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Old May 20, 2006, 11:17 AM   #1
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Old May 20, 2006, 11:39 AM   #2
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Old May 20, 2006, 11:54 AM   #3
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Whos copying who?

One word.

"Powerglove".

Tech isnt all the same, however the basic idea was there, and as far as I know, Nintendo was the first to actually try and sell it.

Bah..

Like there should be any question here.
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Old May 20, 2006, 02:19 PM   #6
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What does this have to do with the Wii controller? The tech inside a Wii controller is more than just tilt, and significantally more advanced than any motion sensing controller released before it. I thought we were past this a while ago....This is a losing argument, and one with clear bias aganist Nintendo.
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Old May 20, 2006, 03:12 PM   #7
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Isn't the Wii controller just a Gyration mouse?
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Old May 20, 2006, 03:14 PM   #8
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Thumbs down Wii control scheme is *NOT* just a motion sensor. Get over it already!!

My god, people are so friggin' stupid sometimes! I hate to say it, but they
are. They relate things that are totally unrelated. I find it disgusting how
folks are behaving, especially in the comments of that article (which is full
of crap in the first place... especially with the title being totally misleading).

For starters, the controller in that article wasn't even made by sony. Also,
as mentioned, motion sensor technology was applied to controllers a long
time ago.

Long ago, nintendo made it clear that their new control scheme would be
based on EXISTING technology but be put to different use. Remember
all those mock-ups were based on that prior knowledge. Remember my
little thread on a cool idea for a new controller?? (gee, I wonder who here
has been long enough for that one) It was based on that knowledge of
using existing technology.

Perhaps people should learn about the Wii control-scheme:
1. It's a REMOTE CONTROL AND NOT A JOYPAD! This alone is far different!
2. It senses 3D spatial POSITION and not just movement. It also acts as a pointer.
3. The remote mimics ARM MOVEMENT and is designed for the single hand.
3. The nunchuk mixes motion sensor *AND* analog thumbstick technology all designed to be used by ONE HAND.
4. The mix of the nunchuk and the Remote is very unique, both ergonomically and functionally.

The reason nintendo fans (and nintendo) are upset with Sony's controller is
that it rips the IDEA from nintendo that it's about time the traditional
control of console games be changed. Folks balked for months at nintendo
when they first announced their controller wasn't going to be like the
traditional joypad. Then, when the wii controller was introduced, many
felt it was crazy and dismissed 3rd party support, especially for multiplatform
games. Now that people are acknowledging the benefits of the control
scheme (I think we should that name for it instead), we have Sony trying
to cash in on the change of heart. Where nintendo designs the wii controller
to be the critical function of their control scheme, Sony turns some of the
TECHNOLOGY behind it (read: motion abilities that nunchuk uses) and turns
it into a gimmicky add-on for an already existing controller. This had the
danger of turning the notion of "motion/spatial sensing abilities" into a
gimmick. They wanted a piece of the pie which is a piss-off in itself. The
fact that they "redesigned" their controller at the last minute (remember
the boomerang) is proof.

I mentioned in another thread how the N64 contol pad was special in that
it introduced analog abilities to a control PAD (not *JOYSTICK*) and applied
it to gaming when 3D games became popular. At the time, Sony, CDI, 3DO,
Atari, Sega, and the like were still using D-pad/button combos for 3D games.
It's that same thinking that's behind the notion of a change is needed in
control scheme, which up until now, has been shunned. As said before, Sony
(and many fans) was one of the first to shun the Wii control scheme when
it was introduced (god, I wish I kept links to all that stuff) and now that
people are warming up to the idea, they try to jump on it and claim their
stuff as revolutionary. That's plain old wrong and dishonourable.

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Isn't the Wii controller just a Gyration mouse?
No it isn't. Read my post above. Also, I owned a gyration mouse...

By the way, the gyration mouse was not really designed to be used for
games in the first place.

People are too quick to categorize things that are unrelated. Look at the
gyration mouse, look at the REMOTE control. Figure it out. Do they really
look the same? Do they really function the same? Are they designed to
do the same things? Not at all.
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Sorry if my post above was a bit long, by the way, but I find it really infuriating
that folks just refuse to give credit where it's due. Worse off, they wrongfully
turn things around and accuse those that should be credited. That is really
bad in my books.

