nVIDIA GTX200 Preview: GTX260 and GTX280

ChrisRay · Jun 16, 2008, 07:13 AM

Today Nvidia launches the Geforce GTX260 and Geforce GTX280. Are they the true heirs apparent to the 8800GTX? Join Rage3D as we explore the features and technology behind Nvidia's new GTX200 series.

nVIDIA GTX200 Preview: GTX260 and GTX280

SIrPauly · Jun 16, 2008, 07:15 AM

Thanks!

SIrPauly · Jun 16, 2008, 07:24 AM

I was wondering about these two aspects:

Quote:

Internal Buffer structures have been upsized by 6x. This should provide a significant improvement to streamout performance.

With the GTX200 series, the Mad + Mul functions for each unit is fully exposed under all circumstance.

Nice performance with x16Q and glad you offer that setting.

Chris,

Do you know if you can use the mixed modes with these products? Or will be able to at all?

spajdr · Jun 16, 2008, 07:32 AM

Chris : what about min.fps in that SLI GTX 280 test? how much fps fall down?

Debello · Jun 16, 2008, 07:54 AM

Great job Chris

Did Nvidia include multi monitor SLI, similar to ATI has implemented in the past? Or atleast remove the need to reboot to enable SLI?

spajdr · Jun 16, 2008, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Debello

Did Nvidia include multi monitor SLI, similar to ATI has implemented in the past? Or atleast remove the need to reboot to enable SLI?

I didnt need to reboot PC to enable SLI, never

since 8800GTX, GT, GTS, Ultra, 9600GT, just windows jumps for few seconds into dos like mode and jumps back to gfx panel SLI settings.

Debello · Jun 16, 2008, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spajdr

I didnt need to reboot PC to enable SLI, never

since 8800GTX, GT, GTS, Ultra, 9600GT, just windows jumps for few seconds into dos like mode and jumps back to gfx panel SLI settings.

I havent ran SLI since the 7800GTX days, so I didnt know. But the lack of mulit monitor SLI is really a turn off, because I really really really want to build a system based off of these. But I cant live with out a second monitor and dont want to switch between SLI and Non SLI. Besides when paying a premium you would think premium features would be included. Not knocking Nvidia, for a single chip solution it is pretty impressive, I guess Ill just hang out for the R700 reviews.

At some point it would be interesting to see a Phenom GTX 280 system vs. a Q6600 GTX 280 system.

Dandingo · Jun 16, 2008, 08:32 AM

How about some 1680x1050 results with "high" settings and 4xAA?

Wotan81 · Jun 16, 2008, 09:00 AM

Available in Sweden from US $ 900+ for the GTX 280!

http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=354806

Danny Nissan · Jun 16, 2008, 10:44 AM

Thanks Chris!

ChrisRay · Jun 16, 2008, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Debello

I havent ran SLI since the 7800GTX days, so I didnt know. But the lack of mulit monitor SLI is really a turn off, because I really really really want to build a system based off of these. But I cant live with out a second monitor and dont want to switch between SLI and Non SLI. Besides when paying a premium you would think premium features would be included. Not knocking Nvidia, for a single chip solution it is pretty impressive, I guess Ill just hang out for the R700 reviews.

At some point it would be interesting to see a Phenom GTX 280 system vs. a Q6600 GTX 280 system.

SLI Multi monitor addressing is coming soon. I must admit. I'm a little surprised by some of the results other websites are getting. The results are all over the place.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIrPauly

I was wondering about these two aspects:

Nice performance with x16Q and glad you offer that setting.

Chris,

Do you know if you can use the mixed modes with these products? Or will be able to at all?

Mixed modes work fine. As a matter of fact. Due the insane amount of memory available. The GTX 260/280 can run 32xS with little trouble at 1680x1050 with SLI.

ChrisRay · Jun 16, 2008, 11:11 AM

Some very high results run on Crysis off my Intel Q6600 system.

Very High 16xAA/16xAF GTX 280 SLI

Very High 16xAA/16xAF GTX 260 3 Way SLI

What surprises me most is the luck some reviewers are claiming to have with the 9800GX2 @ Very High. I've never had that kind of luck. Crysis scaling has always been fairly poor at High/Medium settings for me.

SIrPauly · Jun 16, 2008, 11:20 AM

Awesome! Thanks for sharing!

Kowan · Jun 16, 2008, 11:22 AM

Thankyou for adding 16AA/16Q ChrisRay.

I use those setting when possible. The mixed modes I'll play with later.

sebazve · Jun 16, 2008, 11:38 AM

this is one big gpu

. i read on anand that you need a 1200w power supply to run it on SLI

insane, jeje...

Nascar24 · Jun 16, 2008, 11:42 AM

$650! Ouch!

KickAssCop · Jun 16, 2008, 11:47 AM

Will a GTX 260 run on a 520W PSU with the specs I have in my rig?

