Firefox Sucks! (a little)

P1x44r · Oct 14, 2005, 07:45 AM

419 seconds to display a table of ~31,000 rows. IE takes 5.5 seconds to render the same thing.

There is NO way to get anywhere close to IE's speed using divs(45 seconds). <p> is much faster(17 seconds), but no formatting.

So, screw you CSS 2.0! I'm stuck with this ****ing report to do and I can't get acceptable performance with 'good' browsers(Firefox, Opera). On top of that Firefox bugs out with divs misrendering them when table-row and table-cell attributes are used! That is valid CSS 2.0 by the way!

My SQL takes only 0.15 seconds(yes, that's right) to spit the data out.

The point: Firefox/Opera are vastly inferior to IE when it comes to displaying large amounts of tabular data.

Oh man, someone give me a gun!

wonder squirrel · Oct 14, 2005, 08:18 AM

Easy boy, easy.
Everyone knows and prefers ie. IE is also far more secure. Anything else is insecure, and inferior.

vazel · Oct 14, 2005, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wonder squirrel

Easy boy, easy.
Everyone knows and prefers ie. IE is also far more secure. Anything else is insecure, and inferior.

hey, in combination with anti-virus, firewall, and anti-spyware, it's the truth.

and you get smoother scrolling in ie to top it off.

wonder squirrel · Oct 14, 2005, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vazel

hey, in combination with anti-virus, firewall, and anti-spyware, it's the truth.

and you get smoother scrolling in ie to top it off.

I completely disagree.

P1x44r · Oct 14, 2005, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wonder squirrel

Easy boy, easy.
Everyone knows and prefers ie. IE is also far more secure. Anything else is insecure, and inferior.

If you re-read my point(s) you will see that I have never mentioned security of either browser...

wonder squirrel · Oct 14, 2005, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P1x44r

If you re-read my point(s) you will see that I have never mentioned security of either browser...

I completly disagree with you.

Evileh · Oct 14, 2005, 08:42 AM

I agree to disagree

Nagorak · Oct 14, 2005, 08:45 AM

You need to keep a copy of IE installed (not that you can uninstall it) for sites that have problems with Firefox. Just use IE for your tables or whatever.

Bottomline, however, is IE is an unsecure POS. I never had a major issue with IE and waited a long time to switch to Firefox. What finally pushed me over the edge was the constant viruses and security holes in IE (coolwebsearch, etc). It just wasn't worth running with IE when it meant my PC would be hijacked every other week even after installing all the patches.

wonder squirrel · Oct 14, 2005, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Nagorak

You need to keep a copy of IE installed (not that you can uninstall it) for sites that have problems with Firefox. Just use IE for your tables or whatever.

Bottomline, however, is IE is an unsecure POS. I never had a major issue with IE and waited a long time to switch to Firefox. What finally pushed me over the edge was the constant viruses and security holes in IE (coolwebsearch, etc). It just wasn't worth running with IE when it meant my PC would be hijacked every other week even after installing all the patches.

Its all a pack of lies and vicous rumors to throw people off... of the REAL problem we have here..

UDHA · Oct 14, 2005, 10:06 AM

I've noticed the same thing, when loading a large local table, but I'm sure Opera is even faster, anyway, I have no choice now, I can't chose the level of security , it's either I can't view the page at all, or I can view it in firefox, IE's crapness extents to security too, if you want to be safe, you end up not seeing anything, and firefox keeps on rendering like allways, when you don't hav eto filter dangerous responses then I guess things speed up a bit.

wonder squirrel · Oct 14, 2005, 10:09 AM

What exactly are you guys opening

UDHA · Oct 14, 2005, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by wonder squirrel

What exactly are you guys opening

stop following me, I open FF, yet in IE the page will not render.

wonder squirrel · Oct 14, 2005, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by UDHA

stop following me, I open FF, yet in IE the page will not render.

I'm stalking you, only I'm not being secretive about it

You must look at some really strange porn for ie to not even open it.

Djinn · Oct 14, 2005, 11:01 AM

My biggest gripe with FireFox these days is that it won't allow me to run a downloaded executable. The option is greyed out, and my only choice is to save it first. There's gotta be a switch that will allow me to override this safety measure, but I haven't found it.

wonder squirrel · Oct 14, 2005, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Djinn

My biggest gripe with FireFox these days is that it won't allow me to run a downloaded executable. The option is greyed out, and my only choice is to save it first. There's gotta be a switch that will allow me to override this safety measure, but I haven't found it.

Did yo ugo through all the preference settings?

Payne3d · Oct 14, 2005, 11:37 AM

CTRL+Mouse wheel should fix it jus like Cramak.

Stingray · Oct 14, 2005, 11:38 AM

I do NOT, repeat, I do NOT concur with all this.

wonder squirrel · Oct 14, 2005, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stingray

I do NOT, repeat, I do NOT concur with all this.

Did you theive that avatar?

I do NOT, repeat, I do NOT concur with this.

Stingray · Oct 14, 2005, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wonder squirrel

Did you theive that avatar?

I do NOT, repeat, I do NOT concur with this.

I asked NissanNazi if I could use it a long time ago.

wonder squirrel · Oct 14, 2005, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Stingray

I asked NissanNazi if I could use it a long time ago.

He said no. Two times

Perky McGiggles · Oct 14, 2005, 12:09 PM

Firefox doesn't suck... it blows.

Seriously though, that is why the made a 'Open link in IE' extension.

NissanNazi · Oct 14, 2005, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wonder squirrel

He said no. Two times

But then he sent me money and I said yes. I'm easy all it takes is money I'm such a man slut.

wonder squirrel · Oct 14, 2005, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NissanNazi

But then he sent me money and I said yes. I'm easy all it takes is money I'm such a man slut.

