[HD2900XT] Driver Feedback

becco · May 14, 2007, 09:52 AM

1st time updated my HD2900XT driver from 8.36 (CD bundle Driver) to 8.37 (available from May 14th in DAAMiT's site)

Vista Ultimate 32bit
Stock Clock 29XT

[Futuremark]
3DMark03, from 35905 to 36079

3DMark05, from 16925 to 18398!

3DMark06, from 10518 to 10769

[Real Game]
Doom 3, 1280x1024 l 16xAF l 8xAA Wide-tent 16xSample
from 85 Fps to 88.1 Fps

*previously bench link: http://rage3d.com/board/showpost.php...7&postcount=58

Stalker, 1280x1024 l Full Dynamic Light l Everything Maxed out
from Average 46.446 Fps to 51.425 Fps

*previously bench link: http://rage3d.com/board/showpost.php...5&postcount=69

... more more, we want mature driver update

Thanks

user

w0mbat · May 14, 2007, 03:43 PM

Nice. Driver comparison:

becco · May 14, 2007, 03:53 PM

^ thanks, i'm waiting reply for long time .... doh
any leaked news about next driver?

Zooze · May 14, 2007, 03:59 PM

Why is there such a difference between 8.37.4.2 and 8.37.4.3?? something doesn't appear correct here. Sure there isnt a problem with those benchies?

Zoozer

Arghuin · May 14, 2007, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zooze

Why is there such a difference between 8.37.4.2 and 8.37.4.3?? something doesn't appear correct here. Sure there isnt a problem with those benchies?

Zoozer

Either that or a mis-print of the driver revision numbers on the pictures?

becco · May 14, 2007, 04:04 PM

w0mbat, where are u?

w0mbat · May 14, 2007, 04:21 PM

Ok, there´s a 8.361, a 8.364, a 8.374, a 8.3742, a 8.3743, a 8.375, a 8.38 and a 8.39 driver. They have different performance (8.3742 is faster than 8.3743) cause they are developed at nearly the same time.

The nubers ive postet before are correct and theres no typo.
The latest driver i have is 8.3742, i could get 8.375.

eg. in Oblivion 8.3742 is about 157% faster than 8.3743. So its all about the drivers now. ATI could come close to 8800GTX.

Zooze · May 14, 2007, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0mbat

Ok, there´s a 8.361, a 8.364, a 8.374, a 8.3742, a 8.3743, a 8.375, a 8.38 and a 8.39 driver. They have different performance (8.3742 is faster than 8.3743) cause they are developed at nearly the same time.

The nubers ive postet before are correct and theres no typo.
The latest driver i have is 8.3742, i could get 8.375.

eg. in Oblivion 8.3742 is about 157% faster than 8.3743. So its all about the drivers now. ATI could come close to 8800GTX.

I only hope your right as I would love to see ATI have a competative product. However somehow I cant see how any driver can make a 273% performance increase on oblivion as shown by your chart below. Either there is something critically wrong here with that version of the driver or your figures are not accurate. I also dont see where you get the 157% from?!?!?!

Zoozer

Treeckcold57 · May 14, 2007, 04:44 PM

That was pretty good for newer driver.

But hopefully, they still need to work their ATI driver alot of issues in every DX9 games..oh yes and DX10 too.

w0mbat · May 14, 2007, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zooze

I only hope your right as I would love to see ATI have a competative product. However somehow I cant see how any driver can make a 273% performance increase on oblivion as shown by your chart below. Either there is something critically wrong here with that version of the driver or your figures are not accurate. I also dont see where you get the 157% from?!?!?!

Zoozer

I meant 174%

Zooze · May 14, 2007, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0mbat

I meant 174%

And there I thought my degree in mathematics was failing me

its still 274%

Zoozer

jam2k · May 14, 2007, 04:51 PM

Glad to hear this ...

X2900XT still has a lot of power to give

w0mbat, what about some 1600x1200 tests ?

w0mbat · May 14, 2007, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zooze

And there I thought my degree in mathematics was failing me

its still 274%

Zoozer

Yes, if 8.3743 had 0%. But 274% - 100% are 174%.

Zooze · May 14, 2007, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0mbat

Yes, if 8.3743 had 0%. But 274% - 100% are 174%.

I'm getting too old to cover basic maths, but here goes:

(41.6/15.2) * 100 = 273.6% exactly as your excel spreadsheet shows

Zoozer

w0mbat · May 14, 2007, 05:00 PM

Yes, 8.3743 is 274% while 8.3742 is 100%, thats 174% faster.

Or maybe im getting something wrong here. SO dont blame ur self, it could be me.

SSXeon · May 14, 2007, 05:03 PM

Where are the nvidiots now?

Damn i wish i had another $430.

unicron02 · May 14, 2007, 05:04 PM

Mathematics semantics aside....

I find it difficult to believe a driver update can result in a nearly 2.5x increase in performance like that. Either something was drastically wrong with the other versions or there is some kind of unseen "optimizing" going on in the background, ie. subtly lowering image quality to achieve higher framerates.

It has been a while but I recall Nvidia doing something to their driver to generate higher framerates in games by secretly disabling AA/AF after the game is loaded. Only after detailed image analysis did people start to discover the problem, and some people could "trick" the driver into enabling AA/AF by renaming executables or something like that. I would certainly hope that both companies are smart enough to realize that their customers will eventually discover these "optimizations", so I will give ATI the benefit of the doubt on this one.

