So Ragers, Whose Getting an IPhone?

[Hidavi]

I know the IPhone isn't all that great functionality-wise... but its so pretty...

I never got into IPods cuz I always thought they looked, and I still do think they look, bland. But the IPhone is pretty...

[switchWRX]

Originally Posted by ice_141

What company in their right mind would buy something like an iPhone for its employees?

You can pick whatever phone you want, they don't care.

[Hidavi]

Well, if you do go for it, be careful with the $175 cancellation fee:
http://www.tuaw.com/2007/06/27/iphon...tion-policies/

[Dandingo]

Originally Posted by Hidavi

Well, if you do go for it, be careful with the $175 cancellation fee:
http://www.tuaw.com/2007/06/27/iphon...tion-policies/

That's standard with all cell phone carriers......nothing new.

[Bamboozled]

I wouldn't touch the i-phone- it's still on 2g network- SLOW compared to 3g that already exists-->If Internet is at all imoprtant

[guest]

Originally Posted by Bamboozled

I wouldn't touch the i-phone- it's still on 2g network- SLOW compared to 3g that already exists-->If Internet is at all imoprtant

Yep, that's an intelligent statement. They say they are going 3g with a revised model.

[Hamidxa]

iPhone = overhyped and overpriced.

Functionality wise, performance wise, and features wise, it gets detroyed by phones such as the HTC Kaiser.

http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=733&view=1

No respect for the iPhone, unless of course you want it to be "in" purely for aesthetics.

[Hamidxa]

By the way, here's a thread I created about 5 months ago.

The Chinese make a better iPhone

Just when everyone’s keeping their necks stretched to catch a glimpse or a whiff of air from the much acclaimed iPhone, we have some competition for it building up already. This one’s called the Meizu M8 PMP/Phone. I love the last name. However, this one comes with an excellent 3 megapixel camera and a 3.3 inch LCD display. It runs on WinCE 6.0 and supports GSM networks. Loads of features stuffed into this one including TV out and Line in/out. It does look far more promising than the iPhone. However, it’s only fair to judge which one will make it big after using both. It beats the iPhone in many aspects and specs including camera and a more common operating system. The Chinese will be smacking their lips looking at this one.

http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/...ter_iphone.php


It's expected to launch overseas before the iphone even hits, and engadget has suggested that we may be able to import it over here (US) as well.

No word yet on price or exact release dates.

Here are some more up to date specs and price info on it:
http://www.pmptoday.com/2007/04/29/m...-16gb-version/

I'd DEFINITELY go for this over an iPhone.



Besides, the Apple iPhone is:
- NOT a PDA
- NOT a smartphone
- will NOT support many 3rd party apps (or any at all, as Apple has lead us to believe)
- is missing a few features that this appears to have (such as the TV in/OUT)
- the iPhone is mostly a really expensive fashion accessory with limited functionality

[night]

Originally Posted by Hamidxa

mostly a really expensive fashion accessory with limited functionality

that describes the american way of life

[Hidavi]

I LOVE the tPhone

[VW_Factor]

No. First Gens are going to be crap, just like every first gen apple product.

I dont need to surf the web or whatever in the hell on my phone. I use it to talk. GPS my way around, and my phone does that excellently. I do not require an iPhone to do that.

I am not willing to pay a crap load of money for some "huge" data plan that allows me to do something the phone can do, (slowly in MOST markets) that I just really dont need nor require.

I surf the web when I am able too, at home.

Im sure the iPhone will be big for people that require web access all the time, or require the "next big gadget" all the time.

Otherwise. Its just too expensive for another apple piece of crap that requires certain softwares that will gunk up yer ****. No way.

[shrike126]

I think I'm gonna pickup a PPC6800 through work. It's $288 for me which isn't too bad and after testing them internally it's a pretty rock solid little device.

Here.

[0091/2]

Originally Posted by ZeeM

Of course it is replaceable without voiding the warranty, I can't really name a normal phone that hasn't a replaceable battery.

