HD 2900 XT anisotropic filtering in DX10?

[Vengeance]

Has anyone here read this and tested the anisotropic filtering in any DX 10 games on the HD2900XT? And no this isn't from [H] its TR but so far they have been spot on. But I figured someone here could test it for themselfs.

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/20...b/index.x?pg=4

[jolle]

Seems a bit fishy.
Bound to be a driver issue, and as such ATi most likely knows about it but havent informed people.
With all the controversy and mudslinging already taking place around the DX10 benchmarks done, this isnt gonna look very good.

[SSXeon]

Still cant play the demo, i have no idea. This is only of the few games that run like crap on my card or dont run at all, i hope it does get fixed. I still find it odd that the GTS loses ALOT of performance in DX10 mode, yet the GTX doesnt?

[becco]

afaik it's Lost Planet TWIMTBP

Previously, Lost Planet was a title exclusive to the XBOX 360 platform, but with the help of Nvidia has been ported to the PC 6 months later.
http://www.geforce3d.net/index/node/44

[SSXeon]

Originally Posted by BECCO

afaik it's Lost Planet TWIMTBP

DUH

[Debello]

Even Call of Juarez has issues with anisotropic filtering in DX10 mode.

[Rifle_shot]

yeah this is definitely not the game to judge the cards on--- we need more dx10 games--- bioshock comes out in 21 days(i believe)... that should be interesting to see---

[Humus]

It's a bug, but it has been fixed.

[SSXeon]

Originally Posted by Humus

It's a bug, but it has been fixed.

HOLY CRAP! Humus hey man long time no see!

[Debello]

Originally Posted by Humus

It's a bug, but it has been fixed.

The bug has been fixed but what kind of performance loss are we going to see?

[jolle]

Originally Posted by Humus

It's a bug, but it has been fixed.

Bug in the drivers?
fixed in 7.8?

[Vengeance]

Originally Posted by Debello

The bug has been fixed but what kind of performance loss are we going to see?

Good Question!

[IbaneZ]

So, what works in this chip? Enable FSAA and performace drops like a stone. And now we're hearing that AF is borked too?

Bring on R700. Or R800...or R900....

[Debello]

Originally Posted by Vengeance

Has anyone here read this and tested the anisotropic filtering in any DX 10 games on the HD2900XT? And no this isn't from [H] its TR but so far they have been spot on. But I figured someone here could test it for themselfs.

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/20...b/index.x?pg=4

And yes it has been mentioned before a while ago http://www.rage3d.com/board/showpost...6&postcount=37

Originally Posted by IbaneZ

So, what works in this chip? Enable FSAA and performace drops like a stone. And now we're hearing that AF is borked too?

Bring on R700. Or R800...or R900....

Lost Planet (DX9 DX10) and Call of Jueraz are the only two games that I have found that the 2900 didnt apply AF to properly from the CCC.

The leaked 8.4 have the fix, the performance drop is as expected when turning AF up to 16x. Not that you will be running CoJ or LP with 16x AF any ways and want playable FPS.

[Humus]

Originally Posted by SSXeon

HOLY CRAP! Humus hey man long time no see!

I've been around all the time. I usually hang around in off-topic though.

Originally Posted by jolle

fixed in 7.8?

Don't know. All I know it works in recent internal builds, and that it didn't work before.

Originally Posted by IbaneZ

And now we're hearing that AF is borked too?

Nothing's broken about the AF. It's just a driver bug. Things like that happen when you write a new driver for a new API for new hardware in a new OS.

[Sound_Card]

Originally Posted by Humus

Nothing's broken about the AF. It's just a driver bug. Things like that happen when you write a new driver for a new API for new hardware in a new OS.

Never mind them. Folks are out on a witch hunt for anything sour on ATi.

[Xion X2]

Originally Posted by Sound_Card

Never mind them. Folks are out on a witch hunt for anything sour on ATi.

Ain't that the truth.

[JethroBodine]

Originally Posted by Sound_Card

Never mind them. Folks are out on a witch hunt for anything sour on ATi.

