DVD-Playback ****ed up since 4.6!!!

[PlanDreaM]

no probs on radeon 9600 pro and 9500 with 4.7 4.8 4.9b
9500 on both xp and 2000
9600 pro tested only in 2000

[emphy]

The new 4.9's fixed my trouble; I heartily recommend them.

[ojete]

I think there's two different issues on this post. I have a Mobility Radeon 9700 256mb that hasn't worked right with DVD movies since the Catalyst 4.5/Omega 2.5.44 driver.

To answer your question, I used Patje's Mobility Modder and modded the new Catalyst 4.9's. I did not have any luck with the 4.9's and watching DVD's. You're right, it's about 2fps when you watch DVD's. I tried the whole overlay fix and tried about several software DVD players, including ATI's own DVD player...with no luck. I hate to think that mobility radeon users will be stuck using Catalyst 4.5's for the life of their machines because ATI doesn't support mobility drivers....they leave it to the manufacturer of the notebook to deal with this problem.

For the record, my desktop's Radeon 9700 PRO is running beautifully with the new Catalyst 4.9 driver. I have NEVER experienced any DVD or Video playback issues. I even tried cranking up the refresh rate to 100 to purposely induce the problem.....nothing ever happened. It runs great. I wish I could say the same for my Mobility 9700.

[Someonefromhell]

Originally Posted by Gold

Same here all drivers after 4.5 screw up video play.


Overlays do not work.

So for divx, xvid video files you have to disable overlays when playing to view normally. Else the video is 2 fps.

For DVD's there is no fix, the video is at 2 fps.


Using Cat 4.5 fixes this symptom.


P4 3.2 Ghz
800 FSB
512 Ram
MR 9600 Pro


EDIT:// Are you sure the 4.9's fix this?

They didn't fix it over here :/

[ojete]

I have sent ATI driver feedback with information on this issue many times. I have also asked my notebook manufacturer, Hypersonic to contact ATI as well to come up with a solution....nothing is being done by ATI. For the record, I know personally that Hypersonic, VoodooPC, Falcon NorthWest, and Sager notebooks are all aware of this problem. I wish somebody would find a solution so that we can use the latest driver releases without sacrificing our DVD playback.

[Frogger0815x]

Originally Posted by Gold

... Well as far as I know this is a notebook only problem. ...

for me it is NOT a notebook problem - I have this issue with a "normal" desktop pc and a Hercules AiW 9800 SE - Built by Ati

and the problem is still not fixed with 4.9 only the workaround with Media Player Classic or disabling overlays in Media Player 10 helps a bit - but as also mentioned in this thread - I can not use a lot of different other apps (Nero Vision Express for example or a few new games I have bought cause they are trying to display overlay videos and I have no option to disable this for such kind of apps)

[spyre]

Have you tried downloading and installing any of the various codec packs as a workaround ?

Try the Mega or Ace codec packs etc

Its at least worth a go

[spyre]

The way to get it resolved is by reporting it to ATI and the laptop makers

This thread could be the size of a rather large armadillo when printed out and it wouldnt help

They ATI may stay to take it up with the makers of the laptops as they dont provide direct support since they arent allowed to by the laptop makers

[ojete]

I have reported the problem to ATI via driver feedback numerous times. I have also reported the problem to Hypersonic and I am in contact with a senior technician. Hypersonic, being the manufacturer provides support. In this case, Hypersonic can't do a thing besides tell me that they are aware of the problem and that they too have informed ATI about it. I know both customers and manufacturers have made ATI aware of the DVD playback issue with new mobility drivers. In this case, it seems like ATI has been aware of this for a while and is not doing anything to correct this issue. There have been atleast four new driver releases since this problem first started. The problem is even mentioned in the Omega drivers "read me" file. How many driver releases does it take before ATI decides to correct this issue?

[Psynex]

I have also narrowed this down to a Catalyst driver problem from a vanilla install of XP with SP1. Also tested it with the directX 9.0b AND 9.0c. Any driver beyond 4.5 causes the issue, including 4.9 on my machine.

I have sent a message to ATI driver feedback, but never hear anything back other then the generic auto-reply.

I'm not sure why, but Catalyst version 4.5 doesn't suffer this problem, so I've been using them. However, I would really like to use the newer drivers for better game performance.