Treeckcold57 · May 14, 2007, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSXeon

Where are the nvidiots now?

Damn i wish i had another $430.

yeah...I running out of wallet. LOL

w0mbat · May 14, 2007, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unicron02

Mathematics semantics aside....

I find it difficult to believe a driver update can result in a nearly 2.5x increase in performance like that. Either something was drastically wrong with the other versions or there is some kind of unseen "optimizing" going on in the background, ie. subtly lowering image quality to achieve higher framerates.

It has been a while but I recall Nvidia doing something to their driver to generate higher framerates in games by secretly disabling AA/AF after the game is loaded. Only after detailed image analysis did people start to discover the problem, and some people could "trick" the driver into enabling AA/AF by renaming executables or something like that. I would certainly hope that both companies are smart enough to realize that their customers will eventually discover these "optimizations", so I will give ATI the benefit of the doubt on this one.

Ive the feeling that ATI just changed default AA settings from SS-AAA to EATM

Zooze · May 14, 2007, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0mbat

Yes, 8.3743 is 274% while 8.3742 is 100%, thats 174% faster.

Or maybe im getting something wrong here. SO dont blame ur self, it could be me.

Okay okay I dont mind being called an (nv)idiot if your talking increase your right.....I'm wrong...symantics lol sorry.

Zoozer

On topic still a hell of an increase though.

Zooze · May 14, 2007, 05:16 PM

I should really stop watching heros while I'm typing on here lol

aop · May 14, 2007, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0mbat

Nice. Driver comparison:

My $10 says they forgot to enable AA when testing with 8.37.4.2 drivers.

razor1 · May 14, 2007, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSXeon

Where are the nvidiots now?

Damn i wish i had another $430.

just wait and see where the performance is coming from LOL

ok hint someone needs to do an indepth filtering test

and there are some other things going on too.

Brick_Top · May 14, 2007, 05:24 PM

Seems too good to be true

Xion X2 · May 14, 2007, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by razor1

just wait and see where the performance is coming from LOL

ok hint someone needs to do an indepth filtering test

and there are some other things going on too.

Razor, I'm having trouble reading you, man. Which side of the line do you fall on? Do you think this card can approach a GTX in performance in DX9?

razor1 · May 14, 2007, 05:40 PM

there are some funny stuff goin on

Xion X2 · May 14, 2007, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by razor1

there are some funny stuff goin on

That doesn't help much, lol. On the ATI side or Nvidia side?

razor1 · May 14, 2007, 05:44 PM

look at it this way ask Becco, I sent him a driver they used in that test which one I won't say, but that was yesterday......

but I think he dled it from ATi this morning, since they were the release drivers anyways.

Jas420221 · May 14, 2007, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by razor1

look at it this way ask Becco, I sent him a driver they used in that test which one I won't say, but that was yesterday......

but I think he dled it from ATi this morning, since they were the release drivers anyways.

Im sorry but, why wouldnt you tell us? You were never under an NDA, and now the NDA is up (it never mattered) why WOULDNT you tell us???

razor1 · May 14, 2007, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jas420221

Im sorry but, why wouldnt you tell us? You were never under an NDA, and now the NDA is up (it never mattered) why WOULDNT you tell us???

Someone will find out lol, I still have to uphold my word. There is something funny going on in the filtering department, check B3D Rys already hinted at it.

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becco Radeon Evergreen Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: in its right place Posts: 1,990	^ thanks, i'm waiting reply for long time .... doh any leaked news about next driver? __________________ “The person you love can only go as far as you let them in" - Billy Corgan My YouTube

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May 14, 2007, 03:59 PM	#4
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May 14, 2007, 03:43 PM	#2
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w0mbat Red october all over Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 202	Ok, there´s a 8.361, a 8.364, a 8.374, a 8.3742, a 8.3743, a 8.375, a 8.38 and a 8.39 driver. They have different performance (8.3742 is faster than 8.3743) cause they are developed at nearly the same time. The nubers ive postet before are correct and theres no typo. The latest driver i have is 8.3742, i could get 8.375. eg. in Oblivion 8.3742 is about 157% faster than 8.3743. So its all about the drivers now. ATI could come close to 8800GTX. Last edited by w0mbat : May 14, 2007 at 04:25 PM.

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May 14, 2007, 05:00 PM	#15
w0mbat Red october all over Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 202	Yes, 8.3743 is 274% while 8.3742 is 100%, thats 174% faster. Or maybe im getting something wrong here. SO dont blame ur self, it could be me.

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May 14, 2007, 05:04 PM	#17
unicron02 Radeon R100 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 30	Mathematics semantics aside.... I find it difficult to believe a driver update can result in a nearly 2.5x increase in performance like that. Either something was drastically wrong with the other versions or there is some kind of unseen "optimizing" going on in the background, ie. subtly lowering image quality to achieve higher framerates. It has been a while but I recall Nvidia doing something to their driver to generate higher framerates in games by secretly disabling AA/AF after the game is loaded. Only after detailed image analysis did people start to discover the problem, and some people could "trick" the driver into enabling AA/AF by renaming executables or something like that. I would certainly hope that both companies are smart enough to realize that their customers will eventually discover these "optimizations", so I will give ATI the benefit of the doubt on this one.

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