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Old Jul 26, 2007, 01:23 AM   #1
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Angry Vista Ultimate slow boot (sometimes)...

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Old Jul 26, 2007, 03:05 AM   #2
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I solved that by defragmenting. Sounds too simple, but it really worked for me.
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Old Jul 26, 2007, 08:51 AM   #3
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+1 to defragging, I made a thread about general slowness; one defrag later and it was improved greatly.
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Just came across this info and not sure how many know about this to speed up boot time.

http://www.helpwithwindows.com/Windo...Boot_Time.html

"Speed Up Windows Vista Boot Time


When you have a computer with a recent model CPU, chances are it's a dual-core CPU. Both Intel & AMD have been producing dual core CPU's for a few years now. By default, Windows Vista will only use a single core during boot-up. You can easily change this from the System Configuration utility:

In Vista's Start Search type msconfig & hit the [Enter] key on your keyboard
Once System Configuration has started, select the Boot tab and click the Advanced Options button
Check the Number of processors check box, and choose 2 for the number of processors (Figure)
Click OK twice.
In my testing this reduced my boot-up time around 5 seconds. "
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Old Jul 6, 2008, 09:39 PM   #5
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Just came across this info and not sure how many know about this to speed up boot time.

http://www.helpwithwindows.com/Windo...Boot_Time.html

"Speed Up Windows Vista Boot Time


When you have a computer with a recent model CPU, chances are it's a dual-core CPU. Both Intel & AMD have been producing dual core CPU's for a few years now. By default, Windows Vista will only use a single core during boot-up. You can easily change this from the System Configuration utility:

In Vista's Start Search type msconfig & hit the [Enter] key on your keyboard
Once System Configuration has started, select the Boot tab and click the Advanced Options button
Check the Number of processors check box, and choose 2 for the number of processors (Figure)
Click OK twice.
In my testing this reduced my boot-up time around 5 seconds. "
Huh... interesting. Might just be placebo but I just did this and it seemed to boot up faster.

Thanks! +1
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Old Jul 6, 2008, 09:54 PM   #6
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Huh... interesting. Might just be placebo but I just did this and it seemed to boot up faster.

Thanks! +1
Seems to work for winXP too!!
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/833721/en-us
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Old Jul 6, 2008, 10:03 PM   #7
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Almost sounds like it's meant for troubleshooting.

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This switch sets the number of processors that Windows will run at startup. With this switch, you can force a multiprocessor system to use only the quantity of processors (number) that you specify. This switch can help you troubleshoot performance problems and defective CPUs.
Either way good find man. Never noticed this before.
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mmm; I don't think this works the way it's being interpreted here; this restricts the total number of procs, not sets them as available; I suspect any speed up in boot times is seen in bypassing the cpu detection portion and using the override instead.
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I read more about the fix.. Some are calling it a hoax and other say it works.

It seems it does work for some people but what it actually does no one knows.

here are some polls about it:

http://winhlp.com/node/151/results

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Do you have any kind of USB hard drive? When I have my WD 250GB USB drive plugged in it takes about 30 seconds longer to boot.
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I had a 2GB DDR2-667 RAM + 1.66GHz Core Duo laptop with Vista Home Premium that booted in 35 seconds.

Now I have a 4GB DDR2-800 RAM + 2.0GHz Core 2 Duo laptop with Vista 64 Ultimate that takes 2 minutes to boot.

I don't think a defrag will fix it since the install is only like 2 weeks old. I guess Ultimate is just a slow booter? Or should defragging fix it anyways? I have a 160GB hdd with only 15GB free and a defrag is going to take forever, but I guess I'll do it overnight...
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I had a 2GB DDR2-667 RAM + 1.66GHz Core Duo laptop with Vista Home Premium that booted in 35 seconds.

Now I have a 4GB DDR2-800 RAM + 2.0GHz Core 2 Duo laptop with Vista 64 Ultimate that takes 2 minutes to boot.

I don't think a defrag will fix it since the install is only like 2 weeks old. I guess Ultimate is just a slow booter? Or should defragging fix it anyways? I have a 160GB hdd with only 15GB free and a defrag is going to take forever, but I guess I'll do it overnight...
Wierd, I'd say you have a driver issue.

*Edit* Download a proggy called JKDefrag, seems to do a really good job. Your windows is probably fragmented into a billion pieces with so little free space. Then re-direct a Sneaker purchase into the a larger harddrive purchase.

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I'll follow your advice. Gonna either buy a 7200RPM 250GB interal or an 160GB external to store all my crap.
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not sure if its been mentioned but do you have any external drives hooked up? they slow the start and shutdown quite a bit..
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I've noticed my Vista is also taking a long time to boot. It'll take a long time to get by the progress bar, and then sit on a black screen for at least 30 seconds before bringing me to my desktop. As soon as my desktop appears everything is instant, I can't open AIM and Firefox in a single second, but I don't know why it takes so long to get to the desktop.