I read all 3 pages of this thread hoping I'd find an answer, but sadly no. I'm going to give the media player classic workaround a try.

I'm very shocked that there are so many inconsistencies in hardware configurations with this problem too. I read a suggestion in here that it was only "powered by ATi users" or mobility users, but I have a built-by-ATi R9800Pro 128 and am suffering the problems.

THIS SUCKS HARDCORE!!!

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System specs:
Pentium 4 2.4GHz 800 FBS
Mach Speed X-Caliber PT800DBP
VIA PT800 Chipset - VIA 8237 South Bridge
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128Mb
Windows XP Pro SP1

[Psynex]

Gold: On page two of this thread a user by the name of someonefromhell posted this: "Do a google search for media player classic, download it, select VMR9 for dshow video output and try to play any file on it. It will probably be a bit slower than the old way but it should work. That's the only workaround I've found so far."

That's the "workaround" I mentioned. But I overlooked just turning off overlays. I'm going to give that a shot first.

I doubt that the 800FSB has anything to do with the issue, but out of curiousity, try disabling Hyperthreading and see what happens.

*EDIT*
Sweet! Turning off overlay in WMP 9 worked like a charm. I can now watch all my video footage again, and I'm using catalyst 4.9! I'm not sure how this is affecting my DVD playback because I don't normally watch DVDs on my PC.

Can someone explain overlays and all the other advanced hardware acceleration settings inside WMP? The help file just says that there are advanced settings, it doesn't actually say what they're for.

[ojete]

Radeon Mobility 9700 users...I found this information in Omega's "read me" file for his 2.5.76 driver version (Catalyst 4.9). Omega has this to say regarding the problem that is affecting so many mobility users:

"Known bugs:
* Laptop video playback problem still here, see notes.
* Hibernation and Standby are not working properly, I'm working on a fix.

**************
Important Notes:

1. Mobility users beware, these drivers don't support overlay video acceleration on
some chipsets, specially in Sager notebooks with 9600 and 9700 Mobility cards. Other
cards may be affected, but I haven't confirmed the bug on them. The last driver set
that doesn't have this problem are my 2.5.44 drivers. Sorry for any inconveniences,
I'm working on a fix for this matter, but all my tests show that this is an ATI
related bug in the drivers and it doesn't have to do with any of the settings on
my drivers."

That is what Omega has to say on the issue. Pay close attention to the part that says, "this is an ATI related bug in the drivers."

[LOOie]

just reporting..

my problem's been fixed (or so it seems) since I removed my TV capture card and now not one lockup since with using overlays in DVD playback and MPC or powerdvd. I guess it makes sense considering just about all capture cards use overlays. The device was disabled in the windows device manager but it still conflicts, i had to physically remove the card.

hmm.. it was working perfectly up to cat4.5. grrrrrr... looks like no more video capture on my PC till ATI fixes this stupid bug (or more likely.. I give up and dump ATI and get a Nvidia 6800GT)

can people please confirm this.. everyone here with the desktop card problems have capture cards as well?





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my setup:
AMD2500XP
ASUS A7N8X
1GB RAM
geXcube 9800XT 256MB
WinXPPro
SATA Raid

[Someonefromhell]

Originally Posted by LOOie

just reporting..

my problem's been fixed (or so it seems) since I removed my TV capture card and now not one lockup since with using overlays in DVD playback and MPC or powerdvd. I guess it makes sense considering just about all capture cards use overlays. The device was disabled in the windows device manager but it still conflicts, i had to physically remove the card.

hmm.. it was working perfectly up to cat4.5. grrrrrr... looks like no more video capture on my PC till ATI fixes this stupid bug (or more likely.. I give up and dump ATI and get a Nvidia 6800GT)

can people please confirm this.. everyone here with the desktop card problems have capture cards as well?





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my setup:
AMD2500XP
ASUS A7N8X
1GB RAM
geXcube 9800XT 256MB
WinXPPro
SATA Raid

I do. Will check it in a bit.

EDIT: Removed the drivers from device manager, physically removed the card, rebooted, enabled overlays, crashed :X

[LOOie]

Originally Posted by Someonefromhell

I do. Will check it in a bit.

