X1900XT why the driver problem?

anthonyl · Jan 27, 2006, 04:49 PM

Having read several forum posts from around the world it seems there is a bit (understatement) of a problem with the X1900XT's and what drivers to use.

From what I gather the cards have been released BUT have no drivers to properly support them. People report trying to install the drivers that come on the install CD but an .inf error message keeps popping up telling them that there card is not supported.

It's like a car company bringing out a totally new car with a radical propulsion system and nowhere to buy fuel for the damn thing!

Either someone goofed in the driver making department or most people who bought these cards dont know how to install drivers.

I was planning on ditching my 7800GTX and getting one of these but im not so sure anymore.

OneCoolAMD · Jan 27, 2006, 05:05 PM

Maybe "those people" need to learn how to uninstall there previous driver/s and clean the system

I had no problem installing the driver on the cd

anthonyl · Jan 27, 2006, 05:11 PM

Mate...thats good to hear. I was planning on doing a Windows re-install anyhow. One further question if you dont mind....do you need a special motherboard to run one of these or will my Asus A8N Sli board do the trick?

I think I read somewhere that to do "Crossfire" you need a certain motherboard....but for single card use im not sure.

SuperBORG · Jan 27, 2006, 05:21 PM

It works. As for CF, I am getting another XT next week, guess I will have to found out personally if CF works on a NF4 SLI chipset.

sireric · Jan 27, 2006, 06:51 PM

The only problem has been for people running windows XP 64b. For regular windows, it's fine (use the CD drivers). We've released a 64b driver now, so everyone should be fine.

xgman · Jan 27, 2006, 07:23 PM

For some reason the release drivers on the ati site don't include the x1900's in the driver inf file. The ones on the cd do and they appear to be the same date otherwise. Still it's seems quite a booboo on ati's part since some of the x1900's are no doubt OEM's and may even ship without drivers. I copied the inf files from the 1900 cd to the ati cat 6.1 downloaded folder where it decompressed the files and would assume that would do it.

anthonyl · Jan 27, 2006, 08:40 PM

So which drivers should I download for my new GeCube X1900XTX? Or should I use the ones that come on the CD...if there is one?

anthonyl · Jan 27, 2006, 08:54 PM

Will do..much appreciated.!!

xgman · Jan 27, 2006, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spyre

Use the ones on the CD until the 6.2's come out within the next two weeks

Well that kind of stinks. My 7800gtx512 is getting 700 points over the 1900xtx when both cards are set to "auto overclock" and the 1900 has issues with ati tryatools and atitool also, so it's a bit dicey right now. I thought for sure the 1900 would beat or at least match the 7800/512 in 3dm06. maybe if it had the 6.1 drivers? I wonder if the modded inf file put in the 6.1 set would install?

AllexxisF1 · Jan 27, 2006, 11:34 PM

I had absolutely no problem with drivers that came on the cd. Sounds like people need to get a driver cleaner refresh course.

xgman · Jan 27, 2006, 11:38 PM

Tried using the cd inf in the 6.1 pack and it didn't work.

These cd drivers just aren't fast enough on the 1900. Ati needs to step it up a bit me thinks.

xgman · Jan 27, 2006, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spyre

Wrong, the files on CD and on the website are entirely different. The ones on CD are a modified 5.13 set and the ones on the website are 6.1. .

My installed cd drivers say this belwo. is this not 6.1 catalyst?

Driver Packaging Version 8.203.4-051211a-028709C-ATI
Provider ATI Technologies Inc.
2D Driver Version 6.14.10.6587
2D Driver File Path System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Video\{4858DC54-3CB7-4276-B1DE-7B5A92FDC6B8}\0000
Direct3D Version 6.14.10.0362
OpenGL Version 6.14.10.5525
CATALYST® Control Center Version 1.2.2195.38647
AIW/VIVO WDM Driver Version 6.14.10.6238
AIW/VIVO WDM SP Driver Version 6.14.10.6246
AIW/VIVO WDM NSP Driver Version 6.14.10.6326

jkrashid · Jan 28, 2006, 04:02 AM

Ok i got my powercolor x1900xt yesterday. took my old geforce gtx 256 out (yes i uninstalled the drivers) plonked the x1900xt in, pwered up and i get no boot screen on my apple display, however if i put my old sony xblack monitor in i get the boot screen!! so i cant access the bios on my 23" acd. when windows finally loads the screen comes on. are the drivers bugy or what? sometimes windows wont even fully load, i get a stuttery mouse cursor or i cant click on anything. Also sometimes the cats center wont load. why cant i have the old control panel instead of the ccc pos?
Games run beautifully though!!

