HL:Source compared to Original HL

TimothyB · Nov 17, 2004, 06:20 AM

First off, I noticed the sound seems to be much better, voices sound clearer.

The movement and mouse is much better in the newer version too.

Some decals, like cracks in walls, are rotated a different way in the new version.

Lighting is the biggest difference you'll see.

Some things like large pipes have more polys.

There are pixel water, but I didn't come across any yet, but it's there

Physics, some office chairs and barrels just slide, no physics yet.

Top is old
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Bottom is new

TimothyB · Nov 17, 2004, 06:21 AM

Drexion · Nov 17, 2004, 06:32 AM

Finally a well done screenshot comparison - thanks a bunch.

In all honesty it doesn't look that much different, since they didn't update the textures. As awesome as the engine may be, the textures being the same old ones stands out the most. ie, I can just play the good ol original hl1 and have myself a blast, instead of paying for the same game again.

FluxCap · Nov 17, 2004, 06:48 AM

Water definitely shows the greatest change. I wasn't happy that it didn't look much better but I appreciate the effort by Valve.

**nutcrackr** · Nov 17, 2004, 06:53 AM

Nice work

Since I got it for with silver I'll have to check it out.

**Trunks0** · Nov 17, 2004, 06:54 AM

Yup for sure standard HL1 models and NOT the BlueShift ones people where thinking it was going to have. Maybe an update will added it, but as is I'm not that impressed enough to spend the extra money to get it....but I geuss for those people that never played HL1 it cool

Shark · Nov 17, 2004, 09:25 AM

no big differences at all....it aint worth it.
they had enough time to make big changes like they did to CS:S

smallSHEEP · Nov 17, 2004, 09:48 AM

The ragdoll physics are really cool, all we need is a high res texture pack now.

GoldenNugget · Nov 17, 2004, 10:18 AM

hehe... I remember playing the HL1 map pack for the HL2 beta a while ago. Seems pretty much like the one now, except that it used HL2 ai (I think) and some HL2 models (not all of them) :P.

sidepocket · Nov 17, 2004, 10:23 AM

To tell you the truth, I'm not that impressed. I guess I was expecting a complete overhaul of HL1. Oh well. At least HL2 rocks!

ZeroDamage · Nov 17, 2004, 10:41 AM

The biggest difference I noticed is the lighting is much better.

Audi2Honda · Nov 17, 2004, 10:47 AM

it looks a lot lot better to me mainly the lighting.

Biggest thing I notice though is way less jaggies. Did you have AA on or is that everything has more polys?

I'll prolly play it through again on the hardest level..it's been a long time.

L.O.W. · Nov 17, 2004, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sidepocket

To tell you the truth, I'm not that impressed. I guess I was expecting a complete overhaul of HL1. Oh well. At least HL2 rocks!

Valve had already said it wouldn't be. It would be nice if they updated it to the Blue Shift textures and models. There are some noticeable differences there though. I was looking at the screen above where there is a section of pipe on the ground. In original HL it is a low poly pipe with a black end to simulate being hollow. On the source version the pipe has a bit more shape (i.e. higher poly) and it's actually hollowed.

c0mmand0b0y · Nov 17, 2004, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sidepocket

To tell you the truth, I'm not that impressed. I guess I was expecting a complete overhaul of HL1. Oh well. At least HL2 rocks!

yeah i was a little dissapointed also.

Ne0Griever · Nov 17, 2004, 11:32 AM

The original looks nicer IMO.

mmclure · Nov 17, 2004, 01:32 PM

I played a couple hours of HL:Source last night (I was going to just "see what it looks like" - honest

) and found one place where the new physics really make a difference - in the "jump across the hanging crates" puzzle the crates now swing when you land on them.

genci88 · Nov 17, 2004, 01:59 PM

Thanks for the detailed screnshot comparison.

Shame they didnt upgrade the characters.

TimothyB · Nov 17, 2004, 03:08 PM

The original HL shots didn't have AA because there was no option in the menu for it and I was too lazy to quit and manually turn it on in the drivers. The source shots had 4xAA

They were also resized from 1280*960

One thing I do have to say is it felt much better playing the Source version and polished. The sound was tons clearer, voices didn't have any crackles or anything. The movement was huge improvement. As soon as I loaded the original, I found myself accidently doing 180s trying to do a simple look to my left on the train with mouse sensitivity was 3. While source, it felt much better.

So if I had to choose which to play, I'd play source, and I'd probably would have skip it if I only had the original to play. They also already unlocked all the chapters for you. I never played more than half the game, so it looks like it gets really wild near the end.

