Rage3D NVIDIA GeForce 7800GTX Review

Ratchet · Jul 25, 2005, 01:47 PM

I've published my review of NVIDIA's GeForce 7800GTX PCI-Express graphics card. That's right; an nVidia review on Rage3D. When you wake up from the shock of that, click here to read it.

While the battle between nVidia's 6-series and ATI's X-series was often bloody, brutal, and sometimes downright ugly, it reached a clear conclusion when nVidia launched the 7800GTX onto the battlefield. No more is it 6800 vs. X800, it's now 7800 vs. X800 and as you'll see in this review, that's a battle ATI has no chance to win.

Fotis · Jul 25, 2005, 02:05 PM

Rage3d turns to the dark side!

Yet another great review Ratchet!Well done

Would've been better with some HDR numbers though

Dave · Jul 25, 2005, 02:09 PM

great review. might want to check your cpu specs though:

: AMD Athlon XP 3500+, 2.2GHz Newcastle core

tristancarton · Jul 25, 2005, 02:09 PM

2048x1536 4AA 16AF benchmarks included!!!!

you rock ratchet!

Ratchet · Jul 25, 2005, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

great review. might want to check your cpu specs though:

: AMD Athlon XP 3500+, 2.2GHz Newcastle core

What's wrong with that?

Dave · Jul 25, 2005, 02:14 PM

should be athlon 64 3500+. no such thing as athlon xp 3500+

Fotis · Jul 25, 2005, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratchet

What's wrong with that?

Athlon 64 and not XP I think

Ratchet · Jul 25, 2005, 02:22 PM

omj I read that 5 times and I still dodn't notice... gah

SSXeon · Jul 25, 2005, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratchet

omj I read that 5 times and I still dodn't notice... gah

Great review! Best one ive read about the 7800GTX, anandtechs was good but damn man this is a good read. The tabs at the top to change settings is very nice

1600x1200 4aa/16af Farcry:
ATi: 56.9fps
NV: 59.2fps

Whoa both can play 2048 4xAA/16xAF HL2@60fps! thats unreal

SSXeon

wunderbar · Jul 25, 2005, 03:36 PM

nice work

DarkPretender · Jul 25, 2005, 04:11 PM

this review is obviously tainted

im kidding! Good work!

Anzak · Jul 25, 2005, 04:12 PM

Great review Ratchet. I really like how you used 16xAF instead of 8x which most reviewers use.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSXeon

1600x1200 4aa/16af Farcry:
ATi: 56.9fps
NV: 59.2fps

Yeah, I'm thinking bandwidth limited. Either that or pixel limited (only 16 rops). I'm pretty sure that in time the gap between the X850XT and the 7800GTX will grow. Drivers will mature and games that take advantage of the added shader power will be released.

Lucifa' · Jul 25, 2005, 04:16 PM

Great work Ratchet! But, this is blasphemy, hehe... you going to be an nVidiot from now on? Hehe =D.

Great review! But I must agree, HDR could have been included. But it sorta is, isn't it? In SC:CT with SM3.0 enabled, doesn't it have HDR?

Anyways, great read! I really like how you can easily change the view of one graph, instead of having pages on pages with graphs!

Can't wait for the R520 =D

tenndevil · Jul 25, 2005, 04:31 PM

Good job
Can't sit and wait for ATI to do something, completely understandable and appreciated.

SSXeon · Jul 25, 2005, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anzak

Great review Ratchet. I really like how you used 16xAF instead of 8x which most reviewers use.

Yeah, I'm thinking bandwidth limited. Either that or pixel limited (only 16 rops). I'm pretty sure that in time the gap between the X850XT and the 7800GTX will grow. Drivers will mature and games that take advantage of the added shader power will be released.

CPU limited and vertex limited. Thats why the X700pro beats out a 6600GT in higher rez, even in doom 3

SSXeon

Vengeance · Jul 25, 2005, 04:56 PM

SSXeon · Jul 25, 2005, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Clearly ATI wasn't ready for this new tactic. Their R520 wasn't ready to anywhere near that degree, and they obviously couldn't respond to a hard-launch with a paper-launch. So while ATI fights to finish the R520 and get a sufficient supply on hand for a hard-launch of their own, nVidia enjoys zero competition in an industry that thrives on marketing and mindshare.

We better hear something tommarow

It might just be crossfire launch

SSXeon

Ratchet · Jul 25, 2005, 05:16 PM

I only have the 7800GTX and a 6600GT on hand (no 6800 class cards) so I couldn't do any SM3.0 performance comparisons (such as HDR). If you guys want to see the 7800GTX with and without HDR or any other sort of "with/without" test then I can do it easy enough, but I have to send the card back soon.

