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Old Jun 16, 2008, 07:13 AM   #1
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Today Nvidia launches the Geforce GTX260 and Geforce GTX280. Are they the true heirs apparent to the 8800GTX? Join Rage3D as we explore the features and technology behind Nvidia's new GTX200 series.

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Old Jun 16, 2008, 07:15 AM   #2
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Old Jun 16, 2008, 07:24 AM   #3
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I was wondering about these two aspects:

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Internal Buffer structures have been upsized by 6x. This should provide a significant improvement to streamout performance.

With the GTX200 series, the Mad + Mul functions for each unit is fully exposed under all circumstance.
Nice performance with x16Q and glad you offer that setting.

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Do you know if you can use the mixed modes with these products? Or will be able to at all?
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Chris : what about min.fps in that SLI GTX 280 test? how much fps fall down?
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Old Jun 16, 2008, 07:54 AM   #5
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Great job Chris

Did Nvidia include multi monitor SLI, similar to ATI has implemented in the past? Or atleast remove the need to reboot to enable SLI?
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Did Nvidia include multi monitor SLI, similar to ATI has implemented in the past? Or atleast remove the need to reboot to enable SLI?
I didnt need to reboot PC to enable SLI, never since 8800GTX, GT, GTS, Ultra, 9600GT, just windows jumps for few seconds into dos like mode and jumps back to gfx panel SLI settings.
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Old Jun 16, 2008, 08:26 AM   #7
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I didnt need to reboot PC to enable SLI, never since 8800GTX, GT, GTS, Ultra, 9600GT, just windows jumps for few seconds into dos like mode and jumps back to gfx panel SLI settings.
I havent ran SLI since the 7800GTX days, so I didnt know. But the lack of mulit monitor SLI is really a turn off, because I really really really want to build a system based off of these. But I cant live with out a second monitor and dont want to switch between SLI and Non SLI. Besides when paying a premium you would think premium features would be included. Not knocking Nvidia, for a single chip solution it is pretty impressive, I guess Ill just hang out for the R700 reviews.

At some point it would be interesting to see a Phenom GTX 280 system vs. a Q6600 GTX 280 system.
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How about some 1680x1050 results with "high" settings and 4xAA?
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Available in Sweden from US $ 900+ for the GTX 280!

http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=354806
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I havent ran SLI since the 7800GTX days, so I didnt know. But the lack of mulit monitor SLI is really a turn off, because I really really really want to build a system based off of these. But I cant live with out a second monitor and dont want to switch between SLI and Non SLI. Besides when paying a premium you would think premium features would be included. Not knocking Nvidia, for a single chip solution it is pretty impressive, I guess Ill just hang out for the R700 reviews.

At some point it would be interesting to see a Phenom GTX 280 system vs. a Q6600 GTX 280 system.
SLI Multi monitor addressing is coming soon. I must admit. I'm a little surprised by some of the results other websites are getting. The results are all over the place.


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Nice performance with x16Q and glad you offer that setting.

Chris,

Do you know if you can use the mixed modes with these products? Or will be able to at all?

Mixed modes work fine. As a matter of fact. Due the insane amount of memory available. The GTX 260/280 can run 32xS with little trouble at 1680x1050 with SLI.
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Old Jun 16, 2008, 11:11 AM   #12
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Some very high results run on Crysis off my Intel Q6600 system.




Very High 16xAA/16xAF GTX 280 SLI






Very High 16xAA/16xAF GTX 260 3 Way SLI




What surprises me most is the luck some reviewers are claiming to have with the 9800GX2 @ Very High. I've never had that kind of luck. Crysis scaling has always been fairly poor at High/Medium settings for me.
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Old Jun 16, 2008, 11:20 AM   #13
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Awesome! Thanks for sharing!
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Thankyou for adding 16AA/16Q ChrisRay.
I use those setting when possible. The mixed modes I'll play with later.
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this is one big gpu . i read on anand that you need a 1200w power supply to run it on SLI insane, jeje...
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Old Jun 16, 2008, 11:47 AM   #17
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Will a GTX 260 run on a 520W PSU with the specs I have in my rig?
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this is one big gpu . i read on anand that you need a 1200w power supply to run it on SLI insane, jeje...
Interesting...I am hearing that a 750-800W will work based on what some other review sites are stating such as [H], etc....
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Interesting...I am hearing that a 750-800W will work based on what some other review sites are stating such as [H], etc....
You definately dont need a 1.2K PSU for 2 way GTX 280 SLI. The big issue is finding a PSU that has 8 pin compatibility that has less than 800 watts.

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Will a GTX 260 run on a 520W PSU with the specs I have in my rig?
I dont see any specs in your sig? Typically I find the 8800GTX and GTX 260 to be very close in power consumption.
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I do apologize for my own e-peen stroking here... but...


GTX 260 3 way SLI Q6600.




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Nice, does the cards come with the Dual/Tri SLI connector or does it come with the motherboard.
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SLI connectors come with motherboards. I think I have like 6 3 way connectors now so I just use them because they're sturdy.
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Old Jun 16, 2008, 12:13 PM   #23
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Nice job! I this site.

And finally... a card at $400 (perhaps even less very soon) that can handle 1680x1050 with AA and AF in pretty much every game out there with very smooth framerates.

Depending on the success of the 4870, the 260 might be my next card.

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What test are you referring too?
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I know some of you don't like the [H] but I've been saying this for a while now:

"You know what we really need? More games to challenge our video cards! Age of Conan is a step in the right direction, now we need more! More are coming this fall; unfortunately it just means we have to wait. There are several good games to look forward to including FarCry 2, STALKER Clear Skies, Brothers in Arms, Spore, and Alan Wake just to name a few. But unless you are currently playing Conan on a large resolution monitor, it is hard to make the argument that either the 260 or 280 cards are big values."

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...VudGh1c2lhc3Q=

Kinda hard to justify an expensive upgrade when there's really little new to play.

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Am I the only one thats very underwhelmed? Its really not a whole lot faster then the 9800GX2, cept the min frames must be ALOT better, and @ higher res the 1GB helps alot.
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Its a single card. Anyone who expected the GTX 280 to manhandle a well scaling SLI solution had pretty unrealistic expectations. The advantages of the GTX 260/280 is they arent artificially hamstrunged by memory like the 9800GX2. Often the 9800GX2 potential ends up limited by its memory rather than SLI scaling. As Single GPU card they do not rely on AFR rendering. When you put either into a Tri SLI setup. They completely man handle any 9800Gx2 Quad setup due to the memory and bandwith available to them for the resolutions these setups are designed for.

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Anyone who expected the GTX 280 to manhandle a well scaling SLI solution had pretty unrealistic expectations.
You mean the way that G80 was able to manhandle a 7900 SLI setup?

G80 spoiled us all.
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You mean the way that G80 was able to manhandle a 7900 SLI setup?

G80 spoiled us all.
The 7900GTX SLI was faster than a Geforce 8800GTX. People seem to commonly forget this. I didnt gain anything upgrading my 7900GTX SLI to G80. It wasnt until I got a second G80 card did I really see the huge performance increase. The only difference is the G80 had advanced IQ features, New DX 10. Unified shaders and full FP32 precision. ALl of which made the 8800GTX more attractive. The GT200 is modified G80 with increased shaders and reduced redundancy. But other than performance the GT200 doesnt offer the same kind of "this is new" feeling. I would not a expect a big shift in performance/quality until we see the next gen hardware.

The G80 to Gt200 is as the NV4x to G7x was.
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