Sure it is!

Early testers and supply chain sources remain concerned about the virtual keyboard and the non-replaceable battery in Apple's (AAPL) new iPhone

http://blogs.business2.com/apple/200...iphone_te.html

2) One of the biggest criticisms of iPod is that its battery is not user replaceable. While we believe this hasn't really negatively impacted iPod sales, our concern is that it will become a bigger issue with iPhone. ... AAPL has indicated their belief that the iPhone will deliver up to eight hours of talk time ... We hope those times are accurate, but our sources have indicated iPhone's active use battery life may be closer to around 4-5 hours for heavy use, similar to other smart phones However, because an iPhone also serves as an iPod, unless AAPL’s claims on performance specs are accurate, 4-5 hours of video playback may not be enough.

It's not user replaceable. That's apple for ya!

[Doozer]

it's Apple, it uses isoftware, I won't be getting one

[Ibis]

I might. I really like how the GUI works etc, and being Apple it probably works as great as it looks too. But to expensive now, and don't really need it now.
The other phones might be better hardware wise, but I don't think it will work as "slick" as the iPhone. And having a Macbook, I'm sure they will work great together

[guest]

Well the iPhone allows out of order voice mail access and some other nice features. If it had VOIP and a good data rate I would have picked three up in July.

[PiIsExactly3]

Originally Posted by Hamidxa

By the way, here's a thread I created about 5 months ago.

The Chinese make a better iPhone



Here are some more up to date specs and price info on it:
http://www.pmptoday.com/2007/04/29/m...-16gb-version/

I'd DEFINITELY go for this over an iPhone.

http://www.pmptoday.com/wp-content/u...nionemeizu.jpg

Besides, the Apple iPhone is:
- NOT a PDA
- NOT a smartphone
- will NOT support many 3rd party apps (or any at all, as Apple has lead us to believe)
- is missing a few features that this appears to have (such as the TV in/OUT)
- the iPhone is mostly a really expensive fashion accessory with limited functionality

I have a Meizu MiniPlayer (4 Gig flash mp3 player) and absolutely love it. Beats the hell out of the ipod nano functionality-wise, with a nice touchpad, very thin, shorter, but a little wider than the nano. Excellent sound quality as well. I lent it to a co-worker that was going to buy a Nano for his wife and it changed his mind. She loves the Meizu as well. Not surprised that their answer to the iPhone destroys it functionality-wise as well.

[Shadowless]

iPhone = Retarded.

$600 for 8gb of storage on a ****ty 2G (EDGE) network?? C'mon.

The LG Prada looks sooo much better

http://www.dialaphone.co.uk/blog/wp-...37;20KE850.jpg

And honestly, you could pick up any device made by HTC and it'll blow the iPhone away in the functionality department, not to mention the price point is a bit easier to swallow.

[Ibis]

Originally Posted by Hamidxa

By the way, here's a thread I created about 5 months ago.

The Chinese make a better iPhone



Here are some more up to date specs and price info on it:
http://www.pmptoday.com/2007/04/29/m...-16gb-version/

I'd DEFINITELY go for this over an iPhone.

Bleh, the M8/MiniOne uses Windows Mobile, used a HTC TyTN for a while... worst OS EVER. Liked the Symbian OS on my old Nokia 6600 much more.
Sure, WM6 instead of 5, but there's not that much of a difference from what I've understood. Sure, lots of third party programs to it, but the OS is pure turd, if you ask me. Usability/Simplicity? Pfft. I think I had to check three different places to even get the WiFi on it to work, why not collect all those settings at one place?
I like Meizu besides that though, I did the same as PiIsExactly3, bought a M6/Miniplayer. The GUI isn't that great, some weird things in it, but it supports more formats (FLAC, OGG etc), bigger screen, USM etc, than the Nano.