EDIT: Removed the drivers from device manager, physically removed the card, rebooted, enabled overlays, crashed :X

ergghh... sorry to hear that, ah well. well it worked for me, anyway.

[PlanDreaM]

try to use some updated drivers for your tv tuner.i had an old hauppage one and didnt have this problem.

[reholli]

Originally Posted by LOOie

just reporting..

my problem's been fixed (or so it seems) since I removed my TV capture card and now not one lockup since with using overlays in DVD playback and MPC or powerdvd. I guess it makes sense considering just about all capture cards use overlays. The device was disabled in the windows device manager but it still conflicts, i had to physically remove the card.

hmm.. it was working perfectly up to cat4.5. grrrrrr... looks like no more video capture on my PC till ATI fixes this stupid bug (or more likely.. I give up and dump ATI and get a Nvidia 6800GT)

can people please confirm this.. everyone here with the desktop card problems have capture cards as well?





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my setup:
AMD2500XP
ASUS A7N8X
1GB RAM
geXcube 9800XT 256MB
WinXPPro
SATA Raid

I have an ATI TV Wonder PCI Tuner/Capture card along with a BBA Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB video card. I have never had a video/DVD playback problem of any kind with any version of Catalyst drivers, except for an issue with an earlier version of WinDVD and a couple of Catalyst releases (don't remember which)...with that issue, WinDVD would lock up...PowerDVD was fine. I never found out if it was Intervideo's or ATI's issue.

I currently use WinDVD6, PowerDVD5, WinDVR3, and WMP10, all without problems. I don't use ATI's Multimedia Center software.

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Shuttle AN35N/Ultra nForce2 Motherboard
Athlon Barton XP 2500+ @ 11x200 (XP 3200+)
1 GB PC3200 DDR RAM @ 3-3-3-7
Soundblaster Audigy
etc., etc.

[LOOie]

yep, sure seems that way..

Originally Posted by PlanDreaM

try to use some updated drivers for your tv tuner.i had an old hauppage one and didnt have this problem.

erghh.. i had a fresh install of WinXP/SP2. i never got around to installing drivers for the tvcard. i had the yellow "please install driver" thing in the device manager for months. disabling made no difference... fact remains, everything was OK with cat45's regardless.

[spyre]

Noticed this in Omega's readme for latest drivers ... should be important for laptop users having this problem

1. Well, at last, the fix for the dreaded overlay video bug has been found. The cause IS NOT
the ATI drivers or any of my settings, the cause is a hardware bug, more specifically a
BIOS bug. In the testing, two people already updated their Sager notebooks with a new BIOS
provided by Sager and the video problem is GONE! So I encourage you to go to your
manufacturer's web page and see if a new bios update has been issued for your laptop, and
if not, e-mail the manufacturer so they can rush out a fix for this.

[Frogger0815x]

as it seems to be a card bios bug .

since i have a Hercules Prophet AiW 9800 SE and Hercules is no more in graphics business so I can not expect an update bios from them

is there an unified ATI (updated) bios for the AiW 9800 SE or can I use another AiW 9800 SE bios from a different company (hercules card is "Built by ATI")

please do not recommend flashing to 9800 pro as I have already checked the software "hack" and the "nice" checkboard issues are there

the information I have about my card :

OEM Hardware ID
FUN_0, VEN_1002, DEV_4148,REV_00
Product ID
VEN_1002,DEV_4F72
REV A/1(0)

Video Bios
03/08/06
3749.815
113-957-13-100

[Audiophile]

Well, I just bought a DVD today (star wars trilogy) and decided to watch it.
This shouldn't be a problem since I just formatted my system three days ago, installed MMC with TV and DVD player and the newest ATI dvd Decoder and Catalyst 4.9.
This is with an AIW 9600 Pro.
The DVD playback stutters BADLY, there's big green squares that appear and the image is corrupted...
then the system locks up!
BRAVO ATI!
Why would I expect ATI's drivers to work with ATI's MMC DVD software that's part of this AIW?
ATI should change their slogan to:
ATI: What a Bunch of Monkeys!
Honestly, ATI must have the worst software engineers in the business. So much crap wrong with their stuff...and I mean THEIR STUFF. This is a clean install with no other codecs or DVD software installed. What's the problem here guys?
Jesus...