Actually people just want to have valid information to base buying decisions on.

As the drivers are not released, and we have no date they will be, don't you think people buying this DX10 card might want to know they can only play COJ, Lost Planet, and COH without AF?

+ rep for Vengeance for bringing accurate, important information to the public eye

[SSXeon]

Originally Posted by JethroBodine

Actually people just want to have valid information to base buying decisions on.

As the drivers are not released, and we have no date they will be, don't you think people buying this DX10 card might want to know they can only play COJ, Lost Planet, and COH without AF?

O those are DX10 games? I thought they were just DX9 with DX10 tacked on, my mistake.

[JethroBodine]

Originally Posted by SSXeon

O those are DX10 games? I thought they were just DX9 with DX10 tacked on, my mistake.

Nonetheless, they are the only three DX10 games out there and it's worth knowing you can't use AF with them with a 2900.

I'm playing Lost Planet in DX10 now- AF matters to me. If it doesn't to you, well, that's fine too I guess. I've gotten used to it and expect it.

[Sound_Card]

did you not listen to a word Humus said? It was a bug and is fixed.

[JethroBodine]

Originally Posted by Sound_Card

did you not listen to a word Humus said? It was a bug and is fixed.

I read every word he said with great interest and appreciate him taking the time to post here.

I noticed in what he said:

1. He did not confirm the fix was in the 7.8 beta drivers, he said he's seen it in recent internal builds. I assume someone on driver team knows what's in drivers going out the door, or can find out, and could have confirmed this is fixed in released drivers if it were.

2. I notice he didn't specify it's fixed for all DX10 games, or any specific DX10 games.

3. He also didn't mention what performance hit enabling AF in DX10 brings.

4. There was no mention of why this was not brought to the attention of reviewers so they could test the cards properly.

In any case I've posted this news in a couple forums as well and I'd be happy to note in those posts the AF for DX10 is in beta now if Humus would like to confirm it's in the 7.8s, and if it works for all DX10 games now.

I'd hate to mislead anyone.

[Xion X2]

Originally Posted by JethroBodine

I read every word he said with great interest and appreciate him taking the time to post here.

I noticed in what he said:

1. He did not confirm the fix was in the 7.8 beta drivers, he said he's seen it in recent internal builds. I assume someone on driver team knows what's in drivers going out the door, or can find out, and could have confirmed this is fixed in released drivers if it were.

2. I notice he didn't specify it's fixed for all DX10 games, or any specific DX10 games.

3. He also didn't mention what performance hit enabling AF in DX10 brings.

4. There was no mention of why this was not brought to the attention of reviewers so they could test the cards properly.

In any case I've posted this news in a couple forums as well and I'd be happy to note in those posts the AF for DX10 is in beta now if Humus would like to confirm it's in the 7.8s, and if it works for all DX10 games now.

I'd hate to mislead anyone.

Come on. Quit making mountains out of molehills.

The card handles AF in DX9 just fine, and I'm sure it can handle AF in DX10 just fine. The card has been out two months and is still undergoing driver revisions.

According to a few of you Nvidia guys, all of those MIT grads up there at ATI couldn't figure out how to screw in a light bulb. Some of us know better.

Perhaps you'd like to respond to the matter of Nvidia deserting its user-base in XP from January-April when not a single driver was released--WHQL or beta--for nearly a 4 month span? Or perhaps you'd like to respond to the matter of the memory leak that occurs on G80 which has now gone 9 months without being remedied? ( http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=95651 )

Nvidia/G80 is not without its own problems. And I know that from personal experience because I owned it for 7 months. The drivers were crap for a long while.

[Debello]

Originally Posted by JethroBodine

I read every word he said with great interest and appreciate him taking the time to post here.

I noticed in what he said:

1. He did not confirm the fix was in the 7.8 beta drivers, he said he's seen it in recent internal builds. I assume someone on driver team knows what's in drivers going out the door, or can find out, and could have confirmed this is fixed in released drivers if it were.