Pe-Te · Jan 28, 2006, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xgman

Well that kind of stinks. My 7800gtx512 is getting 700 points over the 1900xtx when both cards are set to "auto overclock" and the 1900 has issues with ati tryatools and atitool also, so it's a bit dicey right now.

So what did you score on the 7800 GTX 512 ?

Pe-Te

xgman · Jan 28, 2006, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pe-Te

So what did you score on the 7800 GTX 512 ?

Pe-Te

6576 on the 7800/512 and only around 6000 at full auto overclock on the 1900xtx. maybe the 6.1 drivers would help. I find it incredible that ati would launch a card with no support in it's most recent release drivers.

anthonyl · Jan 28, 2006, 08:38 PM

It does seem very fkn wierd that a company releases ANYTHING without first checking that the goods needed to run it PROPERLY are in place.

Seems like ATI does things in reverse. Take Crossfire for example.

If I purchased a 1900XTX and wanted to go crossfire straightaway I couldnt..why..because there are no mastercards! SLI on the other hand..all you need is 2 cards and away you go.

I have ordered a 1900XTX but am slowly starting to look at alternatives....this is a worrying trend.

xgman · Jan 28, 2006, 08:42 PM

I agree. Anyone know if the Omega 6.1's are modified to run the 1900's?

xgman · Jan 28, 2006, 10:06 PM

Spyre, any idea how long we'll have to wait for the 6.x support then? Quite frankley the 5.13's are not very good on the 1900xtx, at least compared to the 7800/512, which seems contrary to the reviews, but that's what i am seeing.

Also any other way to overclock beyond the low ati ccc limits. Tried ATitool and it doesn't work so good with this one. atitraytools doesn't support yet either.

matty baby · Jan 29, 2006, 04:52 AM

Hi people!

My X1900XTX works fine with the omega 6.1's when installing remeber not to install the ati tray tools as it dosnt support the x1900 cards

omega 6.1's also come with the control pannel so you dont need net2

great drivers as always with omega sets!

xgman · Jan 29, 2006, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matty baby

Hi people!

My X1900XTX works fine with the omega 6.1's when installing remeber not to install the ati tray tools as it dosnt support the x1900 cards

omega 6.1's also come with the control pannel so you dont need net2

great drivers as always with omega sets!

Cool. going to try them now.

xgman · Jan 29, 2006, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spyre

Should be within the next two weeks thats all I can say without breaking NDA.

You can try the leaked ATI overclocking util available at DH, dunno if it supports X1900's though since I dont have one yet. In the thread title it says R5xx so could work.
http://www.driverheaven.net/showthread.php?t=88559

Thanks, seems to work great, but it disdables the CCC overclocking function.

edit: well, they sort of work. After a while they seem to revert back to defaults even though not shown and you have to uninstall the ati drivers and reistall and start over to get it going again. Too much of a fuss.

phide · Jan 31, 2006, 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spyre

ATI cards are more strict about following the VESA standards and expect the monitor to have a fully complient EDID for EGA/VGA/SVGA for in DVI modes.

Is this an X1900-specific issue, as I haven't seen any mention of similar problems with X1800 cards? I'll be receiving my XTX sometime this week, and I also have a (20") Cinema Display. Wondering if I'm going to run into a snag.

HotrodTheMan · Jan 31, 2006, 07:43 AM

My X1900XTX is OEM and didn't come with a driver CD. So I downloaded the 6.1 drivers and still got the INF. error. Yes I do know how to remove drivers, uninstalled from ADD/REMOVE programs, restarted in safe mode, ran cab cleaner, and cleaned drivers with Driver Cleaner Pro. I then restarted, and installed new drivers. INF error, had to manual install drivers. Plus it ruined my boot screen, hell of a card though.

HotrodTheMan · Jan 31, 2006, 08:15 AM

Thanks for the response...I am kinda scared to flash the Bios...last time I did it froze, and I needed a new BIOS chip. It sucked not having a working CPU for a week. Any way to prevent this?

AllexxisF1 · Jan 31, 2006, 08:48 AM

From what I have been reading in this post is more people complaining about not being able to overclock than having real driver issues

If you wipe your video card drivers out properly and run a simple express install with the drivers that came with the cd you will have no problems.

If you don't have the cd, then look for the exact build online. Anything other than those drivers including the latest release from ATI will not work and you will get a .inf failure.