SSXeon · Jul 25, 2005, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratchet

I only have the 7800GTX and a 6600GT on hand (no 6800 class cards) so I couldn't do any SM3.0 performance comparisons (such as HDR). If you guys want to see the 7800GTX with and without HDR or any other sort of "with/without" test then I can do it easy enough, but I have to send the card back soon.

do a 6600GT and 7800GTX HDR farcry score and pics

if its too much you dont have to

SSXeon

Gator · Jul 25, 2005, 06:03 PM

Excellent review Ratchet

Good work.

5150 Joker · Jul 25, 2005, 06:43 PM

I have a 7800 GTX myself but I don't think R3D should be doing nVidia hardware reviews - I just don't think it fits well within the scope of this site being called Rage3D and all. But whatever do what you want, just makes the site seem more generic to me like millions of others out there. Other than that, nice review.

flippin_waffles · Jul 25, 2005, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5150 Joker

I have a 7800 GTX myself but I don't think R3D should be doing nVidia hardware reviews - I just don't think it fits well within the scope of this site being called Rage3D and all. But whatever do what you want, just makes the site seem more generic to me like millions of others out there. Other than that, nice review.

I agree, and yet the sheer quality of that review makes up for it, nice.

ragster128 · Jul 25, 2005, 08:09 PM

I'm thinking about picking up a new graphics card, my Radeon 9800 Pro just doesn't cut it anymore and this review was VERY helpful. Not only was it helpful but it was also a great way to keep an eye on the competition

ben6 · Jul 25, 2005, 08:20 PM

great review, Ratchet. The new 77.76 drivers fixed a few issues I had with my 7800GTX and I don't miss my X800XT too much

. Hopefully ATI can release R520 to force NV to lower prices and I hope they have good competition with each other (I hate the fact of $600 cards MSRP period, and BFG are already talking about $1000 cards in interviews)

Ben

Ratchet · Jul 25, 2005, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5150 Joker

I have a 7800 GTX myself but I don't think R3D should be doing nVidia hardware reviews - I just don't think it fits well within the scope of this site being called Rage3D and all. But whatever do what you want, just makes the site seem more generic to me like millions of others out there. Other than that, nice review.

I knew someone would bring that up.

The fact is we are a fansite and always will be, we've never tried to hide that from anyone, but then I think it's better for us -as a fansite- to have an open view of the industry rather than have the blinders on at all times.

If there are people that want to bury their heads in the sand then that's fine, you don't need to read anything that you object to and you're entitled to your views and opinions just as much as I am, but finally getting the opportunity to check out nVidia hardware is great for us. I just hope that I can get more stuff in the future.

Personally I don't care who makes the hardware, all I care about is if it kicks ass or not.

Ratchet · Jul 25, 2005, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ben6

great review, Ratchet. The new 77.76 drivers fixed a few issues I had with my 7800GTX and I don't miss my X800XT too much

. Hopefully ATI can release R520 to force NV to lower prices and I hope they have good competition with each other (I hate the fact of $600 cards MSRP period, and BFG are already talking about $1000 cards in interviews)

Ben

Hey Ben, long time no talk.

I never had any issues with the 77.72s personally but I did hear there were some problems with them. Irregardles, I wanted to stick to the WHQLs for the review.

I agree about the pricing thing, it's getting pretty ridiculous (though not nearly as bad as CPUs... yet). I guess as long as there are enough people out there willing to pay that much for a top-end card then both NV and ATI will keep pricing them that high.

tenndevil · Jul 25, 2005, 09:03 PM

It may be a fan site but we know rage3d doesn't get any level of support from anyone specific unlike other sites. I don't see Rage3D brought to you by ATI anywhere on this site. It may be a fansite but I don't think i've ever seen where it was strictly ATI based. This was a review that needed to be done by someone, and since you guys now declared it an ATI fan site it lends a little more credence to the review itself.

Don't worry about the naysayers, this review needed to be done, you owe loyalty to neither. It's not your fault ATI hasn't released anything earth shattering to review yet, they will, the only question is when, no one but ATI knows for sure and it's a closely guarded secret apperantly.

I would rather see more reviews like this from an unexpected source rather than one that pledges allegiance to any single manufacturer.
It doesn't make the site more generic but it does make it seem well rounded

and besides Joker he won't take anyone away from nvnews.

DarkSithPro · Jul 25, 2005, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratchet

The fact is we are a fansite and always will be, we've never tried to hide that from anyone, but then I think it's better for us -as a fansite- to have an open view of the industry rather than have the blinders on at all times.

If there are people that want to bury their heads in the sand then that's fine

They can always go to Driverheaven if they feel that way

Nice review Ratchet!