DivotMaker · Jun 16, 2008, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sebazve

this is one big gpu

. i read on anand that you need a 1200w power supply to run it on SLI

insane, jeje...

Interesting...I am hearing that a 750-800W will work based on what some other review sites are stating such as [H], etc....

ChrisRay · Jun 16, 2008, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DivotMaker

Interesting...I am hearing that a 750-800W will work based on what some other review sites are stating such as [H], etc....

You definately dont need a 1.2K PSU for 2 way GTX 280 SLI. The big issue is finding a PSU that has 8 pin compatibility that has less than 800 watts.

Chris

Quote:

Originally Posted by KickAssCop

Will a GTX 260 run on a 520W PSU with the specs I have in my rig?

I dont see any specs in your sig? Typically I find the 8800GTX and GTX 260 to be very close in power consumption.

ChrisRay · Jun 16, 2008, 12:03 PM

I do apologize for my own e-peen stroking here... but...

GTX 260 3 way SLI Q6600.

GTX 280 SLI 9600 Phenom Rig

Debello · Jun 16, 2008, 12:05 PM

Nice, does the cards come with the Dual/Tri SLI connector or does it come with the motherboard.

ChrisRay · Jun 16, 2008, 12:06 PM

SLI connectors come with motherboards. I think I have like 6 3 way connectors now so I just use them because they're sturdy.

cvearl · Jun 16, 2008, 12:13 PM

Nice job! I

this site.

And finally... a card at $400 (perhaps even less very soon) that can handle 1680x1050 with AA and AF in pretty much every game out there with very smooth framerates.

Depending on the success of the 4870, the 260 might be my next card.

Charles.

spajdr · Jun 16, 2008, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spajdr

Chris : what about min.fps in that SLI GTX 280 test? how much fps fall down?

ChrisRay · Jun 16, 2008, 12:19 PM

What test are you referring too?

acroig · Jun 16, 2008, 12:22 PM

I know some of you don't like the [H] but I've been saying this for a while now:

"You know what we really need? More games to challenge our video cards! Age of Conan is a step in the right direction, now we need more! More are coming this fall; unfortunately it just means we have to wait. There are several good games to look forward to including FarCry 2, STALKER Clear Skies, Brothers in Arms, Spore, and Alan Wake just to name a few. But unless you are currently playing Conan on a large resolution monitor, it is hard to make the argument that either the 260 or 280 cards are big values."

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...VudGh1c2lhc3Q=

Kinda hard to justify an expensive upgrade when there's really little new to play.

My thanks to Chris for his usual great job.

SSXeon · Jun 16, 2008, 12:23 PM

Am I the only one thats very underwhelmed? Its really not a whole lot faster then the 9800GX2, cept the min frames must be ALOT better, and @ higher res the 1GB helps alot.

ChrisRay · Jun 16, 2008, 12:28 PM

Its a single card. Anyone who expected the GTX 280 to manhandle a well scaling SLI solution had pretty unrealistic expectations. The advantages of the GTX 260/280 is they arent artificially hamstrunged by memory like the 9800GX2. Often the 9800GX2 potential ends up limited by its memory rather than SLI scaling. As Single GPU card they do not rely on AFR rendering. When you put either into a Tri SLI setup. They completely man handle any 9800Gx2 Quad setup due to the memory and bandwith available to them for the resolutions these setups are designed for.

Chris

acroig · Jun 16, 2008, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisRay

Anyone who expected the GTX 280 to manhandle a well scaling SLI solution had pretty unrealistic expectations.

You mean the way that G80 was able to manhandle a 7900 SLI setup?

G80 spoiled us all.

ChrisRay · Jun 16, 2008, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acroig

You mean the way that G80 was able to manhandle a 7900 SLI setup?

G80 spoiled us all.

The 7900GTX SLI was faster than a Geforce 8800GTX. People seem to commonly forget this. I didnt gain anything upgrading my 7900GTX SLI to G80. It wasnt until I got a second G80 card did I really see the huge performance increase. The only difference is the G80 had advanced IQ features, New DX 10. Unified shaders and full FP32 precision. ALl of which made the 8800GTX more attractive. The GT200 is modified G80 with increased shaders and reduced redundancy. But other than performance the GT200 doesnt offer the same kind of "this is new" feeling. I would not a expect a big shift in performance/quality until we see the next gen hardware.

The G80 to Gt200 is as the NV4x to G7x was.

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Jun 16, 2008, 07:54 AM	#5
Debello Please vote "Present" Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 4,667	Great job Chris Did Nvidia include multi monitor SLI, similar to ATI has implemented in the past? Or atleast remove the need to reboot to enable SLI? __________________ *Play on Wayman Tisdale (1964-2009) you crazy cat you.* *Steve "Air" McNair (1973-2009), luv ya blue.* Last edited by Debello : Jun 16, 2008 at 08:27 AM.