ATI should have its next round of drivers within a few weeks. As for the comments about this being a bad trend. The card came out a week ago, get a hold of yourself.

xgman · Jan 31, 2006, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllexxisF1

From what I have been reading in this post is more people complaining about not being able to overclock than having real driver issues

If you wipe your video card drivers out properly and run a simple express install with the drivers that came with the cd you will have no problems.

If you don't have the cd, then look for the exact build online. Anything other than those drivers including the latest release from ATI will not work and you will get a .inf failure.

ATI should have its next round of drivers within a few weeks. As for the comments about this being a bad trend. The card came out a week ago, get a hold of yourself.

You sound like you work for ATI. I got the same rude response from ATI level 2 tech support. This whole experience is leaving a bad taste in my mounth about ATI and I do NOT apologize for my position on wanting the same working 6.1 drivers that everyone else can use to work on my new $600 vid card. I suggest YOU get a hold of YOURSELF dude!

Baldrick · Jan 31, 2006, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllexxisF1

From what I have been reading in this post is more people complaining about not being able to overclock than having real driver issues

If you wipe your video card drivers out properly and run a simple express install with the drivers that came with the cd you will have no problems.

If you don't have the cd, then look for the exact build online. Anything other than those drivers including the latest release from ATI will not work and you will get a .inf failure.

ATI should have its next round of drivers within a few weeks. As for the comments about this being a bad trend. The card came out a week ago, get a hold of yourself.

the drivers on the cd DO NOT work with xp64 you need the xp64 sample ones from the ati site not the regular ones

anthonyl · Jan 31, 2006, 04:33 PM

Im still flabergasted by the fact that I bought a $1000.00 (AUD) card and there is no "proper" driver for it.

Talk about puting the "cart before the horse".

phide · Jan 31, 2006, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spyre

No its not specific to X1900 cards. Some Apple monitors dont have this problem and some do

Alright, thanks for the response. These monitors are touted for their PC compatibility - I don't quite understand why there would be EDID issues. I imagine my nVidia card is more 'relaxed' about VESA compliance, which seems to be a better attribute in my book, so long as it isn't damaging any displays on the market.

Ristogod · Feb 1, 2006, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HotrodTheMan

My X1900XTX is OEM and didn't come with a driver CD. So I downloaded the 6.1 drivers and still got the INF. error. Yes I do know how to remove drivers, uninstalled from ADD/REMOVE programs, restarted in safe mode, ran cab cleaner, and cleaned drivers with Driver Cleaner Pro. I then restarted, and installed new drivers. INF error, had to manual install drivers. Plus it ruined my boot screen, hell of a card though.

Same problem I had when I bought my X1800 XL. The CD that came with it was damaged and unreadable, so I had no drivers for it until ATI finally releases some that supported the X1800 series.

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anthonyl Radeon HD 4850 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 341	X1900XT why the driver problem? Having read several forum posts from around the world it seems there is a bit (understatement) of a problem with the X1900XT's and what drivers to use. From what I gather the cards have been released BUT have no drivers to properly support them. People report trying to install the drivers that come on the install CD but an .inf error message keeps popping up telling them that there card is not supported. It's like a car company bringing out a totally new car with a radical propulsion system and nowhere to buy fuel for the damn thing! Either someone goofed in the driver making department or most people who bought these cards dont know how to install drivers. I was planning on ditching my 7800GTX and getting one of these but im not so sure anymore. __________________ I7-920 \| Asus P6T Deluxe V2 \| 6gb G-Skill Trident memory \|DUAL Sapphire ATI 5870's in X-Fire \| 30" Samsung 305T Plus \| 60Gb OCZ Vertex SSD \|HAF 932 Case \| Logitech G5 / G15 / G25 / G35 / Z5500

Jan 27, 2006, 05:11 PM	#3
anthonyl Radeon HD 4850 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 341	Mate...thats good to hear. I was planning on doing a Windows re-install anyhow. One further question if you dont mind....do you need a special motherboard to run one of these or will my Asus A8N Sli board do the trick? I think I read somewhere that to do "Crossfire" you need a certain motherboard....but for single card use im not sure. __________________ I7-920 \| Asus P6T Deluxe V2 \| 6gb G-Skill Trident memory \|DUAL Sapphire ATI 5870's in X-Fire \| 30" Samsung 305T Plus \| 60Gb OCZ Vertex SSD \|HAF 932 Case \| Logitech G5 / G15 / G25 / G35 / Z5500