[Lupine]

13 Things Wrong w/ the iPhone

[ZeeM]

Originally Posted by 0091/2

Sure it is!

http://blogs.business2.com/apple/200...iphone_te.html

It's not user replaceable. That's apple for ya!

Try reading my post next time
I mentioned a better alternative and then someone asked if it has a replaceable battery.

[ZeeM]

Originally Posted by Ibis

Sure, lots of third party programs to it, but the OS is pure turd, if you ask me. Usability/Simplicity? Pfft. I think I had to check three different places to even get the WiFi on it to work, why not collect all those settings at one place?

Go back to your mac then, they're specially made for n00bs

[Ibis]

Originally Posted by ZeeM

Go back to your mac then, they're specially made for n00bs

Indeed, it's not that I've been using PCs since I was ten before that, overclocking and tweaking, always building my own system etc... but sometimes you just want something that works, and works great. And OS X... . So simple, yet capable of... well, anything! *NIX, I love it! :P Windows haven't got anything in comparison, XP nor Vista. Ubuntu... to some extend, but it's not as polished.
But well, I still use Windows, gaming and such. Just that Windows Mobile... ((
Aah, just figured out how to describe my impression of WM: Not thought trough. I got the feeling that they never really reflected over what kind of systems the OS is for, it just felt clumsy and was more in the way for me using my phone, than aiding me.

[Razeus]

Maybe I should switch to an OS with 10% market share and join those people who find OSX so easy to use. I guess that's why it's 10% of OS users pay for update after update. Gotta have that ease of use.

Vista/XP is too complicated to use for users on 90% of the PC's out there. That Excel or OneNote icon is simply too hard to click. I wonder how 90% of OS users put up with this. Double click on it? Come on M$, single click.

[Lupine]

Topic = iPhone ...

[Hamidxa]

Originally Posted by Ibis

Bleh, the M8/MiniOne uses Windows Mobile, used a HTC TyTN for a while... worst OS EVER. Liked the Symbian OS on my old Nokia 6600 much more.
Sure, WM6 instead of 5, but there's not that much of a difference from what I've understood. Sure, lots of third party programs to it, but the OS is pure turd, if you ask me. Usability/Simplicity? Pfft. I think I had to check three different places to even get the WiFi on it to work, why not collect all those settings at one place?
I like Meizu besides that though, I did the same as PiIsExactly3, bought a M6/Miniplayer. The GUI isn't that great, some weird things in it, but it supports more formats (FLAC, OGG etc), bigger screen, USM etc, than the Nano.

You sound like a total WM novice. Don't blame the OS/phones for lack of know-how.

a) You DON'T have to "check three different places to get the wifi to work".
It is all within the tap of ONE SINGLE BUTTON.
On most HTC phones, including the Kaiser that I posted above, there is a Comm Manager button on the side of the phone, and even if there isn't a dedicated button for it, the beauty of WM OS is in the fact that you can remap buttons.

ONE Button click = turn on Wifi if you want.
ONE Button click = turn off Wifi if you want.

It's that simple.

b) The OS is also not a "turd".
Out of the box, it's not the most intuitive OS in the world, but once you install 3rd party Apps for it, such as Resco Explorer, Pocket Mechanic, Spb Pocket Plus, and even a Task Manager, then it becomes no different than Windows XP in terms of functionality.

If you know how to manage and properly maintain it, then there is no substitute for a WM phone, especially not for an HTC.
They are simply put, the best.

As for the Meizu I posted, that simply walks all over the iPhone.
There is no debate as to which one is the better phone in terms of hardware, or which one is the better phone in terms of functionality via software.
The iPhone is little more than a multimedia phone, and even then, with limited functionality due to limited codec support.

With a WM phone, there is limitless functionality with respect to the multimedia side of things, and then of course there are the THOUSANDS of 3rd party apps that extend its usefulness well beyond any Apple product you'll ever come across, or any other OS for that matter.

Heck, even Palm are supporting WM now, so that tells you something.

