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Old Dec 18, 2006, 10:48 PM   #1
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Cool OMG, probably more than you ever wanted to know about PSUs:

http://forum.ncix.com/forums/index.p...t=36&subpage=1

After reading numerous articles and reviews about power supplies I have found there there are many websites out there that are sorely lacking with their power supply reviews. The problems is that proper equipment to test power supplies (O-scopes and whatnot) cost tons of money. DO NOT trust power supply reviews that only use a multimeter to test the PSU.

These following reviews are from websites that DO NOT skimp on their reviews and thoroughly test their PSUs. This way if you are looking for a power supply, you can skip all the "filler" reviews and read some that are done by true power supply professionals.

VERY GOOD READ: WHY 99% OF POWER SUPPLY REVIEWS ARE WRONG:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/410
The most common problem with power supplies is their incapability of delivering their labeled current (and thus power). Measuring the output voltages will tell us nothing about this.

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We should point out that there are some websites doing a terrific job on power supply reviews. SPCR (SilentPCReview), for example, goes one step further, adding a variable AC power supply, which allows them to simulate different power grid configurations – not only to check if the power supply can really operate under the range stated by the manufacturer (e.g. 90 V – 240 V) but it also simulate spikes and noise on the power grid. They also use a load tester (even though is a simpler model compared to Chroma 8000).

Other websites worth mentioning are Xbitlabs, which created their own active load for testing PSUs, Planet3Dnow, a German website that owns a Chroma 8000 machine, and JonnyGuru, that also uses a load tester (a Sunmoon SM-8800). There are more websites around using a load tester, these are the ones I am most familiar with.



I'm just getting started on reading through there now but it looks like a goldmine of info on selecting a power supply.
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Old Dec 18, 2006, 10:59 PM   #2
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Really nice find... this should be stickied.... there are alot of members that are not sure what to buy or look for when getting a PSU. Nice find Scott.
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Old Dec 18, 2006, 11:42 PM   #3
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He might not be perfect but still gives ya something to start looking around with. PSUs seem to be so sorely misunderstood and overlooked, it's good to get a foothold on understanding what's what.



He's got me looking at another Enermax, I just don't trust the new 600W no-nameish one I got with the new hardware (crashes and sudden reboots).
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...acture=ENERMAX
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I have one recommendation for anyone right now.

Well two technically.

Corsair HX520/620 models.

Incredibly quiet (nothing touches them for quietness in higher end models).
Outstanding performance.
Five year warranty.


Now if only Corsair could get their RAM division to learn from their PSUs'...
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I have one recommendation for anyone right now.

Well two technically.

Corsair HX520/620 models.

Incredibly quiet (nothing touches them for quietness in higher end models).
Outstanding performance.
Five year warranty.


Now if only Corsair could get their RAM division to learn from their PSUs'...
Aren't those just Seasonics? (which are good)
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Aren't those just Seasonics? (which are good)
Built by Seasonic, but using Corsair specs....iirc
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Nice find. Been looking for something ever since sharkyextreme stopped updating their guide.
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Aren't those just Seasonics? (which are good)
Yes the Corsairs are just rebadged , but the Seasonics utilize a 60 mm fan that's not nearly as quiet.
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Now if only Corsair could get their RAM division to learn from their PSUs'...
What does the RAM division need to learn? They offer lifetime warranties on their RAM and they make some of the best RAM available... I'm confused by your statement.
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Hmmm. Ok. I've always had amazing results with Corsair. Been using it for years. But, I do not personally own any DDR2 RAM from anybody. Only DDR.

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just about every manufacturer does it except Crucial, who only uses Micron modules because they are a division of Micron.
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Nice find. Been looking for something ever since sharkyextreme stopped updating their guide.
The [H] forum has a good power supply section, and
http://jonnyguru.com/index.php reviews and forum are good too...
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The [H] forum has a good power supply section, and
http://jonnyguru.com/index.php reviews and forum are good too...
Good, I see you have read the thread I posted as that's the site he refers to a lot for reviews as well as xbitlabs.


SKYMTL updated his OP, so did I.
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Good, I see you have read the thread I posted as that's the site he refers to a lot for reviews as well as xbitlabs.