I never got my cut though... He still owes us money

P1x44r · Oct 14, 2005, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stingray

I do NOT, repeat, I do NOT concur with all this.

How can you not agree with my conclusions? Did you do your own research and got different results?

P.S. Oh yeah, FF 1.5 beta2 > FF 1.0.x

P1x44r · Oct 14, 2005, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perky McGiggles

Seriously though, that is why the made a 'Open link in IE' extension.

How can I expect hunderds of users to install this extension in order for my application to be useable?

lumpyhed · Oct 14, 2005, 01:14 PM

INFIDEL!

FF certainly aint purfect but i do like its extenshuns.

Slappy THM · Oct 14, 2005, 01:26 PM

Why would you want to display 31,000 rows of something? That's a lot of info to look through. What about printing out x amount of rows and clicking next for more?

How many columns are you using? You can try definition lists if it's only 2.

Maybe print it out in a text file with tabs?

LaBlue · Oct 14, 2005, 01:49 PM

Firfox is slow as molasses. Flame on.

P1x44r · Oct 14, 2005, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slappy THM

Why would you want to display 31,000 rows of something? That's a lot of info to look through. What about printing out x amount of rows and clicking next for more?

How many columns are you using? You can try definition lists if it's only 2.

Maybe print it out in a text file with tabs?

Why am I printing so much? Well, these are the requirements of the software. I agree, printing so much in a browser is excessive, but who am I to question the management and their needs?

I'm printing more than 2 columns. The number is around 12 or so, I can't remember exactly atm.

Instead of running the report in a web browser, user does have a choice of saving it as: .txt, .csv, .xls, .pdf and even .xml
Does not eliminate the need of displaying it as a .php though.

Chubz · Oct 14, 2005, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P1x44r

419 seconds to display a table of ~31,000 rows. IE takes 5.5 seconds to render the same thing.

There is NO way to get anywhere close to IE's speed using divs(45 seconds). <p> is much faster(17 seconds), but no formatting.

So, screw you CSS 2.0! I'm stuck with this ****ing report to do and I can't get acceptable performance with 'good' browsers(Firefox, Opera). On top of that Firefox bugs out with divs misrendering them when table-row and table-cell attributes are used! That is valid CSS 2.0 by the way!

My SQL takes only 0.15 seconds(yes, that's right) to spit the data out.

The point: Firefox/Opera are vastly inferior to IE when it comes to displaying large amounts of tabular data.

Oh man, someone give me a gun!

Uh... nice smileys.

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P1x44r Rage3D Spammer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 17,846	Firefox Sucks! (a little) 419 seconds to display a table of ~31,000 rows. IE takes 5.5 seconds to render the same thing. There is NO way to get anywhere close to IE's speed using divs(45 seconds). <p> is much faster(17 seconds), but no formatting. So, screw you CSS 2.0! I'm stuck with this **ing report to do and I can't get acceptable performance with 'good' browsers(Firefox, Opera). On top of that Firefox bugs out with divs misrendering them when table-row and table-cell attributes are used! That is valid CSS 2.0 by the way! My SQL takes only 0.15 seconds(yes, that's right) to spit the data out. The point: Firefox/Opera are vastly inferior to IE when it comes to displaying large amounts of tabular data. Oh man, someone give me a gun! __________________ Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving in a pretty, pristine body but rather to come sliding in sideways, all used up and exclaiming, "Wow, what a ride!"**

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Oct 14, 2005, 08:18 AM	#2
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Nagorak Incarnation of the Nether Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Amanackia Posts: 7,804	You need to keep a copy of IE installed (not that you can uninstall it) for sites that have problems with Firefox. Just use IE for your tables or whatever. Bottomline, however, is IE is an unsecure POS. I never had a major issue with IE and waited a long time to switch to Firefox. What finally pushed me over the edge was the constant viruses and security holes in IE (coolwebsearch, etc). It just wasn't worth running with IE when it meant my PC would be hijacked every other week even after installing all the patches.

Oct 14, 2005, 10:06 AM	#10
UDHA Clbuttic Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 11,932	I've noticed the same thing, when loading a large local table, but I'm sure Opera is even faster, anyway, I have no choice now, I can't chose the level of security , it's either I can't view the page at all, or I can view it in firefox, IE's crapness extents to security too, if you want to be safe, you end up not seeing anything, and firefox keeps on rendering like allways, when you don't hav eto filter dangerous responses then I guess things speed up a bit. __________________ The strong man is the one who is able to intercept at will the communication between the senses and the mind. ~ Napoleon Bonaparte (1769 - 1821)

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wonder squirrel Godlike Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 13,463	What exactly are you guys opening __________________ The last of a dying breed..

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Djinn Rage3D Fixture Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Warminster, PA USA Posts: 30,500	My biggest gripe with FireFox these days is that it won't allow me to run a downloaded executable. The option is greyed out, and my only choice is to save it first. There's gotta be a switch that will allow me to override this safety measure, but I haven't found it. __________________ "The history of intellectual progress is written in the lives of infidels." - Robert Ingersoll (1833 - 1899)

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Oct 14, 2005, 11:38 AM	#17
Stingray Banned Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 18,015	I do NOT, repeat, I do NOT concur with all this.

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Oct 14, 2005, 01:14 PM	#26
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Slappy THM Time Honoured Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sur le plateau... Posts: 584	Why would you want to display 31,000 rows of something? That's a lot of info to look through. What about printing out x amount of rows and clicking next for more? How many columns are you using? You can try definition lists if it's only 2. Maybe print it out in a text file with tabs? __________________ "Happiness is perpendicular to delirium" - Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth

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