitations with some cross-talk
Limitations with some in-game settings.
Hud displays, overlays may suffer in some titles.
Added costs

LOL! Loaded with excuses not to and could nit-pick to this to no-end but it's incredible to behold at times and had more WOW moments in a few weeks than I have had in 5 years.

**pahncrd** · May 27, 2009, 05:36 PM

Well... I'm convinced, it looks like I will be picking this up in the first half of next month.

SirBaron · May 27, 2009, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pahncrd

That is my plan as well... hmm... and you say it is totally worth the loss of screen size?

It's 3D or no game with me after having 3D again for the 2nd time. :P

Don't you have tri-sli though? Wont that be a issue?

**pahncrd** · May 27, 2009, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirBaron

It's 3D or no game with me after having 3D again for the 2nd time. :P

Don't you have tri-sli though? Wont that be a issue?

Of course it will, but I'm not just going to miss out on 3d. With any luck, nV will figure out the problems.

SIrPauly · May 27, 2009, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pahncrd

Of course it will, but I'm not just going to miss out on 3d. With any luck, nV will figure out the problems.

I knew about the top 2-3 inches of the screen with some ghosting up-front but this is an area of interest with my next monitor purchase. There is a bit on the bottom but using convergence gets rid of most of this.

IT all depends on game but personally like some depth with more convergence -- for the pop out -- if I add too much depth -- the cross-talk is much more noticeable and the fine-art of balancing -- depending on taste -- for each title.

Also been fooling around with adding a bit more negative lod bias to titles -- to really bring out textures considering the 1680 x 1050 per eye really helps clean things..............it's the oddest thing how clean things are and worth repeating because it was so surprising to me.

lumpyhed · May 28, 2009, 07:14 AM

Pahni, IZ3Ds next monitor will be a 26" though we have no idea as when it will come out & how it compares to current 24" on a 2D basis.

**pahncrd** · May 28, 2009, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumpyhed

Pahni, IZ3Ds next monitor will be a 26" though we have no idea as when it will come out & how it compares to current 24" on a 2D basis.

Don't those monitors have some limitations to resolution or something?

Exposed · May 28, 2009, 01:31 PM

Not sure if they have the same limitations. It's basically two LCD screen's in one. And not a bad price for $310 shipped

http://www.buy.com/prod/z3-technolog...209969045.html

SIrPauly · May 28, 2009, 01:33 PM

Decided to really try to get rid of cross-talk on top-of-the-screen today and was my goal for the gaming day. To my surprise convergence did get rid of it and transformed the title to something different this time in WoW -- everything was like animated figures this time -- and have read this view -- but now I understand what they were talking about. This feature is all about trade-offs.

SIrPauly · May 28, 2009, 03:39 PM

Empire Total War's overlays are not effected by convergence as well and when I added convergence to this title -- look out -- as my jaw dropped.

SIrPauly · May 29, 2009, 12:57 PM

Did get to play Crysis in 3D stereo -- while at times was jaw dropping, there were some issues that the rating was only a good rating -- like with the water, etc. It did raise the bar of suspense though as the added depth did change things - when walking in the jungles -- every branch - grass blade, rock --- so different though. Sneaking up on enemies was a hoot in 3d stereo and were the fire fights. This is not a showcase title to me -- certainly a different experience though.

SIrPauly · May 29, 2009, 09:20 PM

Well, almost had my first heart attack --- and jumped up in the air backwards and almost out of my chair while playing WoW -- A frigg'n horde jumped at me from the side ( flanked) and had no clue the horde was there ------- totally unexpected and he came out of the screen and my reflexes did take over.

Insane.

**pahncrd** · May 30, 2009, 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIrPauly

Did get to play Crysis in 3D stereo -- while at times was jaw dropping, there were some issues that the rating was only a good rating -- like with the water, etc. It did raise the bar of suspense though as the added depth did change things - when walking in the jungles -- every branch - grass blade, rock --- so different though. Sneaking up on enemies was a hoot in 3d stereo and were the fire fights. This is not a showcase title to me -- certainly a different experience though.

Way back in the long ago I played through the entirety of Boiling Point in Stereo 3d, and that was seriously a blast, and worked very well with stereo.

You just reminded me of that with the jungle talk.

SirBaron · May 30, 2009, 07:42 PM

Holy crap, not only is wolverine a really fun game with probably one of the best combat systems, it's even more amazing in 3D.

Everything looks great, especially when he's all torn up and you can see everything, plus all the huge draw distances and everything.

