Catalyst 4.9 Beta Download! Doom 3 Performance Fix!

BmxBandit · Aug 3, 2004, 04:54 PM

http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/4547.html

Enjoy

TheFisherman · Aug 3, 2004, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BmxBandit

http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/4547.html

Enjoy

Enjoy?

How bout I just juiced my shorts.

datamage · Aug 3, 2004, 04:59 PM

Installing now. *Crosses fingers*

- D.

Ev!L-aLphA · Aug 3, 2004, 05:01 PM

Straight from driver heaven

I have been chatting with Terry Makedon in ATI asking him if you guys could have the 4.9 drivers that certain websites have been using to review Doom 3, and he has said they will be available sooner than you can imagine

ATI is providing an early version of CATALYST 4.9 to users interested in increasing performance of Doom 3.

The BETA display drivers found here are offered AS IS, without warranty of any kind, and have NOT been completely qualified by ATI. Usage of these drivers are without support of any kind, and you use them at your own risk.

ATI does NOT recommend installing these drivers in systems used for mission critical operations or where productivity of any kind is a concern.

Unless you are very comfortable with installing and un-installing drivers, we DO NOT recommend that you use the drivers provided here. These BETA Drivers are NOT SUPPORTED by ATI Customer Care or any other ATI department.

I asked Terry if these drivers will support instancing on farcry 1.2 (or higher patch), and he said yes, these drivers also provide early support for instancing.

TB303 · Aug 3, 2004, 05:05 PM

Cool, do I need to use the driver cleaner or just install them?

MonarchX · Aug 3, 2004, 05:35 PM

The performance different with my 9800 XT from 4.8 beta to 4.9 beta is 0%!

Maybe 4.8 beta already contained much better OpenGL driver that is used in 4.9 beta...

Or maybe its for X800 series only!

tristancarton · Aug 3, 2004, 05:41 PM

Confirmed performance diff between 4.8 beta and 4.9 beta negligible. (radeon 9800 pro 1024x768 0 aa 16 af on doom3)

ATI I'm liking this aggressive move.(even though performance in doom3 is same as 4.8 beta)

KingRoLo · Aug 3, 2004, 05:42 PM

some comparisions would be nice

Bloodsent · Aug 3, 2004, 05:43 PM

File says it is a HOTFIX. This a full driver/control panel replacement, meaning run the uninstaller, or just an "over the top" install?

Crawdaddy79 · Aug 3, 2004, 05:44 PM

This is my own timedemo. It included the cutscene where the Pinky first appears, I kill it, and an Imp appears.. throws two fireballs and I kill it.

Settings are on High, 1024 x 768.. everything except V-Sync on.

The results are the second run of the demo.

4.4 w/No AA
35.8

4.4 w/4xAA
24.8

4.9 w/No AA
32.3

4.9 w/4xAA
22.6

As you can see, the 4.9s give no performance increase over what I was using prior to it.. the 4.4s.

I would not be surprised if the 4.9s are meant for the X800 series of cards.

I will be posting this in every Cat 4.9 thread in Rage3D.

Runner3001 · Aug 3, 2004, 05:49 PM

Confirming 4.8 betas -> 4.9 hotfix gives negligable performance increase. 4.7 -> 4.8 gave 2-3 fps at every resolution, these 4.9's do not lose any ground in that regard. So anyone running the 4.7's would probably be pleased if they updated.

JadeDragon · Aug 3, 2004, 05:57 PM

Quick Benchmark test using 3DMark2001SE!!

Setup:
* AMD FX-51 (See Sig)
* FX Over Clocking turn-off.
* 9800 Pro.
* Normal 3DMark2001 SE settings.

Official Cat-Driver 4.7

Beta Cat-Driver 4.8

Beta Cat-Driver 4.9

Once (again) nice jump in score............

Thank you ATI team

**Pr()ZaC** · Aug 3, 2004, 05:59 PM

I'd like to see the performance improvement on newer hardware.
Let the benchmarks begin!

