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Old Oct 12, 2005, 06:03 PM   #1
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Default New drivers! Official 8.18 release thread

Release notes:

(get them on ATI's site manually, direct link gets a leech error)

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Dynamic Clock Gating

The Linux 8.18.6 software driver provides dynamic clock gating. This feature allows the supported graphics cards to deactivate components when they are not being used.

Enhanced Support for OpenGL Development


The Linux 8.18.6 software driver provides enhanced support for OpenGL development. The driver now installs the glATI.h header file allowing for OpenGL developers to access the advanced functionality found on ATI's hardware platform.

Dual Link Monitor Support


The Linux 8.18.6 software driver now provides support for dual link monitors for ATI graphics cards that have dual link DVI connectors.

Xinerama Support


The Linux 8.18.6 software driver now provides Xinerama extension support for big desktop configurations.

New X Server Configuration Utility


The Linux 8.18.6 software driver now provides a new X Server configuration utility known as aticonfig. This allows for configuration of ATI devices via a command line interface.

Issues Resolved


Access to /proc/dri/0/* no longer results in an oops on kernels that have CONFIG_REGPARM enabled
Get them for x86 here:

https://support.ati.com/ics/support/...e&folderID=300

Can't wait to try them out I've narrowed down the poll options to just 4. I think the 1-10 number system was a little too arbitrary.
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Old Oct 12, 2005, 06:23 PM   #2
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Installed em ok on my Gentoo, gl working fine (better than previous drivers as i couldn't get dri to work with my kernel) but i'm now stuck at the wrong resolution. My monitor does 1152x864 @ 75Hz fine and has done for years with the 8.14 drivers and earlier, now it will only let me use 60Hz at that res (and the res above, 1280x1024, isn't even an option anymore) so to run at 75Hz (need to be kind on my eyes) I have to go to 1024x768 which really does feel restricted

had a few issues downloading - ending up at a page 'leech.asp' over and over
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Old Oct 12, 2005, 06:31 PM   #3
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Note that this will be compatible with kernel 2.6.14 because the driver now uses the access_ok function instead of verify_area No more `deprecated` warnings during compile (indeed, just to make sure i grepped for access_ok and got quite a few matches).

Very nice so far...
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Old Oct 12, 2005, 06:32 PM   #4
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Yeah for some reason it wont let you direct link to the release notes without a leech error. Sorry for that...
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found that rather annoying, as i tend to wget stuff - not a chance

had to use my browser (firefox 1.5 beta1), which for some reason was being instructed to load real player for the .rpm and eventually managed to save the rpm
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Old Oct 12, 2005, 08:53 PM   #6
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found that rather annoying, as i tend to wget stuff - not a chance

had to use my browser (firefox 1.5 beta1), which for some reason was being instructed to load real player for the .rpm tand eventually managed to save the rpm
yeah the download page is screwed up.. it will always open the run script in the browser unless you hit stop when before it loads and save-target-as to the little link ..
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Old Oct 12, 2005, 09:34 PM   #7
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fgl_glxgears has a new option "-fbo" which uses the "framebuffer object" GL extension instead of pbuffers for rendering... you can see the performance improvement gained by using fbo over pbuffers. I get 100-200FPS more with -fbo on my 9800XT.
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Old Oct 12, 2005, 10:06 PM   #8
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I'm quite interested in this "Dynamic Clock Gate" thingy. How does it work, what products are supported, etc.? Details!
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We have to sign up for an account to download the drivers now?
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We have to sign up for an account to download the drivers now?
No. Think before posting dude...
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I click on the download link on ati.com and it asks me to sign in or create a new account.
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Well wget-ting them with --referer works, but if I want to download them by clicking on the site I would have to create an account. Don't believe me? Try for yourself.
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Quote:
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Installed em ok on my Gentoo, gl working fine (better than previous drivers as i couldn't get dri to work with my kernel) but i'm now stuck at the wrong resolution. My monitor does 1152x864 @ 75Hz fine and has done for years with the 8.14 drivers and earlier, now it will only let me use 60Hz at that res (and the res above, 1280x1024, isn't even an option anymore) so to run at 75Hz (need to be kind on my eyes) I have to go to 1024x768 which really does feel restricted
Please make sure you either find a matching bug on ati.cchtml.com or raise a new one.

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Old Oct 12, 2005, 11:42 PM   #14
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Xinerama Support
I look forward to trying this one out - or hearing from anyone that has. Any comments on the interaction between xinerama and opengl?

It would also be good to see some more details on what exactly dynamic clock gating is good for. My guess is that it will result in a little more battery life for notebooks. Is there more to it than that?
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It would also be good to see some more details on what exactly dynamic clock gating is good for. My guess is that it will result in a little more battery life for notebooks. Is there more to it than that?
It automatically powers down unused parts of the chip, or downclocks. The only reason is to save battery power, but can also be useful in servers and such for saving electricity ($$) and reducing heat (increased life).

You can refer to the DynamicClocks xorg option available in the Radeon driver for more info as I believe they are similar implementations.
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Xinerama Support
I look forward to trying this one out - or hearing from anyone that has. Any comments on the interaction between xinerama and opengl?

It would also be good to see some more details on what exactly dynamic clock gating is good for. My guess is that it will result in a little more battery life for notebooks. Is there more to it than that?
For me, xinerama works okay, with three caveats:

1) Setting a background creates a mess on the desktop (gnome). This also happened with the radeon driver, so it is a fault with xorg/gnome rather than the video driver, but is bloody annoying none the less.