HonestJohn · Jun 1, 2009, 09:53 PM

Hey Pauly, Jethro is making you famous ...

http://forums.pcper.com/showpost.php...85&postcount=1

SIrPauly · Jun 2, 2009, 03:07 AM

It blows away 2d and looking forward to maturity and improvements as time passes. However, there are some hurdles, limitations -- and if a mind-set can't handle this or understand this -- then be patient and wait for another generation; to see if things mature.

SIrPauly · Jun 2, 2009, 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HonestJohn

Hey Pauly, Jethro is making you famous ...

http://forums.pcper.com/showpost.php...85&postcount=1

Read about that move to offer free Stereo with anaglyph glasses -- which is still neat though so many can see 3d stereo at some level -- to see how the added depth at least helps.

Good move!

Exposed · Jun 2, 2009, 08:54 AM

Another upcoming competitor to IZ3D and Geforce 3D:
http://www.slashgear.com/lg-23-inch-...video-2744917/

This looks like to be the best monitor of them all, featuring full HD resolution and passively polarized glasses. Time sequential split images, one for each eye. Looks like there's potential for zero ghosting with this type of setup.

HonestJohn · Jun 2, 2009, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIrPauly

Read about that move to offer free Stereo with anaglyph glasses -- which is still neat though so many can see 3d stereo at some level -- to see how the added depth at least helps.

Good move!

I would have mentioned it but your so up on this stuff I figured you already knew.

SIrPauly · Jun 2, 2009, 12:45 PM

It's good for the thread though and glad you mentioned it. It would be nice to see cheaper prices for 120hz screens and a reduction of the stereo 3d shutter glasses so more end-users may try; to see for themselves.

It's so hard to explain in words the difference; it is stark and massive the difference. So much more than what AA/AF did or 32-bit over 16-bit -- so much more than what a few new features may do or even raising the resolution -- the only thing that it may be similar to is when we jumped from software more to 3d.

It's still not perfect and to be objective one must raise this -- but the key is it may finally be here now moving forward -- to finally improve it. Every person I showed it to smiled.

SIrPauly · Jun 2, 2009, 02:52 PM

http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d_vision_discover.html

They also changed the 3d vision page, too.

OzzieBloke · Jun 3, 2009, 10:26 AM

I'm still hanging out for specs-free 3D. There are some displays that will be making an appearance later this year and next year...

SIrPauly · Jun 3, 2009, 02:16 PM

http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/802862...nv_060209.html

I'm really looking forward to see how far James Cameron can help push 3d stereo with future movies and games.

lumpyhed · Jun 5, 2009, 02:29 PM

New 186.08 are out with integrated 3D Vision support. Will have to do thisto make em work though.

SirBaron · Jun 5, 2009, 02:46 PM

So it looks like they are going to combine both drivers, about time I say :P.

**pahncrd** · Jun 8, 2009, 04:30 PM

Guess who just bought a 3d vision bundle ya bastards.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824001311
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824994036

Free shipping.

I should have the thing by Friday. If it isn't as good as you all say it is, I'll shank your ass in the shower.

SIrPauly · Jun 8, 2009, 04:46 PM

It's good -- but not perfect. There are areas I am looking for improvements and going to have fun with this though.

If someone is under the illusion of "ideal" or "perfect" this kind of mind-set may not be pleased. But if some one is experience driven and understands balances, tweaking and a little patience -- they may really like it.

**pahncrd** · Jun 8, 2009, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIrPauly

It's good -- but not perfect. There are areas I am looking for improvements and going to have fun with this though.

If someone is under the illusion of "ideal" or "perfect" this kind of mind-set may not be pleased. But if some one is experience driven and understands balances, tweaking and a little patience -- they may really like it.

Tell me it will be perfect dammit, or I am coming to get your ass and do things to it!!!!

SIrPauly · Jun 8, 2009, 06:28 PM

Hehe, no thanks!

Will be looking forward to what you think actually!

**pahncrd** · Jun 8, 2009, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIrPauly

Hehe, no thanks!

Will be looking forward to what you think actually!

I am curious to see how it stacks up to the older school e-dimensional kit I had before.

Any word whether they ever plan on getting sli and 3d stereo to work together? Physx and 3d stereo works right?

Is that Samsung monitor the best there is for this stuff? I didn't see any others around.