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Jan 27, 2006, 08:40 PM	#7
anthonyl Radeon HD 4850 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 341	So which drivers should I download for my new GeCube X1900XTX? Or should I use the ones that come on the CD...if there is one? __________________ I7-920 \| Asus P6T Deluxe V2 \| 6gb G-Skill Trident memory \|DUAL Sapphire ATI 5870's in X-Fire \| 30" Samsung 305T Plus \| 60Gb OCZ Vertex SSD \|HAF 932 Case \| Logitech G5 / G15 / G25 / G35 / Z5500

Jan 27, 2006, 08:54 PM	#8
anthonyl Radeon HD 4850 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 341	Will do..much appreciated.!! __________________ I7-920 \| Asus P6T Deluxe V2 \| 6gb G-Skill Trident memory \|DUAL Sapphire ATI 5870's in X-Fire \| 30" Samsung 305T Plus \| 60Gb OCZ Vertex SSD \|HAF 932 Case \| Logitech G5 / G15 / G25 / G35 / Z5500

Jan 27, 2006, 05:05 PM	#2
OneCoolAMD Bow to the Cow Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 605	Maybe "those people" need to learn how to uninstall there previous driver/s and clean the system I had no problem installing the driver on the cd

Jan 27, 2006, 05:21 PM	#4
SuperBORG Radeon HD 4850 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: British Columbia Posts: 243	It works. As for CF, I am getting another XT next week, guess I will have to found out personally if CF works on a NF4 SLI chipset.

Jan 27, 2006, 06:51 PM	#5
sireric ATI Guru Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bay Area, CA. Posts: 1,923	The only problem has been for people running windows XP 64b. For regular windows, it's fine (use the CD drivers). We've released a 64b driver now, so everyone should be fine.

Jan 27, 2006, 07:23 PM	#6
xgman Radeon HD 4550 Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 47	For some reason the release drivers on the ati site don't include the x1900's in the driver inf file. The ones on the cd do and they appear to be the same date otherwise. Still it's seems quite a booboo on ati's part since some of the x1900's are no doubt OEM's and may even ship without drivers. I copied the inf files from the 1900 cd to the ati cat 6.1 downloaded folder where it decompressed the files and would assume that would do it.

Jan 27, 2006, 11:34 PM	#10
AllexxisF1 Butter's Fan Club. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Treasure Coast, Florida Posts: 3,942	I had absolutely no problem with drivers that came on the cd. Sounds like people need to get a driver cleaner refresh course. __________________ Business! Mankind was my business. The common welfare was my business; charity, mercy, forbearance, and benevolence, were all my business. The dealings of my trade were but a drop of water in the comprehensive ocean of my business!

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Jan 27, 2006, 11:38 PM	#11
xgman Radeon HD 4550 Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 47	Tried using the cd inf in the 6.1 pack and it didn't work. These cd drivers just aren't fast enough on the 1900. Ati needs to step it up a bit me thinks.

Jan 28, 2006, 04:02 AM	#13
jkrashid Radeon HD 4350 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: UK Posts: 19	Ok i got my powercolor x1900xt yesterday. took my old geforce gtx 256 out (yes i uninstalled the drivers) plonked the x1900xt in, pwered up and i get no boot screen on my apple display, however if i put my old sony xblack monitor in i get the boot screen!! so i cant access the bios on my 23" acd. when windows finally loads the screen comes on. are the drivers bugy or what? sometimes windows wont even fully load, i get a stuttery mouse cursor or i cant click on anything. Also sometimes the cats center wont load. why cant i have the old control panel instead of the ccc pos? Games run beautifully though!! __________________ LOUNGE RIG: Shuttle xpc, A64 3800+, 1Gig OCZ DDR 500, 2X Sata 160 Gigs, Powercolor X800XT, Dual Layer DVD, 32" Samsung LCD TV, Logitech DiNivo, Logitech Cordless Pad. Audigy 2 ZS. MAIN OFFICE RIG: Imac 20" RevB, 2.0GHZ G5, 1Gig DDR 400, 250 Gig Sata HD, ATI 9600, Dual Layer DVD, Ipod 4th Gen, LifeDrive, JBL Creature Speakers, Apple Bluetooth KB & Mouse, WIFI & Bluetooth 2.0. PORTABLE OFFICE RIG Sony Vaio S2XP Laptop Docekd to 19" Sony Xblack LCD, 1Gig DDR400, 80 Gig HD, Ati 9700Pro, DVD Writer, 13.3" xblack Laptop screen, Audigy 2 NX, Logitech 5200 2.1, Sony PSP, Sony NW-HD1, Cordless Vaio Mouse & KB, 7.2MP Sony Camera. LAPTOP: Powerbook G4, 768meg DDR 400, GFX 5200, 60Gig HD, 12.1" Screen, DVD/cdwriter, 1.3ghz G4.