5150 Joker · Aug 3, 2004, 05:59 PM

Ok I just tested these drivers on my x800 VIVO@xt-pe:

Game Config
Ultra High Quality
Vsync Off
1280x1024 resolution
TIMEDEMO 1

Catalyst 4.8b Results
FPS: 60.2

Catalysts 4.9b Results
FPS 66.3

Definitely a very nice increase for x800 series cards, thanks ATi! Hopefully they can continue to crank up the OGL performance through drivers for all ATi cards.

Ryan45 · Aug 3, 2004, 06:01 PM

Is this worth trying with my 9800??? I am using 4.7's now.

JadeDragon · Aug 3, 2004, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan45

Is this worth trying with my 9800??? I am using 4.7's now.

Yes

Bloodsent · Aug 3, 2004, 06:03 PM

With my 9800Pro I saw a 3fps increase at 1024x768 in High Quality in the timedemo. Went from 39.0 to 41.9

dresuk · Aug 3, 2004, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawdaddy79

This is my own timedemo. It included the cutscene where the Pinky first appears, I kill it, and an Imp appears.. throws two fireballs and I kill it.

Settings are on High, 1024 x 768.. everything except V-Sync on.

The results are the second run of the demo.

4.4 w/No AA
35.8

4.4 w/4xAA
24.8

4.9 w/No AA
32.3

4.9 w/4xAA
22.6

As you can see, the 4.9s give no performance increase over what I was using prior to it.. the 4.4s.

I would not be surprised if the 4.9s are meant for the X800 series of cards.

I will be posting this in every Cat 4.9 thread in Rage3D.

Running a quick benchmark supports you suggestion that these are intended for R420 cores. My R360 core has shown the exact same results as with the betas 4.8.

Looks like R360 is being left behind already

Dem2k · Aug 3, 2004, 06:04 PM

Doom3 for me has remained around the same but still playable on my rig at 1280x1024. on High Detail. But CoD seems to run nicer but it never did run anything but nice on this rig.

Just inpatiently waiting for my x800xt to arive.

**Pr()ZaC** · Aug 3, 2004, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5150 Joker

Catalyst 4.8b Results
FPS: 60.2

Catalysts 4.9b Results
FPS 66.3

And some people said there was no performance improvement in D3 between Cats 4.8b and 4.9

Thanks!

Ryan45 · Aug 3, 2004, 06:06 PM

Awesome downloading now!!!!!

area2000 · Aug 3, 2004, 06:08 PM

seems only for X800+ Cards?? WTF??

Thats not nice....

sireric · Aug 3, 2004, 06:08 PM

I posted this in DH, but want to re-state it here:

The Catalyst 4.9 beta drivers are a sneak peak into future drivers that ATI is continuously working on. They were released mainly for the OpenGL component update, targeting improved Doom3 performance. Having said that, newer generations of hardware will get the most benefit from this driver (X800* series). While I haven't done specific benchmarks, X800 users can see performance increase of 5~30%, depending on the level and the system/hardware type. Regretfully, older hardware, such as 9700's and even 9800's will not get as much benefit. And if paired with a slower system (or with less memory) might see +/- performance improvements.

We are working very hard to get future drivers out that will add quite a bit to the performance of these.

Remember that these are Beta drivers, and so are unsupported. If you want stability and good speed, please stick with the release drivers. Cat 4.8 has not been skipped, and should arrive soon.

Thanks

**Pr()ZaC** · Aug 3, 2004, 06:10 PM

Thanks sireric

What about other games, guys?

tiredguy · Aug 3, 2004, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dresuk

Running a quick benchmark supports you suggestion that these are intended for R420 cores. My R360 core has shown the exact same results as with the betas 4.8.

Looks like R360 is being left behind already

I'd say it is more about losing potential sales of their newest series of cards while the Nvidia cards kick ass in Doom 3, and worrying about the cards that they brought to the table recently which are ultimately their flagship products.

If you have a new model of anything, it has to look good in the face of the competition or people move to the competition - last years model takes a back seat until the current model looks good.

bhz9294 · Aug 3, 2004, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JadeDragon

Once (again) nice jump in score............