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SIrPauly Did someone say, RGSSAA? Join Date: May 2001 Location: New England Posts: 14,999	Personally have zero interest in displays that don't offer Stereo 3d now. This isn't perfect in its current state but it's here -- offers a ton for immersion -- and looking forward to future generations, more performance and maturity through software/hardware obviously. Just the ability to improve huds and overlays in some games adds a lot to me and has changed WoW and Age of Empires significantly -- would try to add convergence to nice levels but the huds and overlays were sort of a double image and couldn't read text -- with this solved -- the pop out is insane. Just like to see this addressed in most titles -- if possible -- probably asking for too much but was surprised to see it at all. It's going to be fun ride to see how this evolves and matures over time and still smile when I see it and enjoy showing it to friends. Think about it: Game at lower resolutions Game with a smaller Screen Takes a massive hit Limitations with some cross-talk Limitations with some in-game settings. Hud displays, overlays may suffer in some titles. Added costs LOL! Loaded with excuses not to and could nit-pick to this to no-end but it's incredible to behold at times and had more WOW moments in a few weeks than I have had in 5 years. __________________ *Really enjoy 3d gaming flexibility; a gamer's best friend!* *Just when you thought the world and its forums were doomed; a new hero saves the day:* http://i26.tinypic.com/okpfs8.jpg

May 27, 2009, 05:36 PM	#482
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May 28, 2009, 07:14 AM	#486
lumpyhed nyannyannyannyan Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Limeysville Posts: 12,541	Pahni, IZ3Ds next monitor will be a 26" though we have no idea as when it will come out & how it compares to current 24" on a 2D basis. Last edited by lumpyhed : May 28, 2009 at 07:20 AM.

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May 28, 2009, 01:31 PM	#488
Exposed Rage3D Veteran Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,385	Not sure if they have the same limitations. It's basically two LCD screen's in one. And not a bad price for $310 shipped http://www.buy.com/prod/z3-technolog...209969045.html

May 28, 2009, 01:33 PM	#489
SIrPauly Did someone say, RGSSAA? Join Date: May 2001 Location: New England Posts: 14,999	Decided to really try to get rid of cross-talk on top-of-the-screen today and was my goal for the gaming day. To my surprise convergence did get rid of it and transformed the title to something different this time in WoW -- everything was like animated figures this time -- and have read this view -- but now I understand what they were talking about. This feature is all about trade-offs. __________________ *Really enjoy 3d gaming flexibility; a gamer's best friend!* *Just when you thought the world and its forums were doomed; a new hero saves the day:* http://i26.tinypic.com/okpfs8.jpg

May 28, 2009, 03:39 PM	#490
SIrPauly Did someone say, RGSSAA? Join Date: May 2001 Location: New England Posts: 14,999	Empire Total War's overlays are not effected by convergence as well and when I added convergence to this title -- look out -- as my jaw dropped. __________________ *Really enjoy 3d gaming flexibility; a gamer's best friend!* *Just when you thought the world and its forums were doomed; a new hero saves the day:* http://i26.tinypic.com/okpfs8.jpg

May 29, 2009, 12:57 PM	#491
SIrPauly Did someone say, RGSSAA? Join Date: May 2001 Location: New England Posts: 14,999	Did get to play Crysis in 3D stereo -- while at times was jaw dropping, there were some issues that the rating was only a good rating -- like with the water, etc. It did raise the bar of suspense though as the added depth did change things - when walking in the jungles -- every branch - grass blade, rock --- so different though. Sneaking up on enemies was a hoot in 3d stereo and were the fire fights. This is not a showcase title to me -- certainly a different experience though. __________________ *Really enjoy 3d gaming flexibility; a gamer's best friend!* *Just when you thought the world and its forums were doomed; a new hero saves the day:* http://i26.tinypic.com/okpfs8.jpg

May 29, 2009, 09:20 PM	#492
SIrPauly Did someone say, RGSSAA? Join Date: May 2001 Location: New England Posts: 14,999	Well, almost had my first heart attack --- and jumped up in the air backwards and almost out of my chair while playing WoW -- A frigg'n horde jumped at me from the side ( flanked) and had no clue the horde was there ------- totally unexpected and he came out of the screen and my reflexes did take over. Insane. __________________ *Really enjoy 3d gaming flexibility; a gamer's best friend!* *Just when you thought the world and its forums were doomed; a new hero saves the day:* http://i26.tinypic.com/okpfs8.jpg

May 30, 2009, 07:42 PM	#494
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Jun 1, 2009, 09:53 PM	#495
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Jun 2, 2009, 03:07 AM	#496
SIrPauly Did someone say, RGSSAA? Join Date: May 2001 Location: New England Posts: 14,999	It blows away 2d and looking forward to maturity and improvements as time passes. However, there are some hurdles, limitations -- and if a mind-set can't handle this or understand this -- then be patient and wait for another generation; to see if things mature. __________________ *Really enjoy 3d gaming flexibility; a gamer's best friend!* *Just when you thought the world and its forums were doomed; a new hero saves the day:* http://i26.tinypic.com/okpfs8.jpg

Jun 2, 2009, 08:54 AM	#498
Exposed Rage3D Veteran Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,385	Another upcoming competitor to IZ3D and Geforce 3D: http://www.slashgear.com/lg-23-inch-...video-2744917/ This looks like to be the best monitor of them all, featuring full HD resolution and passively polarized glasses. Time sequential split images, one for each eye. Looks like there's potential for zero ghosting with this type of setup.