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Jun 16, 2008, 07:15 AM	#2
SIrPauly Did someone say, RGSSAA? Join Date: May 2001 Location: New England Posts: 8,987	Thanks!

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Jun 16, 2008, 11:11 AM	#12
ChrisRay SLIZONE Forum Support Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 3,548	Some very high results run on Crysis off my Intel Q6600 system. Very High 16xAA/16xAF GTX 280 SLI Very High 16xAA/16xAF GTX 260 3 Way SLI What surprises me most is the luck some reviewers are claiming to have with the 9800GX2 @ Very High. I've never had that kind of luck. Crysis scaling has always been fairly poor at High/Medium settings for me. __________________ Nvidia User Group Member and SLIZONE administrator: New 3 Way Fermi Ready Rig.

Jun 16, 2008, 11:20 AM	#13
SIrPauly Did someone say, RGSSAA? Join Date: May 2001 Location: New England Posts: 8,987	Awesome! Thanks for sharing!

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Jun 16, 2008, 12:03 PM	#20
ChrisRay SLIZONE Forum Support Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 3,548	I do apologize for my own e-peen stroking here... but... GTX 260 3 way SLI Q6600. GTX 280 SLI 9600 Phenom Rig __________________ Nvidia User Group Member and SLIZONE administrator: New 3 Way Fermi Ready Rig.

Jun 16, 2008, 12:05 PM	#21
Debello Please vote "Present" Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 4,667	Nice, does the cards come with the Dual/Tri SLI connector or does it come with the motherboard. __________________ *Play on Wayman Tisdale (1964-2009) you crazy cat you.* *Steve "Air" McNair (1973-2009), luv ya blue.*

Jun 16, 2008, 12:06 PM	#22
ChrisRay SLIZONE Forum Support Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 3,548	SLI connectors come with motherboards. I think I have like 6 3 way connectors now so I just use them because they're sturdy. __________________ Nvidia User Group Member and SLIZONE administrator: New 3 Way Fermi Ready Rig.

Jun 16, 2008, 12:13 PM	#23
cvearl God uses ATI. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 6,011	Nice job! I this site. And finally... a card at $400 (perhaps even less very soon) that can handle 1680x1050 with AA and AF in pretty much every game out there with very smooth framerates. Depending on the success of the 4870, the 260 might be my next card. Charles. __________________ *Always 2 there are....* Master: Intel C2D 8400 (3.0GHz) \| 4GB PC2-6400 RAM \| ATI Radeon 4870 \| AUDIGY SOUND \| Samsung 2232GW 22" WS LCD \| Vista 32bit SP1 Apprentice: AMD A64 3200+ \| 2GB PC3200 RAM \| X1900XT 256MB \| Onboard Sound \| 19" Samsung 931c LCD What I usually play?? Flight and Racing Simulations! :) Battle of Britain II:Wings of Victory, GTR2, Race 07 and Richard Burns Rally (Best Rally SIM of all time). I only stop simming if something exceptional comes out. Playing now? With my 4870. ;) Last edited by cvearl : Jun 16, 2008 at 12:38 PM.

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Jun 16, 2008, 12:19 PM	#25
ChrisRay SLIZONE Forum Support Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 3,548	What test are you referring too? __________________ Nvidia User Group Member and SLIZONE administrator: New 3 Way Fermi Ready Rig.

Jun 16, 2008, 12:22 PM	#26
acroig Rage3D Veteran Join Date: May 2004 Location: GA Posts: 17,336	I know some of you don't like the [H] but I've been saying this for a while now: "You know what we really need? More games to challenge our video cards! Age of Conan is a step in the right direction, now we need more! More are coming this fall; unfortunately it just means we have to wait. There are several good games to look forward to including FarCry 2, STALKER Clear Skies, Brothers in Arms, Spore, and Alan Wake just to name a few. But unless you are currently playing Conan on a large resolution monitor, it is hard to make the argument that either the 260 or 280 cards are big values." http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...VudGh1c2lhc3Q= Kinda hard to justify an expensive upgrade when there's really little new to play. My thanks to Chris for his usual great job.

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Jun 16, 2008, 12:23 PM	#27
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Jun 16, 2008, 12:28 PM	#28
ChrisRay SLIZONE Forum Support Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 3,548	Its a single card. Anyone who expected the GTX 280 to manhandle a well scaling SLI solution had pretty unrealistic expectations. The advantages of the GTX 260/280 is they arent artificially hamstrunged by memory like the 9800GX2. Often the 9800GX2 potential ends up limited by its memory rather than SLI scaling. As Single GPU card they do not rely on AFR rendering. When you put either into a Tri SLI setup. They completely man handle any 9800Gx2 Quad setup due to the memory and bandwith available to them for the resolutions these setups are designed for. Chris __________________ Nvidia User Group Member and SLIZONE administrator: New 3 Way Fermi Ready Rig.

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