ChrisRay · Jul 25, 2005, 09:28 PM

Ratchet, I like the way you did the IQ comparisons.

Chris

Ratchet · Jul 25, 2005, 11:02 PM

Thanks. I would have liked to use lossless PNGs but the filesizes would have been over 1MB each, too big for the site to handle.

I considered using cropped PNGs that just focused on the relevant parts of the image, but I felt that showing the entire screen was more important. It's not ideal, but those JPGs are fairly high quality (85 of 100 on the Photoshop scale) and they serve the purpose I think.

If I get serious complaints I can provide the uncompessed BMPs or PNG24s.

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Jul 25, 2005, 02:09 PM	#3
Dave Rage3D Veteran Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 10,634	great review. might want to check your cpu specs though: : AMD Athlon XP 3500+, 2.2GHz Newcastle core __________________

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Jul 25, 2005, 02:14 PM	#6
Dave Rage3D Veteran Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 10,634	should be athlon 64 3500+. no such thing as athlon xp 3500+ __________________

Jul 25, 2005, 02:22 PM	#8
Ratchet The Tool Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The Rock Posts: 10,415	omj I read that 5 times and I still dodn't notice... gah __________________ 7

Jul 25, 2005, 03:36 PM	#10
wunderbar Rage3D Veteran Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,309	nice work

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Jul 25, 2005, 04:11 PM	#11
DarkPretender Rage3D Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,518	this review is obviously tainted im kidding! Good work!

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Lucifa' Radeon HD 4850 Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 208	Great work Ratchet! But, this is blasphemy, hehe... you going to be an nVidiot from now on? Hehe =D. Great review! But I must agree, HDR could have been included. But it sorta is, isn't it? In SC:CT with SM3.0 enabled, doesn't it have HDR? Anyways, great read! I really like how you can easily change the view of one graph, instead of having pages on pages with graphs! Can't wait for the R520 =D __________________ Core™2 Quad Q6600 @ 3GHz\|Asus P5E64 WS Professional\|R680\|2GiB OCZ DDR3 PC3-12800 Platinum EB\|RaptorII (Windows 7 7100)\|WD Caviar SE16 500GiB\|MIST 1000W\|BOSE Companion 5

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Jul 25, 2005, 05:16 PM	#18
Ratchet The Tool Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The Rock Posts: 10,415	I only have the 7800GTX and a 6600GT on hand (no 6800 class cards) so I couldn't do any SM3.0 performance comparisons (such as HDR). If you guys want to see the 7800GTX with and without HDR or any other sort of "with/without" test then I can do it easy enough, but I have to send the card back soon. __________________ 7

Jul 25, 2005, 06:03 PM	#20
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Jul 25, 2005, 06:43 PM	#21
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Jul 25, 2005, 08:09 PM	#23
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Jul 25, 2005, 08:20 PM	#24
ben6 Radeon HD 4850 Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 290	great review, Ratchet. The new 77.76 drivers fixed a few issues I had with my 7800GTX and I don't miss my X800XT too much . Hopefully ATI can release R520 to force NV to lower prices and I hope they have good competition with each other (I hate the fact of $600 cards MSRP period, and BFG are already talking about $1000 cards in interviews) Ben

Jul 25, 2005, 09:03 PM	#27
tenndevil Radeon HD 4850 Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 295	It may be a fan site but we know rage3d doesn't get any level of support from anyone specific unlike other sites. I don't see Rage3D brought to you by ATI anywhere on this site. It may be a fansite but I don't think i've ever seen where it was strictly ATI based. This was a review that needed to be done by someone, and since you guys now declared it an ATI fan site it lends a little more credence to the review itself. Don't worry about the naysayers, this review needed to be done, you owe loyalty to neither. It's not your fault ATI hasn't released anything earth shattering to review yet, they will, the only question is when, no one but ATI knows for sure and it's a closely guarded secret apperantly. I would rather see more reviews like this from an unexpected source rather than one that pledges allegiance to any single manufacturer. It doesn't make the site more generic but it does make it seem well rounded and besides Joker he won't take anyone away from nvnews. Last edited by tenndevil : Jul 25, 2005 at 09:10 PM.

Jul 25, 2005, 09:28 PM	#29
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Jul 25, 2005, 11:02 PM	#30
Ratchet The Tool Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The Rock Posts: 10,415	Thanks. I would have liked to use lossless PNGs but the filesizes would have been over 1MB each, too big for the site to handle. I considered using cropped PNGs that just focused on the relevant parts of the image, but I felt that showing the entire screen was more important. It's not ideal, but those JPGs are fairly high quality (85 of 100 on the Photoshop scale) and they serve the purpose I think. If I get serious complaints I can provide the uncompessed BMPs or PNG24s. __________________ 7

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