Though, I might wait to see if someone mods better models and textures. But I was still impressed with the game overall. Like when I accidently turned on the alarm at the front desk, Are when you turn out the lights the scientest freak.

Oh, I also noticed something strange. After the accident, when you get to the first door that needs to be unlocked by a scientest, in the Source version he said he'd follow you, and actually went a little further through the room where the rays were shooting from the chamber into it. While in the original, he immediatly walked back to the other sciented after scanning his eyes.

KAC · Nov 21, 2004, 12:32 PM

Timothy thanx a bunch. And that sucked ass. Now only if you will post HL1 with Blue shift pack. That rocks more than this (talking about graphics only before you all want to kick me in the nuts).

Stoned Bob · Nov 21, 2004, 12:46 PM

not really a fair match if the source's ones have 4aa and the old one doesnt

KAC · Nov 21, 2004, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stoned Bob

not really a fair match if the source's ones have 4aa and the old one doesnt

The new HLS still looks like ass, so what's the point

Scott · Nov 21, 2004, 01:12 PM

Was Trueform enabled only through the Blueshift pack?? I want my Trueform! I've got it on app pref in CP but it's not showing up in the game. Did the game have to be running in OGL for Trueform? Can't remember.

Easiest way to see it was on Barney's helmet, really blocky without it.

***Lupine*** · Nov 21, 2004, 01:37 PM

Am I the only one who thinks that the HalfLife:Source should be a free upgrade for anyone who plunked down the cash for the original?

The differences I see aren't enough to justify investing more $$$ in an old product, but then I've always been a cheap SOB.

john2 · Nov 21, 2004, 03:22 PM

I was expecting the high-res models of Blue Shift...........why on earth Valve didn't use them?????Bad decision IMO

jccalhoun · Nov 21, 2004, 04:11 PM

There is something odd going on in regards to Blue Shift. It was never included in Steam and isn't compatable with it.

However, I certainly can see fans hacking HL:S so that it uses HL2 textures and models.

Liuke · Nov 21, 2004, 04:41 PM

Thanks for the comparison screenshots! I actually had no idea what HL: Source was all about until reading this thread. I assumed that it was a remake of HL using the new engine that would make it look as good as HL2 does now. Looks like I was wrong. The graphics barely look better than the original. It's good to see this though because I was pondering actually spending a bit more money to get it since I never played through all of the original. This is the kind of informative post that helps me decide to save my cash.

It does tempt me to go back and play w/ the engine upgrade on my Blue-Shift disc though!

Bitey · Nov 21, 2004, 09:38 PM

I think valve did not use the blue shift ones because they are a not a full set, If they used them then about half the textures in the game would be high rez and the rest would be the old lower rez ones and would look inconsistant...that is what I read on the stema forums anywaze(semi official)

sMashPiranha · Nov 21, 2004, 09:50 PM

All I was expecting from HL:S was the original Halflife levels, models, sounds etc ported to the source engine, which is exactly what I got. So I'm satisfied. Personally I think the Blue Shift models damage the original Halflife feel, I'm glad they didn't use them. Halflife is still a good game, pixel shaded water and ragdoll effects can only make it better.

necropimp · Nov 22, 2004, 01:47 AM

if you want to do a bunch of work for very small visual difference you could attempt to add normal maps to models

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movieman · Nov 22, 2004, 05:12 AM

Quote:

I was expecting the high-res models of Blue Shift...........why on earth Valve didn't use them?????Bad decision IMO

Wasn't Blue Shift developed by a different company? Valve probably don't have the rights to the models and textures.

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Nov 17, 2004, 06:32 AM	#3
Drexion Radeon Sea Islands Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 3,187	Finally a well done screenshot comparison - thanks a bunch. In all honesty it doesn't look that much different, since they didn't update the textures. As awesome as the engine may be, the textures being the same old ones stands out the most. ie, I can just play the good ol original hl1 and have myself a blast, instead of paying for the same game again. __________________ [Proc: Intel Core i7 [email protected]][GPU: MSI GTX980Ti 6GB][Mem: 64GB Crucial Ballistix Elite 2666-DDR4][Mobo: Asus X99-A][HD: Samsung 500GB SSD 840 EVO][PSU: EVGA SuperNova 850W G2][Audio: Yamaha RX-V673 7.2/JBL 7.2 Surround]

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Nov 17, 2004, 06:48 AM	#4
FluxCap G36C Land Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,464	Water definitely shows the greatest change. I wasn't happy that it didn't look much better but I appreciate the effort by Valve.