2. I notice he didn't specify it's fixed for all DX10 games, or any specific DX10 games.

3. He also didn't mention what performance hit enabling AF in DX10 brings.

4. There was no mention of why this was not brought to the attention of reviewers so they could test the cards properly.

This is as big of issue as Nvidias Vista drivers not allowing SLI to enable without a reboot. New OS and New API, there are going to be bugs, thats why people need to file tickets

In any case I've posted this news in a couple forums as well and I'd be happy to note in those posts the AF for DX10 is in beta now if Humus would like to confirm it's in the 7.8s, and if it works for all DX10 games now.

I'd hate to mislead anyone.

1. It is fixed in the leaked drivers, I have verified it for myself and the [H] verified it in their Lost Planet review.

2. It is/was a DX10 bug, I have played alot of games on my HD2900s and havent found a single DX9 game that had AF issues.

3. The hit in performance hit is the same in DX10 as if enabling AF in a DX9 games.

4. If a reviewer missed the AF bug in their review then they should have their eyes examined, espically in CoJ where it was the most noticable.

The leaked 8.4 it is fixed, so I would guess when the Cat 7.8 come out the fix will be in it. People are making way to much of this, it effected 3 games, and shows why people need to submit feedback tickets

This is as big of but as Nvdia drivers not allowing SLI to be enabled with out a reboot.

[JethroBodine]

I don't want to discuss NVIDIA drivers in this thread, it would be off topic.

I hadn't seen the HardOCP article, it is just dated Wednesday after all, but I'll update my posts on the topic.

Like I said, I wouldn't want to spread inaccurate information.

[Vengeance]

Originally Posted by Humus

Nothing's broken about the AF. It's just a driver bug. Things like that happen when you write a new driver for a new API for new hardware in a new OS.

100% agreed! Only bad thing about this is when it happened to nVidia it was.....

"OMG nVidia is crap and thier drivers are crap and WTF why can't they put out drivers thats 100% perfect in vista WOW OMG THEY SUCK!!!"

Thats the kinda stuff we had to hear.

And yes Humus many props for you still posting here helping our ATi fans!
Thank you!

+rep

[bigtabs]

So, you just thought you'd stoop to their level then?

[SSXeon]

Originally Posted by Debello

1. It is fixed in the leaked drivers, I have verified it for myself and the [H] verified it in their Lost Planet review.

2. It is/was a DX10 bug, I have played alot of games on my HD2900s and havent found a single DX9 game that had AF issues.

3. The hit in performance hit is the same in DX10 as if enabling AF in a DX9 games.

4. If a reviewer missed the AF bug in their review then they should have their eyes examined, espically in CoJ where it was the most noticable.

The leaked 8.4 it is fixed, so I would guess when the Cat 7.8 come out the fix will be in it. People are making way to much of this, it effected 3 games, and shows why people need to submit feedback tickets

This is as big of but as Nvdia drivers not allowing SLI to be enabled with out a reboot.

Yes. Those 8.40s own all, oblivion is sick @ 12xAA!!!!!

Originally Posted by JethroBodine

I don't want to discuss NVIDIA drivers in this thread, it would be off topic.

I hadn't seen the HardOCP article, it is just dated Wednesday after all, but I'll update my posts on the topic.

Like I said, I wouldn't want to spread inaccurate information.

Yet you can in every other ATi thread? You dont want to spread inaccurate info? Hypocrite much? And because i dont want to f**K up vengs thread, we can take this to PM, just quote me and we will have a nice talk.

[Vengeance]

Originally Posted by bigtabs

So, you just thought you'd stoop to their level then?

where did I in this thread? OK maybe in a few others but not here!
No this thread was a for real "not trying to start any crap question". And Humus answered it. Nothing got started until more questions got asked and then the fanboy "Elite Guard" had to show up and get him self banned again.

[Vengeance]

Originally Posted by SSXeon

Yet you can in every other ATi thread? You dont want to spread inaccurate info? Hypocrite much? And because i dont want to f**K up vengs thread, we can take this to PM, just quote me and we will have a nice talk.

sound_card just got another ban for posts like this. SSX keep it to a higher level please.