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Old Oct 14, 2005, 07:45 AM   #1
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Default Firefox Sucks! (a little)

419 seconds to display a table of ~31,000 rows. IE takes 5.5 seconds to render the same thing.

There is NO way to get anywhere close to IE's speed using divs(45 seconds). <p> is much faster(17 seconds), but no formatting.

So, screw you CSS 2.0! I'm stuck with this ****ing report to do and I can't get acceptable performance with 'good' browsers(Firefox, Opera). On top of that Firefox bugs out with divs misrendering them when table-row and table-cell attributes are used! That is valid CSS 2.0 by the way!

My SQL takes only 0.15 seconds(yes, that's right) to spit the data out.



The point: Firefox/Opera are vastly inferior to IE when it comes to displaying large amounts of tabular data.

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Old Oct 14, 2005, 08:18 AM   #2
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Easy boy, easy.
Everyone knows and prefers ie. IE is also far more secure. Anything else is insecure, and inferior.
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Old Oct 14, 2005, 08:22 AM   #3
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Easy boy, easy.
Everyone knows and prefers ie. IE is also far more secure. Anything else is insecure, and inferior.
hey, in combination with anti-virus, firewall, and anti-spyware, it's the truth. and you get smoother scrolling in ie to top it off.
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Old Oct 14, 2005, 08:26 AM   #4
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hey, in combination with anti-virus, firewall, and anti-spyware, it's the truth. and you get smoother scrolling in ie to top it off.
I completely disagree.
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Old Oct 14, 2005, 08:34 AM   #5
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Easy boy, easy.
Everyone knows and prefers ie. IE is also far more secure. Anything else is insecure, and inferior.
If you re-read my point(s) you will see that I have never mentioned security of either browser...
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Old Oct 14, 2005, 08:37 AM   #6
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If you re-read my point(s) you will see that I have never mentioned security of either browser...
I completly disagree with you.
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Old Oct 14, 2005, 08:42 AM   #7
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Old Oct 14, 2005, 08:45 AM   #8
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You need to keep a copy of IE installed (not that you can uninstall it) for sites that have problems with Firefox. Just use IE for your tables or whatever.

Bottomline, however, is IE is an unsecure POS. I never had a major issue with IE and waited a long time to switch to Firefox. What finally pushed me over the edge was the constant viruses and security holes in IE (coolwebsearch, etc). It just wasn't worth running with IE when it meant my PC would be hijacked every other week even after installing all the patches.
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Old Oct 14, 2005, 08:50 AM   #9
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You need to keep a copy of IE installed (not that you can uninstall it) for sites that have problems with Firefox. Just use IE for your tables or whatever.

Bottomline, however, is IE is an unsecure POS. I never had a major issue with IE and waited a long time to switch to Firefox. What finally pushed me over the edge was the constant viruses and security holes in IE (coolwebsearch, etc). It just wasn't worth running with IE when it meant my PC would be hijacked every other week even after installing all the patches.
Its all a pack of lies and vicous rumors to throw people off... of the REAL problem we have here..
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Old Oct 14, 2005, 10:06 AM   #10
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I've noticed the same thing, when loading a large local table, but I'm sure Opera is even faster, anyway, I have no choice now, I can't chose the level of security , it's either I can't view the page at all, or I can view it in firefox, IE's crapness extents to security too, if you want to be safe, you end up not seeing anything, and firefox keeps on rendering like allways, when you don't hav eto filter dangerous responses then I guess things speed up a bit.
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What exactly are you guys opening
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Old Oct 14, 2005, 10:17 AM   #12
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What exactly are you guys opening
stop following me, I open FF, yet in IE the page will not render.
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Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.
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Old Oct 14, 2005, 10:18 AM   #13
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stop following me, I open FF, yet in IE the page will not render.
I'm stalking you, only I'm not being secretive about it


You must look at some really strange porn for ie to not even open it.
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Old Oct 14, 2005, 11:01 AM   #14
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My biggest gripe with FireFox these days is that it won't allow me to run a downloaded executable. The option is greyed out, and my only choice is to save it first. There's gotta be a switch that will allow me to override this safety measure, but I haven't found it.
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Old Oct 14, 2005, 11:35 AM   #15
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My biggest gripe with FireFox these days is that it won't allow me to run a downloaded executable. The option is greyed out, and my only choice is to save it first. There's gotta be a switch that will allow me to override this safety measure, but I haven't found it.
Did yo ugo through all the preference settings?
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Old Oct 14, 2005, 11:37 AM   #16
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CTRL+Mouse wheel should fix it jus like Cramak.
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I do NOT, repeat, I do NOT concur with all this.
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Old Oct 14, 2005, 11:42 AM   #18
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I do NOT, repeat, I do NOT concur with all this.
Did you theive that avatar?

I do NOT, repeat, I do NOT concur with this.

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Did you theive that avatar?

I do NOT, repeat, I do NOT concur with this.

I asked NissanNazi if I could use it a long time ago.
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I asked NissanNazi if I could use it a long time ago.
He said no. Two times
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Old Oct 14, 2005, 12:09 PM   #21
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Firefox doesn't suck... it blows.

Seriously though, that is why the made a 'Open link in IE' extension.
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He said no. Two times
But then he sent me money and I said yes. I'm easy all it takes is money I'm such a man slut.
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But then he sent me money and I said yes. I'm easy all it takes is money I'm such a man slut.
I never got my cut though... He still owes us money
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I do NOT, repeat, I do NOT concur with all this.
How can you not agree with my conclusions? Did you do your own research and got different results?





P.S. Oh yeah, FF 1.5 beta2 > FF 1.0.x
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Seriously though, that is why the made a 'Open link in IE' extension.
How can I expect hunderds of users to install this extension in order for my application to be useable?
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FF certainly aint purfect but i do like its extenshuns.
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Why would you want to display 31,000 rows of something? That's a lot of info to look through. What about printing out x amount of rows and clicking next for more?

How many columns are you using? You can try definition lists if it's only 2.

Maybe print it out in a text file with tabs?
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Why would you want to display 31,000 rows of something? That's a lot of info to look through. What about printing out x amount of rows and clicking next for more?

How many columns are you using? You can try definition lists if it's only 2.

Maybe print it out in a text file with tabs?
Why am I printing so much? Well, these are the requirements of the software. I agree, printing so much in a browser is excessive, but who am I to question the management and their needs?

I'm printing more than 2 columns. The number is around 12 or so, I can't remember exactly atm.

Instead of running the report in a web browser, user does have a choice of saving it as: .txt, .csv, .xls, .pdf and even .xml
Does not eliminate the need of displaying it as a .php though.
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419 seconds to display a table of ~31,000 rows. IE takes 5.5 seconds to render the same thing.

There is NO way to get anywhere close to IE's speed using divs(45 seconds). <p> is much faster(17 seconds), but no formatting.

So, screw you CSS 2.0! I'm stuck with this ****ing report to do and I can't get acceptable performance with 'good' browsers(Firefox, Opera). On top of that Firefox bugs out with divs misrendering them when table-row and table-cell attributes are used! That is valid CSS 2.0 by the way!

My SQL takes only 0.15 seconds(yes, that's right) to spit the data out.



The point: Firefox/Opera are vastly inferior to IE when it comes to displaying large amounts of tabular data.

Oh man, someone give me a gun!
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