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Good stuff, NF. Common sense is beyond some people.
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Really good stuff NF!! Always nice to read your comments!!
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Not mentioned in that review though is pelican also released a pak for the N64 controllers at the same time called the "Tilt pak". http://www.twice.com/article/CA41340.html

Also the N64 was not the first to a thumb stick and was not the first to use in in 3D either. I could get picky and also point out it wasn't analog either but considering its sensitivity thats rather moot. The Vectrex, which did have 3D games. Did it over a decade before the N64. (To be clear though the little joystick, placed where a D-pad would normally be. Was not called a thumb stick. However most,but not all people controlled it using there thumb)

We owe allot to nintendo because they often perfect idea's,make them work and bring it to the mass's. But some times they are given credit where it is not due.
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I'll say it again, WHO CARES? they're both stupid fads that will eventually pass once the nation gets tired of swinging their arm 50 million times because they can't pass a mission who's failure comes from the fact the game is designed for a stupid controller.

Yeah a run on sentence, so shoot me.
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Why do people talk about big corporations as if they are individual people that they are either friends with or hate?

These are companies. They are capitalistic organizations that try to make money. Who cares if they copy each other? Nintendo isn't your grandfather or your sister-in-law. Sony wasn't the best man at your wedding or your brother. Where does this loyalty come from? Why does anyone get upset over any of this?

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Why do people talk about big corporations as if they are individual people that they are either friends with or hate?

These are companies. They are capitalistic organizations that try to make money. Who cares if they copy each other? Nintendo isn't your grandfather or your sister-in-law. Sony wasn't the best man at your wedding or your brother. Where does this loyalty come from? Why does anyone get upset over any of this?

Companies make products and offer services. When they have consistent high quality products/services, I tend to back them up and do business with them. When they start sucking at their products and services, I don't do business with them. If they start taking advantage of their customers, I make an effort to bad mouth them. Pretty simple.
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Yeah, that makes sense (at least to a degree--getting really emotional about it would seem weird to me).

But that's not really what I was getting at. The arguments in this thread have nothing to do with product quality--they're about whether these controller technologies are original or not.
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I'll say it again, WHO CARES? they're both stupid fads that will eventually pass once the nation gets tired of swinging their arm 50 million times because they can't pass a mission who's failure comes from the fact the game is designed for a stupid controller.

Yeah a run on sentence, so shoot me.

People used to say that about WASD and a mouse too. We won't start talking about joystick HOTAS systems either.
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Yeah well Bill gates said 640k was enough for anyone, wasd and joysticks make sense.
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@ this thread, the article and the idiots who believe it.
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Sony and Microsoft don't like to take risks. Why do you think they focus on mainly graphics and Multimedia. Because they og according to fads and popular intrest. Well thats all good, however you need a samll company to create the fad first. Everything that is a fad was once a niche at one point.

Basicaly Sony an Microsoft let small compaies whose sole survival relies on innovation to do the dirty work for them, then copy it with just enough diffrence to call it their own. PC enthusiasts know that Microsoft is the best at ripping off ideas in the PC software world.

I have never heard of the Pelecan PSone tilt (it's not motion sensing, just tilt sensing) controller before, probably because it never took off. This is because games were not designed with tilt sensor in mind.

PS3 contollers is the same way. It ust a gimmic, because only a hand full of games will actualy use it. Nintendo Wii, will have majority of it's games utillizing the Wii-mote.

Microsoft knows that Ninteno's plan very well, but MS has decided to attack core gamers, while let Nintendo niche market grow into a new fad. After that MS will try to improve on Nintendo's newly created fad and make it their own. That has been how Microsoft worked since they became an empire.

Sony has this lead only because they stole it right from under Ninterndo. With stiffer competion this time around will Sony retain it's undispued champion of video game titles or will it fall to the combined efforts of innovation and an evil empire.
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Yo man, we all got stupid in this thread... let it sink...
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