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Jan 28, 2006, 08:38 PM	#16
anthonyl Radeon HD 4850 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 341	It does seem very fkn wierd that a company releases ANYTHING without first checking that the goods needed to run it PROPERLY are in place. Seems like ATI does things in reverse. Take Crossfire for example. If I purchased a 1900XTX and wanted to go crossfire straightaway I couldnt..why..because there are no mastercards! SLI on the other hand..all you need is 2 cards and away you go. I have ordered a 1900XTX but am slowly starting to look at alternatives....this is a worrying trend. __________________ I7-920 \| Asus P6T Deluxe V2 \| 6gb G-Skill Trident memory \|DUAL Sapphire ATI 5870's in X-Fire \| 30" Samsung 305T Plus \| 60Gb OCZ Vertex SSD \|HAF 932 Case \| Logitech G5 / G15 / G25 / G35 / Z5500

Jan 28, 2006, 08:42 PM	#17
xgman Radeon HD 4550 Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 47	I agree. Anyone know if the Omega 6.1's are modified to run the 1900's?

Jan 28, 2006, 10:06 PM	#18
xgman Radeon HD 4550 Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 47	Spyre, any idea how long we'll have to wait for the 6.x support then? Quite frankley the 5.13's are not very good on the 1900xtx, at least compared to the 7800/512, which seems contrary to the reviews, but that's what i am seeing. Also any other way to overclock beyond the low ati ccc limits. Tried ATitool and it doesn't work so good with this one. atitraytools doesn't support yet either.

Jan 29, 2006, 04:52 AM	#19
matty baby Vapor matt Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: England Posts: 108	Hi people! My X1900XTX works fine with the omega 6.1's when installing remeber not to install the ati tray tools as it dosnt support the x1900 cards omega 6.1's also come with the control pannel so you dont need net2 great drivers as always with omega sets! __________________ Asus P5WD2-P 288 FSB P4 940 presler 4615mhz PolaFlow TT CPU water block 2 Gig 8000UL DDR2 4.3.3.4 P & PC cooling 510 Sli X1900 XTX DD X18 GPU block modded W/d raptors Raid O Seagate 250g slavedrive, 16X sony DVD CDR, 16X NEC dual DVDR. windows Xp sp2 slipstreamed....

Jan 31, 2006, 07:43 AM	#23
HotrodTheMan Radeon HD 4600 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Detroit Posts: 93	My X1900XTX is OEM and didn't come with a driver CD. So I downloaded the 6.1 drivers and still got the INF. error. Yes I do know how to remove drivers, uninstalled from ADD/REMOVE programs, restarted in safe mode, ran cab cleaner, and cleaned drivers with Driver Cleaner Pro. I then restarted, and installed new drivers. INF error, had to manual install drivers. Plus it ruined my boot screen, hell of a card though.

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Jan 31, 2006, 08:15 AM	#24
HotrodTheMan Radeon HD 4600 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Detroit Posts: 93	Thanks for the response...I am kinda scared to flash the Bios...last time I did it froze, and I needed a new BIOS chip. It sucked not having a working CPU for a week. Any way to prevent this?

Jan 31, 2006, 08:48 AM	#25
AllexxisF1 Butter's Fan Club. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Treasure Coast, Florida Posts: 3,942	From what I have been reading in this post is more people complaining about not being able to overclock than having real driver issues If you wipe your video card drivers out properly and run a simple express install with the drivers that came with the cd you will have no problems. If you don't have the cd, then look for the exact build online. Anything other than those drivers including the latest release from ATI will not work and you will get a .inf failure. ATI should have its next round of drivers within a few weeks. As for the comments about this being a bad trend. The card came out a week ago, get a hold of yourself. __________________ Business! Mankind was my business. The common welfare was my business; charity, mercy, forbearance, and benevolence, were all my business. The dealings of my trade were but a drop of water in the comprehensive ocean of my business!

Jan 31, 2006, 04:33 PM	#28
anthonyl Radeon HD 4850 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 341	Im still flabergasted by the fact that I bought a $1000.00 (AUD) card and there is no "proper" driver for it. Talk about puting the "cart before the horse". __________________ I7-920 \| Asus P6T Deluxe V2 \| 6gb G-Skill Trident memory \|DUAL Sapphire ATI 5870's in X-Fire \| 30" Samsung 305T Plus \| 60Gb OCZ Vertex SSD \|HAF 932 Case \| Logitech G5 / G15 / G25 / G35 / Z5500

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