I defrag every few days, though Diskeeper keeps telling me about VSS being enabled so I'm using some feature that may not do as good of a job or something...
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Just came across this info and not sure how many know about this to speed up boot time.

http://www.helpwithwindows.com/Windo...Boot_Time.html

"Speed Up Windows Vista Boot Time


When you have a computer with a recent model CPU, chances are it's a dual-core CPU. Both Intel & AMD have been producing dual core CPU's for a few years now. By default, Windows Vista will only use a single core during boot-up. You can easily change this from the System Configuration utility:

In Vista's Start Search type msconfig & hit the [Enter] key on your keyboard
Once System Configuration has started, select the Boot tab and click the Advanced Options button
Check the Number of processors check box, and choose 2 for the number of processors (Figure)
Click OK twice.
In my testing this reduced my boot-up time around 5 seconds. "
Great find! It was faster for me too! I'd rep ya but I don't seem to be able to anymore.
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Can anyone help me diagnose my problem with a slow boot?
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Can anyone help me diagnose my problem with a slow boot?
Vista logs the boot proccess and the shutdown proccess

You can find it here and see if anything is not right:

Open up the Event viewer > Application and service logs > Microsoft > Windows > Diagnostics-Performance > Operational

Here is a nice link that can help everyone with their startup/shutdown problems in vista

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=246



More good links:

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/71...formation.html

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/70563-boot-up.html

if this + defrag doesnt help you then nothing will

the last 2 links is also the best forum for anything about vista.
Everyone who has vista should bookmark www.vistax64.com
They have lots and lots of tutorials about everything in Vista

The link says x64 but its for both 32bit and 64bit Vista
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to those having slow boot times, may i recommend using S3 sleep instead of turning off your PC? With S3, your pc will for all intents and purposes, be turned off but when you want to use it, your PC will turn on, be at the desktop and be usable in under 5 seconds. I've stopped using "shut down" since discovering this feature.
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to those having slow boot times, may i recommend using S3 sleep instead of turning off your PC? With S3, your pc will for all intents and purposes, be turned off but when you want to use it, your PC will turn on, be at the desktop and be usable in under 5 seconds. I've stopped using "shut down" since discovering this feature.
Yeah I always use that when I want to turn off my computer.
But sometimes with new graphic drivers and apps I need to restart and I hate slow boots when doing that

But mine isnt slow and if it gets slow I know how to fix it

The ultimate thing would be getting a good SSD drive
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Thanks for the links. I forgot to check the boot up process logs and whatnot.

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Log Name:      Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance/Operational
Source:        Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance
Date:          7/29/2008 11:22:36 AM
Event ID:      109
Task Category: Boot Performance Monitoring
Level:         Warning
Keywords:      Event Log
User:          LOCAL SERVICE
Computer:      Meef
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This device took longer to initialize, resulting in a performance degradation in the system start up process: 
     File Name		:	HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0888&SUBSYS_147B0000&REV_1000\4&39dda908&0&0001
     Friendly Name		:	High Definition Audio Device
     Version		:	
     Total Time		:	845ms
     Degradation Time	:	459ms
     Incident Time (UTC)	:	7/29/2008 3:20:04 PM





Log Name:      Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance/Operational
Source:        Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance
Date:          7/29/2008 11:22:36 AM
Event ID:      102
Task Category: Boot Performance Monitoring
Level:         Warning
Keywords:      Event Log
User:          LOCAL SERVICE
Computer:      Meef
Description:
This driver took longer to initialize, resulting in a performance degradation in the system start up process: 
     File Name		:	usbccgp
     Friendly Name		:	USB Common Class Generic Parent Driver
     Version		:	6.0.6001.18000 (longhorn_rtm.080118-1840)
     Total Time		:	2108ms
     Degradation Time	:	608ms
     Incident Time (UTC)	:	7/29/2008 3:20:04 PM



Log Name:      Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance/Operational
Source:        Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance
Date:          7/29/2008 11:22:36 AM
Event ID:      100
Task Category: Boot Performance Monitoring
Level:         Warning
Keywords:      Event Log
User:          LOCAL SERVICE
Computer:      Meef
Description:
Windows has started up: 
     Boot Duration		:	71752ms
     IsDegradation		:	false
     Incident Time (UTC)	:	7/29/2008 3:20:04 PM

So I guess it takes me 1m10s to boot up. If it weren't for all that damn waiting it would be 30 seconds probably. The things that it says are "degrading" the boot don't seem to be taking much longer, but it sits there forever.

I'll look at the links after I eat something though.
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I use this and its great, computer is off no fans running ect.. push of the button and BAM! Im back to my desktop how I left it.
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I use this and its great, computer is off no fans running ect.. push of the button and BAM! Im back to my desktop how I left it.
I don´t have that S3 thingie.

Vista 64 here.
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S3: known as Suspend to RAM (STR) in the BIOS, Standby in versions of Windows through Windows XP and in some varieties of Linux, Sleep in Windows Vista and Mac OS X, although the ACPI specification mentions only the terms S3 and Sleep. In this state, main memory (RAM) is still powered, although it is almost the only component that is. Since the state of the operating system and all applications, open documents, etc. lies all in main memory, the user can resume work exactly where he/she left off—the main memory content when the computer comes back from S3 is the same as when it was put into S3. (The specification mentions that S3 is rather similar to S2, only that some more components are powered down in S3.) S3 has two advantages over S4; the computer is faster to resume than to reboot, secondly if any running applications (opened documents, etc) have private information in them, this will not be written to the disk. However, disk caches may be flushed to prevent data corruption in case the system doesn't wake up e.g. due to power failure.
basically, it turns off the computer leaving only your ram powered, therefore retaining the contents. this allows you to turn your computer back on and (nearly) instantly resume what you were doing when you entered S3.
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Old Jul 29, 2008, 10:13 PM   #27
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One thing I noticed using the "verbose" mode at boot is that it scans my drives for errors during the black screen after the progress bar... How do I disable that?
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Old Jul 30, 2008, 01:17 AM   #28
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I don´t have that S3 thingie.

Vista 64 here.
Every vista has it just push the turn off button in vista start menu
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One thing I noticed using the "verbose" mode at boot is that it scans my drives for errors during the black screen after the progress bar... How do I disable that?
I think its this: http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/15...e-disable.html
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Every vista has it just push the turn off button in vista start menu
That might not be S3 sleep, it might be S1.

And my sleep doesn´t work, computer wakes up again 10 seconds later.
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