SKYMTL updated his OP, so did I.
actually, no, I didn't read your thread (link)....sorry

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that's the forum I browse and place I buy all my stuff.
I bought a Seasonic PSU as well.
Loving it so far, uber stable.
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Used an Enermax Liberty 500w PSU in a recent custom build. Died completely within 2 months. Called them up, sent it in ground (just the PSU, no accessories, no modular cables, just the unit itself) and they sent me back a completely brand new sealed PSU with all the accessories. Thumbs up for Enermax from me!
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Hey cool. I had posted in this forum a few days back about my new X1950 Pro and worries that maybe the Seasonic S12-430 that I got wouldn't be able to power it. The calculator that guy put +50W prolly would be a small undercut. The list he wrote, however, says I should have a 430W PSU and thats precisely what Im getting and Im assured thru reviews that its a good quality one so now I will rest easily.

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Silverstone Element ST50EF-PLUS 500W http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...y&promoid=1022

I'm thinking this is going to be a better bet... jonnyguru gives it 9.5 http://www.jonnyguru.com/review_details.php?id=23
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I am using the Enermax EG495P-VE Noisetaker on my system and have had no problems. Since removing my Radeon X850XT and replacing with a fanless video card I notice that this PSU seems to be quiet too.

System: Asus A8N-E, AMD Athlon 64 4000, 2 GB RAM, Radeon X850XT, 2 PATA HDDs (80 GB 7200 RPM and 180 GB 7200 RPM), floppy, systemboard audio only all in a THERMALTAKE SOPRANO VB1000BWS case ... and its black too.
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I am using the Enermax EG495P-VE Noisetaker on my system and have had no problems. Since removing my Radeon X850XT and replacing with a fanless video card I notice that this PSU seems to be quiet too.

System: Asus A8N-E, AMD Athlon 64 4000, 2 GB RAM, Radeon X850XT, 2 PATA HDDs (80 GB 7200 RPM and 180 GB 7200 RPM), floppy, systemboard audio only all in a THERMALTAKE SOPRANO VB1000BWS case ... and its black too.
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You can find a spot in your user control panel to put those system specs. Black too huh?

I'm out of the market now for a ~500W PSU... going through that calculator he recommends I'll need 600W for the Conroe and R600 upgrades that will be in here in less than a year. The 350W Enermax from the old system is keeping stable enough for another week or so, then I should have something long-term. I knew at the time I shouldn't have wasted any time or money on a $40 PSU.
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Finally ordered one...

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...y&promoid=1022

OCZ GameXStream 700W $100

Crashes and reboots be BANISHED!!
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I have an OCZ PowerStream so I can't say anything negative about them. I highly recommend Seasonic though.
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I have an OCZ PowerStream so I can't say anything negative about them. I highly recommend Seasonic though.
The thing I've realized not only from SKYMTL's posts but also reading through reviews is that the same brand can have many different manufacturers. Even two different power ratings for the same model can be done by two different manufacturers.

Hopefully this was a good choice... I like that it's got some decent to good reviews, it's 700W and it's $90 off the regular price!
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The thing I've realized not only from SKYMTL's posts but also reading through reviews is that the same brand can have many different manufacturers. Even two different power ratings for the same model can be done by two different manufacturers.

Hopefully this was a good choice... I like that it's got some decent to good reviews, it's 700W and it's $90 off the regular price!
well it's not like they simply rebrand models done by other oems (although that is also done). most of the time they'll ask for certain specs but don't have their own manufacturing plant so they outsource it to an oem who does and leave the rest of the specs up to them. on paper there shouldn't be a difference who made it, but different oems choose different parts, and that can have a huge impact on performance and reliability.
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well it's not like they simply rebrand models done by other oems (although that is also done). most of the time they'll ask for certain specs but don't have their own manufacturing plant so they outsource it to an oem who does and leave the rest of the specs up to them. on paper there shouldn't be a difference who made it, but different oems choose different parts, and that can have a huge impact on performance and reliability.
I've seen a couple of the reviews refered to by SKYMTL and the PSU is just a rebranded model of someone else's making. But yeah, parts makes the big deal of a difference.
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