Thank you ATI team

You do realize that a 125 point difference can occur using the same drivers, just just running the benchmark over again?

tempnexus · Aug 3, 2004, 06:13 PM

Ok here is quick and dirty
1024x768, 2AA 4AF HIGH
1Gb of RAM
A64 2320Mhz
radeon 9800 PRO at 405/355

TIME DEMO1
3.7's
32.1 1st run
36.2 2nd run

3.9's

33.3 1st run
38.0 2nd run

Yellowpez · Aug 3, 2004, 06:13 PM

You guys think that it would be feasible to just take the opengl driver out of the 4.9's and replace the one installed with the 4.7's?

As i would really like a Doom 3 increase but i don't wanna start having to tinker with all my other games that run perfectly. All of them being Direct 3D games btw.

Besides...i figure this since this is what i had to do for KOTR to run right.

Anyone?

krolg · Aug 3, 2004, 06:14 PM

4.9 betas are worth trying, I got about 10 fps increase for my x800pro@XT but MORE IMPORTANT a got almost rid away of those annoying 1sec lock-ups while opening a door, shooting for the first time...It is extremly visible when benching with the timedemo command. It took me five times with catalyst 4.7, before the demo finally stopped heavily accessing my harddrive (and so badly dropping the framerate). Now the second timedemo run is completly smooth. (A64 3400+ but "only" 512 memory). So I strongly reccomend to try for anyone who has less than 1 GB memory.

Jedi2099 · Aug 3, 2004, 06:15 PM

Here are my Results for demo1 after several runs of tweaking:

XP 2200, 9700 Pro, 512 Ram
800x600 - Med

Cat 4.7 Tripple Buffer-OFF: 35.5
Cat 4.9 Tripple Buffer-ON: 40.1

Roughly gained 2 FPS for 4.9 and 3 for TB

N between the test runs...

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Aug 3, 2004, 05:35 PM	#6
MonarchX Rage3D Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,431	The performance different with my 9800 XT from 4.8 beta to 4.9 beta is 0%! Maybe 4.8 beta already contained much better OpenGL driver that is used in 4.9 beta... Or maybe its for X800 series only! __________________ System Specs

Aug 3, 2004, 05:41 PM	#7
tristancarton Rage3D Veteran Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,221	Confirmed performance diff between 4.8 beta and 4.9 beta negligible. (radeon 9800 pro 1024x768 0 aa 16 af on doom3) ATI I'm liking this aggressive move.(even though performance in doom3 is same as 4.8 beta) __________________ Primary: dfi ut250gb / a64 mobile 3400 62w clawhammer / 3x512mb pdp xbl tccd / WD 120Gb 7200 8Mb x2, RAID0 / 250Gb WD 7200 8Mb external / Sound Blaster 2 ZS Plat. / HDTV Wonder / 2xTheater 550 pro / Pioneer dvr105 / Pioneer dvd115 / Visiontek x800xt / Antec 550w Truepower / Logitech z680 / IBM p260 21" FD Trinitron x2 / Windows XP-MCE2005, Legal Version Secondary: dell xps m170 / 2.0 Ghz pentium-m / 1024mb / 120Gb 5400rpm / 7800 gtx go / 1920x1200 trubrite

Aug 3, 2004, 05:42 PM	#8
KingRoLo Riddin Spinnaz Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: London Posts: 10,306	some comparisions would be nice __________________ Q6600 @ 3.0Ghz \| ASUS P5K \| Club3D 8800GTS 512 \| 4Gb Crucial Ballistix 8500 \| 2 x WD5000AAKS \| Audigy 2 ZS \| 2x NEC Optiarc DVD RW \| Thermaltake Tsunami Dream Case \| Tagan PSU

Aug 3, 2004, 05:44 PM	#10
Crawdaddy79 Radeon 8500 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 14,507	This is my own timedemo. It included the cutscene where the Pinky first appears, I kill it, and an Imp appears.. throws two fireballs and I kill it. Settings are on High, 1024 x 768.. everything except V-Sync on. The results are the second run of the demo. 4.4 w/No AA 35.8 4.4 w/4xAA 24.8 4.9 w/No AA 32.3 4.9 w/4xAA 22.6 As you can see, the 4.9s give no performance increase over what I was using prior to it.. the 4.4s. I would not be surprised if the 4.9s are meant for the X800 series of cards. I will be posting this in every Cat 4.9 thread in Rage3D. __________________ "Look. I am a pro-growth, free-market guy. I love the market." - Barack Obama

Aug 3, 2004, 04:59 PM	#3
datamage Radeon HD 4850 Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 325	Installing now. Crosses fingers - D.