[Ibis]

Originally Posted by dwhjr77

Maybe I should switch to an OS with 10% market share and join those people who find OSX so easy to use. I guess that's why it's 10% of OS users pay for update after update. Gotta have that ease of use.

Vista/XP is too complicated to use for users on 90% of the PC's out there. That Excel or OneNote icon is simply too hard to click. I wonder how 90% of OS users put up with this. Double click on it? Come on M$, single click.

Ever used OS X? And it's not that Windows is hard to use, it's just that OS X is easier. Not as much in the way, gives me a better chance to get what I want to do done. It's hard to describe, because you can't point out just one thing that makes it better, it's everything combined, just this feeling of... it just works. And the way I want it. And well, I got that *NIX ground too, I live half my life in the Terminal too :P CMD/Command is not quite the same.
I've used Windows my whole life, 3.11, 95, 98, 2000 (skipped ME :P), XP, and Vista. I've always built my own systems, always messed around with my computers as much as I've been able to, and have been given the role of computer support from family and friends, so I know my ****, so to speak, not afraid of "getting my hands dirty". But when I got my Macbook... I can never go back to only Windows. Never. It's the best computer with the best OS I've ever used. So, I'm not a n00b... but still I switched, how come?

... but that has nothing with the iPhone to do, so if someone wants to continue this discussion, please PM me instead

[Ibis]

Originally Posted by Hamidxa

You sound like a total WM novice. Don't blame the OS/phones for lack of know-how.

a) You DON'T have to "check three different places to get the wifi to work".
It is all within the tap of ONE SINGLE BUTTON.
On most HTC phones, including the Kaiser that I posted above, there is a Comm Manager button on the side of the phone, and even if there isn't a dedicated button for it, the beauty of WM OS is in the fact that you can remap buttons.

ONE Button click = turn on Wifi if you want.
ONE Button click = turn off Wifi if you want.

It's that simple.

b) The OS is also not a "turd".
Out of the box, it's not the most intuitive OS in the world, but once you install 3rd party Apps for it, such as Resco Explorer, Pocket Mechanic, Spb Pocket Plus, and even a Task Manager, then it becomes no different than Windows XP in terms of functionality.

If you know how to manage and properly maintain it, then there is no substitute for a WM phone, especially not for an HTC.
They are simply put, the best.

As for the Meizu I posted, that simply walks all over the iPhone.
There is no debate as to which one is the better phone in terms of hardware, or which one is the better phone in terms of functionality via software.
The iPhone is little more than a multimedia phone, and even then, with limited functionality due to limited codec support.

With a WM phone, there is limitless functionality with respect to the multimedia side of things, and then of course there are the THOUSANDS of 3rd party apps that extend its usefulness well beyond any Apple product you'll ever come across, or any other OS for that matter.

Heck, even Palm are supporting WM now, so that tells you something.

Yay, I like your posts!
Getting WiFi to work, well... had to select the correct encryption for my network at one place (all these places lied under Settings/Communications, or whatever, but still... three different icons that all had to do with WiFi?), the correct SSID, etc. And I had to go through all those three different icons to get there. GAH! But when I got it working, it did work fine, the way you explain it. Just a pain to setup correct.

And well, that's one point, you shouldn't need all those programs to get it more worthy. But I see your point though, never got that far myself, because I grew tired of the phone and went back to my Nokia almost at once. And that shouldn't happen, and I can almost bet that it won't happen with the iPhone, say what you want, but Apple knows how to make a nice working GUI, whatever you think about the hardware underneath...

... Which is my way of saying that I agree about that the hardware in the Meizu M8/MiniOne truly is better, same thing with the Meizu M6/Miniplayer vs iPod, I chose the M6 because of better audio hardware (It's a music player, so well...), better screen etc. But still, it's software is.. I mean, different ways to control the player, if you're playing music or video... Clumsy way it updates it's music library, crappy video playback (even when iriver has a player with the same CPU that does it just perfectly). I don't think you'll find the same kind of problems in the iPods, even though they are worse hardware wise.
And I'm afraid that the M8 will have that... nonuniform patchwork-feel to it, not really thought trough the whole way... and that happens with to much third party software too.