2) NO DRI
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(II) Loading extension ATIFGLRXDRI
(II) fglrx(0): doing DRIScreenInit
(WW) fglrx(0): Direct rendering is not supported when Xinerama is enabled
(EE) fglrx(0): DRIScreenInit failed!
So of course, no opengl either

3) Xine can't handle the aspect ratios properly and makes video's v e r y wide.... (not ati's fault, but again bloody annoying).

All in all the drivers work pretty well, though some more documentation would be nice.... And tis back to dualhead for me, it works and I am happy with it.
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OK

They still haven't fixed bug 174 in the overlay window.

Also, yet another driver release where you have to reconfigure your xorg.conf.

Still no working composite.

And a noob question, I used to have a single wallpaper under xcfe spanning both my monitors, now I have to set a different wallpaper for each display.

How do I go back to one spanned wallpaper?
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Seems video overlay is still crap.. tvtime works, given I have to open it two times in a row to get rid of the bar at bottom.. then tried zapping in ubuntu repository it froze system couple seconds after setting it to overlay mode..
Went and got latest zapping packages, compiled and installed.. same thing.. freezes system on overlay mode..

Bah.. looks like back to windows to record any tv...
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I would like to commend ATI for its increased support of the Linux platform. Its great to see a graphical installer which supports multiple distro's. My next upgrade will certainly be ATI hardware for my machine. Please pass on this message as I want ATI to realise better Linux support equates to more sales.
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Old Oct 13, 2005, 04:36 AM   #20
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Just a question... how do I update from my previous drivers?
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Old Oct 13, 2005, 06:37 AM   #21
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After a quick test (and voted "Progressing nicely")

(I start with the regressions)

*) exiting X kills the machine with radeonfb, all previous versions worked in that regard
(traces of text from console can be spotted between lots of vertical lines)

*) wrong display aspect ratio exported to e.g. xine. right now, xine thinks its
a 16:9 display (its 16:10 1920x1200 panel). Again, previous versions worked fine (as does xorgs radeon driver).
EDIT: well, add a DisplaySize line to monitor config to make it right.

*) almost all fonts are bigger than they used to be (especially AA fonts),
although I see the same issue on another machine with Rad9000 and Xorg radeon driver sometimes.
EDIT: it's actually a DPI thingy, same thing happens with radeon(4), if I
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Postal2 now runs nice in fullscreen, also at lower-than-panelres-resolutions,
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What about the composite extension? Is it supported now?
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2) NO DRI
Xinerama... So of course, no opengl either
Multi-head xinerama is broken in that way. Not ATI's fault.

Xinerama over big-desktop is where the support has been added. Try it with that and report back.

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Quote:
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Multi-head xinerama is broken in that way. Not ATI's fault.

Xinerama over big-desktop is where the support has been added. Try it with that and report back.

Regards,

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After Matthew's suggestion, I can report that xinerama over bigdesktop works fine on my system (DRI and all...) and tis nice to have windows like dual screen functionality.

Only two things I had to do :

Add: Option "DesktopSetup" "horizontal"
to the fglrx device section

and NOT load xinerama explicitly.. This was the cause of most of my original problems (of course totem-xine & xinerama are problematic, but kaffeine-xine works, so tis definitely not an ATI problem )

Of course it would be good if the gamma settings were retained upon exit though.... tis a pain having to reset them every time...
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Question Samsung problem fixed?

Does anybody know if this new driver fixes the issue with the Samsung LTN154X1 laptop display?

It doesn't have an EDID so I just get a frozen blank screen with the 8.16.20 drivers. I had to revert to the 8.14.13 to get it working again.

The new driver ignoring the modeline in xorg.conf is really annoying.
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Dynamic Clock Gating

The Linux 8.18.6 software driver provides dynamic clock gating. This feature allows the supported graphics cards to deactivate components when they are not being used.
Would this have anything to do with making it possible to write an ATI overclocking utility for Linux?

BTW, FSAA still doesn't f-ing work with the 9600 series. :P
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I am interested in this "Dynamic Clock Gating" feature of the new drivers. Do all the ati cards support this feature or do they have to have the PowerPlay feature?
Finally, is this feature enabled by default or do I need do add a line in the config file?

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This bug has not been fixed:

http://ati.cchtml.com/show_bug.cgi?id=164

Why? It's a _very_ easy thing to fix... Must be frustrating for newbies, when DPMS is not enabled by default.
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Matthew,

Have you successfully installed the latest driver on Breezy?

The new driver does solve the 1280x800 resolution problem that I had with 8.16.20, but I'm missing something when it comes to openGL:

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[email protected]:~$ fglrxinfo
display: :0.0  screen: 0
OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.2.1)
I assume it is due to Ubuntu modularizing xorg and moving things around. I suspect the files aren't in the right place but I've spent hours overwriting files and creating symbolic links without any luck so far.

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fc3 x86_64 version with kernel 2.6.12. 64.bit ut2004 demo crashes seems to be gone. Played only hour but looking good. Some speed improvements can also be seen with my modified 9800SE AIW card.

I will give highest grading minus 10 percent. Anyway best driver package from ATI so far. I am missing recording capabilities of my AIW card. When I get them my w2k drive get format c: command.
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