Aug 3, 2004, 05:05 PM	#5
TB303 Radeon HD 4850 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Location, Location... Posts: 302	Cool, do I need to use the driver cleaner or just install them?

Aug 3, 2004, 05:43 PM	#9
Bloodsent Radeon HD 4550 Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 35	File says it is a HOTFIX. This a full driver/control panel replacement, meaning run the uninstaller, or just an "over the top" install?

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Aug 3, 2004, 05:49 PM	#11
Runner3001 Bitter Canuck. Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 353	Confirming 4.8 betas -> 4.9 hotfix gives negligable performance increase. 4.7 -> 4.8 gave 2-3 fps at every resolution, these 4.9's do not lose any ground in that regard. So anyone running the 4.7's would probably be pleased if they updated. __________________ \| AMD64 X2 3800+ @ 2.7ghz \| Asus A8N-SLI \| OCZ 2048MB PC4000 \| 7800GT SLI \| 2x200gb Maxtor DMP10 RAID0 \| 200gb WD SE \| 120gb WD SE \| Doggus, w00f. Last edited by Runner3001 : Aug 3, 2004 at 05:53 PM.

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JadeDragon The World... Join Date: May 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,899	Quick Benchmark test using 3DMark2001SE!! Setup: * AMD FX-51 (See Sig) * FX Over Clocking turn-off. * 9800 Pro. * Normal 3DMark2001 SE settings. Official Cat-Driver 4.7 Beta Cat-Driver 4.8 Beta Cat-Driver 4.9 Once (again) nice jump in score............ Thank you ATI team __________________ Last edited by JadeDragon : Aug 3, 2004 at 06:04 PM.

Aug 3, 2004, 05:59 PM	#14
5150 Joker nVidiot Police Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Davis, California Posts: 2,757	Ok I just tested these drivers on my x800 VIVO@xt-pe: Game Config Ultra High Quality Vsync Off 1280x1024 resolution TIMEDEMO 1 Catalyst 4.8b Results FPS: 60.2 Catalysts 4.9b Results FPS 66.3 Definitely a very nice increase for x800 series cards, thanks ATi! Hopefully they can continue to crank up the OGL performance through drivers for all ATi cards. __________________ CLICK FOR MY HEATWARE! Taking out the nVidiots one at a time with style! <--Click for animated pic Desktop: DFI LANPARTY nF4 SLI-DR \| AMD 64 X2 4400+@2.6 GHz (1.5v)\| ATi X1900 XTX (710/820) \| 2 GB Crucial PC3200 \| 2x120 GB 8mb WD \| Dell 2005FPW 20" LCD \| Antec "TrueControl" v2 550w PSU \| Lian Li PC75 modded case with H20 Cooling Laptop: XPS M1710 \| LG WUXGA LCD \| Core 2 Duo 2.0 GHz CPU \| nVidia 7900 Go GTX \| 2 GB DDR2 667 mhz \| 100GB 7200RPM HD \| 8x DVD-RW/CD-RW\| Intel Wireless a/g \| Windows XP Media Center \| 3 Yr Warranty

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Ryan45 Rage3D Veteran Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,987	Is this worth trying with my 9800??? I am using 4.7's now. __________________ "I just sent you a neg-rep via U.S. Post. Expect it within three to seven days."

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Bloodsent Radeon HD 4550 Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 35	With my 9800Pro I saw a 3fps increase at 1024x768 in High Quality in the timedemo. Went from 39.0 to 41.9

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Aug 3, 2004, 06:06 PM	#21
Ryan45 Rage3D Veteran Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,987	Awesome downloading now!!!!! __________________ "I just sent you a neg-rep via U.S. Post. Expect it within three to seven days."