Anyway, the problem still occurs with all software except media player 10...because I went into advanced video options and disabled overlay for DVD playback.
So I can watch dvds with WMP10 but not ATI's (or anyone else's) own software.
BRAVO!
Keep up the good work team! Maybe you'll have some decent software before it's time to upgrade and I end up going Nvidia!

[Scrapper_511]

I just did a fresh install of WinXP Home, SP1, and SP2, and decided to start fresh with Cat4.9. Installed PowerDVD 4.0 and an old patch for it and soon after it starts to play a DVD it stutters and locks up. Never had this problem w/ the last patch I had which was Cat3.9! Again, this is after a clean install of WinXP w/ fresh new Cat. Argh..!

[Roxen]

Anyone think of updating the firmware on thier dvd drive?

Mine is a Lite-On combo, updated the firmware as soon as I installed it, and use either wmp10 or powerdvd5 and works flawlessly with my 9800pro.

[yatalok]

If you turn it off, the locks up problem goes away. I have different Radeon cards, the Radeon 9600/9700/9800 seems to became not very stable with Hardware video acceleration turned on during MPEG2 files/DVD Discs/vob files playback or what ever video files that use Hardware video acceleration feature, 9200 and older Radeon are not affected.
This cyberlink DVD decoder's Hardware video acceleration option is set to disable by default, you may turn it off if your hardware support it.

[Pisi78]

The latest Omega driver based on latest beta solved the problem of the overlay at least for me. Only with WMV accelleration on, if I turn it off the problem arise again.

If someone can test also with the Official beta, now i don't dare to change again another driver now that it works again

My config.

Athlon 64 3200+ 754
Abit KV8
1 GB Ram
Sapphire 9700 Pro

[yatalok]

2 years ago in the Year 2002, I had my first Radeon, the Radeon 9000PRO, despite the 3D performance gain from my voodoo 3000, the card fails to work with RealONE's overlay real video, it get random locks up. I have had email RealNetwork support, they said Radeon series driver have no support for RealONE player. 7 months later in early Year 2003, ATI released their updated driver with proper RealONE media support. Yes, they need 6 or more months to get their video card to play video correctly. Now, they have again ****ed up the DirectXVA MPEG2 playback for my AIW 9600XT, random locks up with DirectXVA in use during MPEG2 playback, expect them to fix it in the year 2005. I think ATI is trying make us all to buy and use their soft DVD player/DVD decoder, since the ATI DVD player/DVD decoder does not provide the Hardware acceleration option to enable the DirectXVA support, this help them to hide the flaws in their Radeon driver.

[Scrapper_511]

I'm able to play DVDs on WMP and InterActual Player but still a no go on PowerDVD4 even with hardware acclereation turned off. I even reverted to Cat4.3's which I know worked with PowerDVD, but now it doesn't! Nothing different except SP2!! Could SP2 be the culprit?

[Audiophile]

Originally Posted by Scrapper_511

I'm able to play DVDs on WMP and InterActual Player but still a no go on PowerDVD4 even with hardware acclereation turned off. I even reverted to Cat4.3's which I know worked with PowerDVD, but now it doesn't! Nothing different except SP2!! Could SP2 be the culprit?

No. If you remove the Nvidia IDE drivers and use the default MS ones, all will be well.

At least in my very recent experience.

[yatalok]

If you can go back to the Direct 9.0b, the MPEG2 playback with hardware acceleration turned on should work better and more stable. Also you need to make sure your Radeon hardware is working correctly and be able to handle 1 to 2 hours 3Dmark01SE or 03 loops benchmarking in order to verify there aren't other problems.
ATI is kind of slow against new software changing, as I said before, they took almost 7 months just to figure out how to get their product to work correctly with the new RealONE player.

[Tateman]

man, thanks goodness I am not the only one with this problem. I was beginning to lose my mind here. So far, none of the fixes have worked.

xp2500
Asus A78nx deluxe
Gigabyte 9800 pro 128mb

As soon as I go above 4.5, all video goes heywire. Check this out though. If I grab the corner of say WMP, and drag it around, I can see the video playing. As soon as I stop, so does the video.

I have tried fresh install without my tv card. I updated everything I could, including the mobo bios. I was thinking of trying to flash the video cards bios. I haven't tried the dx9c uninstall, btu that seems dumb anyway. ATi needs to just fix this.