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Old Jan 21, 2005, 07:50 PM   #1
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I am experiencing a random freeze with the ATI Fgl driver 8.8.25. Mouse is useable but nothing can be clicked on the screen. My keyboard is not responding. My machine can be accessed through SSH but there is no error in xfree or dmesg log. System cannot be rebooted.
Does this issue have been resolved by ATI? Or anyone has a workaround except switching back to Xfree or X.org Radeon driver?

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Old Jan 22, 2005, 11:56 AM   #2
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None of these threads have any real solution to your problem, but perhaps you should check them out and see if anything is familar.

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33800533
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33800265
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33800068
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Old Jan 22, 2005, 11:58 PM   #3
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Does ATI know about this issue? I read the FAQ, Release Notes, Installation Guide from ATI website, none of them mention about random freeze with their driver. If they do know this problem, ATI should be more honest with their release notes, describe to the end users all the known bugs. Although it might be few pages, at least we know they know the problem and working on them.

I read the other threads, tried all of them, none of them solve my problem. Sometimes it freeze after 1 week or it can be a couple of hours.
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Old Jan 23, 2005, 01:12 AM   #4
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I still get this freeze while scrolling through a page in Konqueror (Radeon 9000 Mobility). It happens on average every 2-3 days. This has been going on since 3.14.1 at the least, possibly since I first got this card at 3.11.

If I switch back to the open source driver it is gone.
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Old Jan 23, 2005, 03:53 PM   #5
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Does anyone know if this problem occur with 2.4 kernel? It seems this problem is not common for everybody who is using ATI Fgl driver. Do you think a hardware compatiblity issue?
Anyone who has similar problem please post your hardware spec.

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Old Jan 23, 2005, 04:04 PM   #6
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Hmm well there are some similarities to our hardware:
Gigabyte 8KNXP Intel 875p
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Dual Channel 2Gb DDR
Intel 2.4c HT enabled
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e88z4, have you had problems with the earlier ati-drivers?
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Old Jan 23, 2005, 07:36 PM   #7
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dragondestroyer, do you have this problem?
Yes, I have this problem with the earlier version.
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Old Jan 23, 2005, 08:28 PM   #8
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I have had this problem although apparently at least for now it has stopped. The only thing I have recently changed is Option "UseFastTLS" "2". I have also played around with the agplock option but that seems to have done nothing for the problem and creates new ones. As you say though the problem is random so following these suggestions may do you no good.
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Old Jan 23, 2005, 08:42 PM   #9
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will try your suggestion, my box has crashed 4 times today after running for 2 days without this annoying problem.

Our motherboard is almost the same and I am also using 160Gb SATA drive from Maxtor. This is exactly what I have
GA-8IK1100 (Rev 2.0) same chipset though (Intel 875P).

Did you ever try running ATI Fgl driver with 2.4 kernel? Does this occur?
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Old Jan 24, 2005, 09:11 AM   #10
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Yes I have run fglrx with a 2.4 kernel, but it has been a while. If I remember correctly it did occur, but it was possibly less frequent. You might want to try it just incase I am remembering wrong.
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Old Feb 19, 2005, 08:13 AM   #11
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dragondestroyer,
8.10.19 is released last week, does your random freeze disappear? Mine doesn't.
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Old Feb 19, 2005, 05:27 PM   #12
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No it hasn't disappeared. It seemed to be lessened, but I'm not completely sure as I stopped using them(the fglrx drivers) again.
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Quote:
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It seems this problem is not common for everybody who is using ATI Fgl driver. Do you think a hardware compatiblity issue?
I had the same random lockups (around every second day) with the Radeon Mobility FireGL 9000 and the fglrx driver > 3.9.0. (3.9.0 was allright).

Exactly as described: Mouse moveable, nothing clickable, ssh-into-able, no interesting log messages.
Most of the time, I was scrolling quite complicated web pages (e.g. forums!) in Mozilla, when these lockups occured.

The problem "went away" when using a Mobility Fire GL2 (Radeon 9600). Even with fglrx > 3.9.0.

So this would indeed suggest, it is hardware compatibility related...
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Interesting. You used the same config options and everything?
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Interesting. You used the same config options and everything?
Yes.

I never found a config option, which did make a difference for the random lockups. Not using internal/external AGP, no speed tweaks (FastWrite on/off, AGP speed reduced), etc.

The lockups vanished with the change of the underlying hardware (Mobility 9000->9600).
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Old Feb 21, 2005, 04:06 PM   #16
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Very interesting. I wonder if there is anything in common with the 9000 and 9500/9700s that is different than the 9600s. Or if any 9600 owners have had this problem?
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Old Feb 21, 2005, 05:34 PM   #17
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9500/9700 is R300, 9600 and 9800 is manufactured with the next generation chipset R350. As we know that R300 is no longer supported by ATI then they won't bother for fixing this problem only for their old product.

I installed an open source driver from r300 project and still have the same problem, random freeze with my machine (and off course another problems since they are still in the experimental stage).

I wonder if there is something buggy with this chipset?

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I have a 9200SE and I have the random freeze problem also. It is kind of annoying. So, if I were to buy a new ATI? card which one would offer the best support with the actual drivers.

My specs.
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Chipset Intel 865
Memory: 512 Mb
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I have a 9200SE and I have the random freeze problem also. It is kind of annoying. So, if I were to buy a new ATI? card which one would offer the best support with the actual drivers.
9200SE is well supported by DRI project, the open source driver is much more stable. Why do you need ATI driver? The performance is slow but I heard from people that it is stable. I am not sure either which card is well supported by their driver.