Aug 3, 2004, 06:08 PM	#22
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Aug 3, 2004, 06:08 PM	#23
sireric ATI Guru Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bay Area, CA. Posts: 1,923	Cat 4.9 Beta drivers I posted this in DH, but want to re-state it here: The Catalyst 4.9 beta drivers are a sneak peak into future drivers that ATI is continuously working on. They were released mainly for the OpenGL component update, targeting improved Doom3 performance. Having said that, newer generations of hardware will get the most benefit from this driver (X800* series). While I haven't done specific benchmarks, X800 users can see performance increase of 5~30%, depending on the level and the system/hardware type. Regretfully, older hardware, such as 9700's and even 9800's will not get as much benefit. And if paired with a slower system (or with less memory) might see +/- performance improvements. We are working very hard to get future drivers out that will add quite a bit to the performance of these. Remember that these are Beta drivers, and so are unsupported. If you want stability and good speed, please stick with the release drivers. Cat 4.8 has not been skipped, and should arrive soon. Thanks Last edited by sireric : Aug 3, 2004 at 06:11 PM.

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Aug 3, 2004, 06:13 PM	#27
tempnexus Chronic Repostinator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Terran Faction, Earth Sector Posts: 5,945	Ok here is quick and dirty 1024x768, 2AA 4AF HIGH 1Gb of RAM A64 2320Mhz radeon 9800 PRO at 405/355 TIME DEMO1 3.7's 32.1 1st run 36.2 2nd run 3.9's 33.3 1st run 38.0 2nd run __________________ Athlon 2200+ @ (~1981) 47C/35C (idle) GA-7VAXP (0-4 RAID 100G WD Special ED) / AX-7 w/ 4500RPM 50cfm Fan / Mushkin 512MB DDR-2700 / Radeon R200 285/285 / Lite-On 48X CDRW & Lite-on 16X DVD / C-media sound (6spk) (sold the audigy crap) / Firewire/USB 2 (preferr firewire) "You need to delete your video card and format your modem, and install AOL on your motherboard" "Windows is a 32-bit extensions to a 16-bit graphical shell for an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor by a 2-bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition " www.DJSystemIntegrators.com" NOT FOLDING due to lack of $$$!! Folding costs you about $25 a month. http://www.danasoft.com/vipersig.jpg

Aug 3, 2004, 06:13 PM	#28
Yellowpez Radeon HD 4350 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 21	You guys think that it would be feasible to just take the opengl driver out of the 4.9's and replace the one installed with the 4.7's? As i would really like a Doom 3 increase but i don't wanna start having to tinker with all my other games that run perfectly. All of them being Direct 3D games btw. Besides...i figure this since this is what i had to do for KOTR to run right. Anyone?

Aug 3, 2004, 06:14 PM	#29
krolg Radeon HD 4830 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 189	4.9 betas are worth trying, I got about 10 fps increase for my x800pro@XT but MORE IMPORTANT a got almost rid away of those annoying 1sec lock-ups while opening a door, shooting for the first time...It is extremly visible when benching with the timedemo command. It took me five times with catalyst 4.7, before the demo finally stopped heavily accessing my harddrive (and so badly dropping the framerate). Now the second timedemo run is completly smooth. (A64 3400+ but "only" 512 memory). So I strongly reccomend to try for anyone who has less than 1 GB memory. __________________ System: Asus P5B Deluxe E6400@3480 MHz Noctua NH-U12 with Scythe 800rpm fan 2048MB Corsair DDR2 800 CL4 Sapphire X1800GTO2 @ 700/800 Creative X-FI Enermax 620W power supply

Aug 3, 2004, 06:15 PM	#30
Jedi2099 Newbie Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1	Here are my Results for demo1 after several runs of tweaking: XP 2200, 9700 Pro, 512 Ram 800x600 - Med Cat 4.7 Tripple Buffer-OFF: 35.5 Cat 4.9 Tripple Buffer-ON: 40.1 Roughly gained 2 FPS for 4.9 and 3 for TBN between the test runs... Last edited by Jedi2099 : Aug 3, 2004 at 06:19 PM.

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