I'm just pointing out, hardware is only half the phone, without good software it's useless. And I (and many more) like a streamlined, well thought GUI, that is consistent troughout the whole system. Which is where WM fails, even on its own.

[Hamidxa]

Originally Posted by Ibis

Yay, I like your posts!
Getting WiFi to work, well... had to select the correct encryption for my network at one place (all these places lied under Settings/Communications, or whatever, but still... three different icons that all had to do with WiFi?), the correct SSID, etc. And I had to go through all those three different icons to get there. GAH! But when I got it working, it did work fine, the way you explain it. Just a pain to setup correct.

And well, that's one point, you shouldn't need all those programs to get it more worthy. But I see your point though, never got that far myself, because I grew tired of the phone and went back to my Nokia almost at once. And that shouldn't happen, and I can almost bet that it won't happen with the iPhone, say what you want, but Apple knows how to make a nice working GUI, whatever you think about the hardware underneath...

... Which is my way of saying that I agree about that the hardware in the Meizu M8/MiniOne truly is better, same thing with the Meizu M6/Miniplayer vs iPod, I chose the M6 because of better audio hardware (It's a music player, so well...), better screen etc. But still, it's software is.. I mean, different ways to control the player, if you're playing music or video... Clumsy way it updates it's music library, crappy video playback (even when iriver has a player with the same CPU that does it just perfectly). I don't think you'll find the same kind of problems in the iPods, even though they are worse hardware wise.
And I'm afraid that the M8 will have that... nonuniform patchwork-feel to it, not really thought trough the whole way... and that happens with to much third party software too.

I'm just pointing out, hardware is only half the phone, without good software it's useless. And I (and many more) like a streamlined, well thought GUI, that is consistent troughout the whole system. Which is where WM fails, even on its own.

Well, you confirmed my suspicions that you never got that far with WM, thus you never gave it a fair shake.

I don't mean to sound pejorative, so don't take it as such, but you don't sound qualified to pass conclusive judments on WM, seeing as how you have had very little experience with the OS or the phones that use it.

I have been using WM phones for over 2 years now, and have worked with 4 different models, using 3 different versions of the OS, and have customized them all to the point where in terms of functionality, there is very little difference between them and Win XP, right down to the GUI and all.

Like I said, out of the box, WM is not the most intuitive OS.
It does some dumb things, such as closing a program out doesn't really close it, it just minimizes it, so it still resides in memory and thus slows down the phone. Oh, and if you want to really close it out, then you have to go to
Start -> Settings -> Memory -> Running Programs -> Stop

5 steps to close one Program on WM out of the box. Insane and totally unacceptable.

However, the beauty of the OS lies in its support for 3rd party apps, just like Windows. And for that matter, Spb Pocket Plus takes care of this problem entirely. One click close. You're done.

Likewise, for any other functional short-coming out of the box, there are apps that resolve any and all issues one can possibly have with the OS.

I've got my HTC loaded to the gills by the way.
About 20 3rd party apps installed that allow me to operate my phone/PDA much in the same way that WinXP works. Oh, and I only took about a 2% hit on memory usage on system startup, nice and streamlined

In conclusion, once you setup a WM phone properly (through 3rd party apps), it becomes much like WinXP.

If you don't like WinXP, then it stands to reason you won't like WM5 or 6 either with the 3rd party apps.

[guest]

Originally Posted by Hamidxa

I've got my HTC loaded to the gills by the way.
About 20 3rd party apps installed that allow me to operate my phone/PDA much in the same way that WinXP works. Oh, and I only took about a 2% hit on memory usage on system startup, nice and streamlined

2% hit? Are you talking about storage memory or operating memory?