From the last 2 releases by ATI, it seems they are more focus on performance rather than stability issue. I am losing my heart to ATI for fixing this problem
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It may be useful to post relevent information here http://ati.cchtml.com/show_bug.cgi?id=102 so that we can try to track down the cause of the problem. I will do so when I have more time. Nyra if you could post any info about your 9000 there too it might be of use.
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9200SE is well supported by DRI project, the open source driver is much more stable. Why do you need ATI driver? The performance is slow but I heard from people that it is stable. I am not sure either which card is well supported by their driver.
From the last 2 releases by ATI, it seems they are more focus on performance rather than stability issue. I am losing my heart to ATI for fixing this problem
Thanks,

I will try the Open Source driver. I installed the open source driver in the laptop (I didn't have an option ATI doesn't provide 3D accel for the 9100IGP) and it seems to work alright.
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I've had random freezes with my Radeon 8500 and (at least) fglrx 8.8.25. I'm not sure about 8.10.19 as I've used mostly open-source radeon drivers lately.

When that happens, the mouse cursor still moves so the box is alive (I don't have a second computer so I can't try connecting to it with ssh, though), but nothing else seems to work. I haven't noticed anything in the kernel logs either. Usually it would happen while scrolling some text or a window (at least Opera, OpenOffice.org, something else I can't remember right now).

If I have time, I could try and test it more in the near future, but as others have pointed out, it appears to be quite random, so it's not very easy to test.

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Very interesting. I wonder if there is anything in common with the 9000 and 9500/9700s that is different than the 9600s. Or if any 9600 owners have had this problem?
So far we only hear people using the old chipset (R300, R200). None of R350+ owner is reporting this problem. I would like to hear from them if they are experiencing this problem.
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So far we only hear people using the old chipset (R300, R200). None of R350+ owner is reporting this problem. I would like to hear from them if they are experiencing this problem.
Exactly! This seems to be a R200/R250 problem. I've been reporting this anywhere I can think too. I'm not sure what is involved in getting ATi to write a fix, let alone acknowledge it as a known problem. Anybody reading this running an older mobility chip in their beta test program?
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I've been noticing the same thing. Anything less than or equal to R300 (don't forget about us moorewr ) has the problem. Its a long shot but has anyone submitted this bug to ATI?
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What I'm noticing is that we all have 875P chipsets. I have this problem also, and have had it for at least 4 driver revisions. My machine works flawlessly with kernel 2.6.8-gentoo-r7, but not at all with anything newer. I have a Saphire X800-XT/PE. Under any newer kernel, it locks up my machine completely after about 30 seconds of any GL app.

What I have tried:
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Added vmalloc=256m to grub.conf (fixed vmalloc error, still locks box)

Tried vesafb, vesafb-tng, radeonfb, and completely disabling fb. No difference. (It may be worthwhile to note that vesafb works fine in 2.6.8 also, but I cannot get a functionaly fbconsole with any fb driver in >2.6.8).

Tried adding this to grub.conf:
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video=vesafb:ywrap,mtrr,vtotal:256
This plus a script I made based on the mtrr thread fixes my mtrr problem, but does not help locking up problem.

I also have noticed that the results of lspci -v are not exactly right. Kernel does not see the video RAM on my card, but this happens in the working kernel also, so maybe it's no big deal.
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0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc R420 JP [Radeon X800XT] (prog-if 00 [VGA])
        Subsystem: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 0002
        Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 255, IRQ 16
        Memory at e0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable)
        I/O ports at a000 [size=256]
        Memory at f1000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
        Capabilities: [58] AGP version 3.0
        Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2

0000:01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc R420 [X800XT-PE] (Secondary)
        Subsystem: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 0003
        Flags: 66Mhz, medium devsel
        Memory at e8000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [disabled]
        Memory at f1010000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [disabled] [size=64K]
        Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2
Personally, I don't think this has anything to do with the fglrx driver. I think it's either the AGP or the fb code in the kernel. I don't have this problem in a 4X AGP/9600XT box, or on my laptop (4x, 9600 Pro).

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Use AntiFreeze. Usually comes in 2 litre bottles. Delute with water if neccesary! LMAo

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What I'm noticing is that we all have 875P chipsets. I have this problem also, and have had it for at least 4 driver revisions. My machine works flawlessly with kernel 2.6.8-gentoo-r7, but not at all with anything newer. I have a Saphire X800-XT/PE. Under any newer kernel, it locks up my machine completely after about 30 seconds of any GL app.
With newer kernel, yours only locks up under GL app, not X? Hmmm, I heard about this before somewhere, but couldn't remember
Does your X lock up have the same behaviour as I describe at the very begining of this thread (Mouse moveable, nothing can be click, and SSH works but you have to do hard reset to resume your box)?
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No. My machine completely locks up. No mouse, no network, nothing. I had the problem that you described in the previous driver, but it went away when I stopped using the gentoo patches, and went straight from the ATI rpm (under 2.6.8, before the pci irqrouting patch was needed).
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I had the problem that you described in the previous driver, but it went away when I stopped using the gentoo patches, and went straight from the ATI rpm (under 2.6.8, before the pci irqrouting patch was needed).
Flavio Stanchina Fglrx driver and XFree 4.3 debian unstable packages were run in my linux box. I compiled Xorg 6.8.2 and installed ATI RPM from their website last night. Let's see if running the unpatched X and straight ATI RPM will solve this problem. So far so good.
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