Jun 2, 2009, 12:45 PM	#500
SIrPauly Did someone say, RGSSAA? Join Date: May 2001 Location: New England Posts: 14,999	It's good for the thread though and glad you mentioned it. It would be nice to see cheaper prices for 120hz screens and a reduction of the stereo 3d shutter glasses so more end-users may try; to see for themselves. It's so hard to explain in words the difference; it is stark and massive the difference. So much more than what AA/AF did or 32-bit over 16-bit -- so much more than what a few new features may do or even raising the resolution -- the only thing that it may be similar to is when we jumped from software more to 3d. It's still not perfect and to be objective one must raise this -- but the key is it may finally be here now moving forward -- to finally improve it. Every person I showed it to smiled. __________________ *Really enjoy 3d gaming flexibility; a gamer's best friend!* *Just when you thought the world and its forums were doomed; a new hero saves the day:* http://i26.tinypic.com/okpfs8.jpg

Jun 2, 2009, 02:52 PM	#501
SIrPauly Did someone say, RGSSAA? Join Date: May 2001 Location: New England Posts: 14,999	http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d_vision_discover.html They also changed the 3d vision page, too. __________________ *Really enjoy 3d gaming flexibility; a gamer's best friend!* *Just when you thought the world and its forums were doomed; a new hero saves the day:* http://i26.tinypic.com/okpfs8.jpg

Jun 3, 2009, 10:26 AM	#502
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Jun 3, 2009, 02:16 PM	#503
SIrPauly Did someone say, RGSSAA? Join Date: May 2001 Location: New England Posts: 14,999	http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/802862...nv_060209.html I'm really looking forward to see how far James Cameron can help push 3d stereo with future movies and games. __________________ *Really enjoy 3d gaming flexibility; a gamer's best friend!* *Just when you thought the world and its forums were doomed; a new hero saves the day:* http://i26.tinypic.com/okpfs8.jpg

Jun 5, 2009, 02:29 PM	#504
lumpyhed nyannyannyannyan Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Limeysville Posts: 12,541	New 186.08 are out with integrated 3D Vision support. Will have to do thisto make em work though.

Jun 5, 2009, 02:46 PM	#505
SirBaron Rage3D Spammer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: England Posts: 17,320	So it looks like they are going to combine both drivers, about time I say :P. __________________ http://x32i.org/ Manufacturer Blacklist: Netgear, Linksys (no 64bit drivers) Digital Distribution Blacklist: Impulse... Just because :bleh: Fantards the scourge of the universe:

Jun 8, 2009, 04:30 PM	#506
pahncrd Stranger in a Strange LAN Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: [x, y, z] Posts: 16,792	Guess who just bought a 3d vision bundle ya bastards. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824001311 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824994036 Free shipping. I should have the thing by Friday. If it isn't as good as you all say it is, I'll shank your ass in the shower. __________________ Never ever order from the online BenQ shop store. They have horrible customer service. Here is how I know that. http://www.rage3d.com/board/showpost...postcount=3863

Jun 8, 2009, 04:46 PM	#507
SIrPauly Did someone say, RGSSAA? Join Date: May 2001 Location: New England Posts: 14,999	It's good -- but not perfect. There are areas I am looking for improvements and going to have fun with this though. If someone is under the illusion of "ideal" or "perfect" this kind of mind-set may not be pleased. But if some one is experience driven and understands balances, tweaking and a little patience -- they may really like it. __________________ *Really enjoy 3d gaming flexibility; a gamer's best friend!* *Just when you thought the world and its forums were doomed; a new hero saves the day:* http://i26.tinypic.com/okpfs8.jpg

Jun 8, 2009, 06:28 PM	#509
SIrPauly Did someone say, RGSSAA? Join Date: May 2001 Location: New England Posts: 14,999	Hehe, no thanks! Will be looking forward to what you think actually! __________________ *Really enjoy 3d gaming flexibility; a gamer's best friend!* *Just when you thought the world and its forums were doomed; a new hero saves the day:* http://i26.tinypic.com/okpfs8.jpg

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