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nutcrackr OT Moderator Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: over the rainbow, way up high Posts: 15,621	Nice work Since I got it for with silver I'll have to check it out.

Nov 17, 2004, 06:54 AM	#6
Trunks0 Keeping an open mind Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada Posts: 19,087	Yup for sure standard HL1 models and NOT the BlueShift ones people where thinking it was going to have. Maybe an update will added it, but as is I'm not that impressed enough to spend the extra money to get it....but I geuss for those people that never played HL1 it cool __________________ -Trunks0 not speaking for all and if I am wrong I never said it. (plz note that is meant as a joke) System: Gigabyte Z87X D3H - Intel i5 4670k @ 4.2Ghz - CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Black RGB - 16Gb Kingston HyperX Black DDR3-1600 - Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD±RW - Samsung 850 Evo 250Gib - 4TiB Seagate - Asus Radeon R9 Fury STRIX - X-Fi XtremeMusic(darkside lives on) - Windows 10 64-bit Last edited by Trunks0 : Nov 17, 2004 at 07:00 AM.

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Nov 17, 2004, 09:25 AM	#7
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Nov 17, 2004, 03:08 PM	#18
TimothyB Radeon Sea Islands Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 3,200	The original HL shots didn't have AA because there was no option in the menu for it and I was too lazy to quit and manually turn it on in the drivers. The source shots had 4xAA They were also resized from 1280960 One thing I do have to say is it felt much better playing the Source version and polished. The sound was tons clearer, voices didn't have any crackles or anything. The movement was huge improvement. As soon as I loaded the original, I found myself accidently doing 180s trying to do a simple look to my left on the train with mouse sensitivity was 3. While source, it felt much better. So if I had to choose which to play, I'd play source, and I'd probably would have skip it if I only had the original to play. They also already unlocked all the chapters for you. I never played more than half the game, so it looks like it gets really wild near the end. Though, I might wait to see if someone mods better models and textures. But I was still impressed with the game overall. Like when I accidently turned on the alarm at the front desk, Are when you turn out the lights the scientest freak. Oh, I also noticed something strange. After the accident, when you get to the first door that needs to be unlocked by a scientest, in the Source version he said he'd follow you, and actually went a little further through the room where the rays were shooting from the chamber into it. While in the original, he immediatly walked back to the other sciented after scanning his eyes. __________________ Barton 2500+ (18511.5) 2127mhz Asus A7N8X Rev 2.0 1005bios 2x512mb Geil DDR3200 6-3-3-2 Dual Thermalright slk-800-u heatsink Antec True 430watt Leadtek 6800 128mb at 400/850 Compro Videomate TV/FM Gold Plus Maxtor IDE pci card, Audigy 1 HDs WD, 3x80gig, 60gig, 30gig http://www.toonguru.com/

Nov 21, 2004, 12:32 PM	#19
KAC That postcount though... Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lahore Posts: 57,138	Timothy thanx a bunch. And that sucked ass. Now only if you will post HL1 with Blue shift pack. That rocks more than this (talking about graphics only before you all want to kick me in the nuts).

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Nov 21, 2004, 12:46 PM	#20
Stoned Bob Radeon Volcanic Islands Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 3,781	not really a fair match if the source's ones have 4aa and the old one doesnt

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Nov 21, 2004, 03:22 PM	#24
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Nov 21, 2004, 04:11 PM	#25
jccalhoun Newbie Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 3	There is something odd going on in regards to Blue Shift. It was never included in Steam and isn't compatable with it. However, I certainly can see fans hacking HL:S so that it uses HL2 textures and models.

Nov 21, 2004, 04:41 PM	#26
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Nov 21, 2004, 09:38 PM	#27
Bitey Radeon Northern Islands Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In a Daze Posts: 2,083	I think valve did not use the blue shift ones because they are a not a full set, If they used them then about half the textures in the game would be high rez and the rest would be the old lower rez ones and would look inconsistant...that is what I read on the stema forums anywaze(semi official)

Nov 21, 2004, 09:50 PM	#28
sMashPiranha Radeon Volcanic Islands Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New Zealand Posts: 3,607	All I was expecting from HL:S was the original Halflife levels, models, sounds etc ported to the source engine, which is exactly what I got. So I'm satisfied. Personally I think the Blue Shift models damage the original Halflife feel, I'm glad they didn't use them. Halflife is still a good game, pixel shaded water and ragdoll effects can only make it better.

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Optical Drives	LG USB DVDRW
Power Supply	Zalman 600W
Case	Lian Li PC-60 & expansion kit
Input Devices	Warthog & rudder pedals, TrackIR 4
Operating System	Win10
Extra Info	Rift CV1