Perfect Circle - Mer de Noms Better Than Thirteen Steps?

TheMonkeyBoyz · Sep 29, 2003, 06:44 PM

In listening to both albums lately, I am thinking Mer de Noms is a better album than Thirteenth Step.

It feels more like a "Tool" type album, in terms of some of the low, driving instruments - slower than a Tool album, but a pretty good transition.

Thirteenth Step - I just can't get my head around the album, as a whole I mean. Mer de Noms seems to flow pretty well from start to finish. Thirteenth Step feels somehow "fragmented" as it goes from track to track at times. It feels much more "experimental" and less of a complete work.

PET is perhaps the best song on Thirteenth Step songs. Lyrics are as good on that song as the music is. Very cool.

Blue is not so bad, the Package ain't workin' for me (that "Aeeyeee" thing gets annoying), but Weak and Powerless and The Noose are pretty good.

Songs like Vanishing take some time to get used to. Overall, I think that while there are a couple/few bright spots in Thirteenth Step, Mer de Noms is just a better overall album. Mer de Noms is not about individual tracks for me - but about how well it sounds from start to finish as a complete work.

Is there anyone out there who actually prefers 13 Steps to Mer de Noms? If so, what makes you like Thirteenth Step better?

Niec · Sep 29, 2003, 06:52 PM

I think Mer de Noms is better.

vietnow · Sep 29, 2003, 07:07 PM

Personally I like Mer de Noms better because it is quite flowing, 13 steps, I like only about 65% of the songs with some songs just sounding like what Maynard did with tool when he made random songs that made no sense and generally sounded horrible. However the songs that I do like in 13 steps I generally like more than the individual songs in Mer de Noms, although Magdalena is still my favourite APC song

Just my 2c. Oh yeah first post

palo alto · Sep 29, 2003, 07:08 PM

i think thirteenth step is 10x better than mer de norms...it just hit me better than their first album did. i LOVE "the noose"

TheMonkeyBoyz · Sep 29, 2003, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by vietnow
Personally I like Mer de Noms better because it is quite flowing, 13 steps, I like only about 65% of the songs with some songs just sounding like what Maynard did with tool when he made random songs that made no sense and generally sounded horrible. However the songs that I do like in 13 steps I generally like more than the individual songs in Mer de Noms, although Magdalena is still my favourite APC song

Just my 2c. Oh yeah first post

I thought Aenima from Tool flowed pretty well and is the best album Tool has put out.

vietnow · Sep 29, 2003, 07:12 PM

Yep, Aenima has got to be their best so far, Euology

songs like faap diaod (sp?) if you can even call them songs :P need less of those.

MangaSpawn64 · Sep 29, 2003, 07:14 PM

Weak and powerless is awesome !

I prefer the first one... don't own the album but my friend bought it... from what I've heard I really like it !

Perfect Circle is the kind of band I'm happy to encourage ie not download their album off the net and buying the cd....

ZeroDoom · Sep 29, 2003, 07:21 PM

Thirteen Steps is no better then Mer de Noms IMHO. I feel its Mer de Noms continued.

Acquired Hate · Sep 29, 2003, 10:39 PM

Aaaarrgghhh! I hate being the grammar/pronunciation police, but please.

Thirteenth Step!!!!!!!!!!!

and NOT thirteen steps!

... BTW, I concur that Mer de Noms was a better flowing album.

YellowBeard · Sep 29, 2003, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Acquired Hate
Aaaarrgghhh! I hate being the grammar/pronunciation police, but please.

Thirteenth Step!!!!!!!!!!!

and NOT thirteen steps!

... BTW, I concur that Mer de Noms was a better flowing album.

Do you concur?

Haven't had the chance to listen to the new one yet... I'm poor and lack funds for gratuitous cd buying.

NiDan · Sep 30, 2003, 12:00 AM

mer de noms was great... thirteenth step is far too slow for my taste.

I'll still take Tool over A Perfect Circle any day of the week though.

TheMonkeyBoyz · Sep 30, 2003, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NiDan
mer de noms was great... thirteenth step is far too slow for my taste.

I'll still take Tool over A Perfect Circle any day of the week though.

I think you are right - Thirteenth Step is too slow and melodic at points. I expected it to have some guttural punch to it, but with few exceptions, it doesn't have that feeling of powerful driving undercurrents that Mer de Noms had.

GravY · Sep 30, 2003, 10:32 AM

mer de noms by far.

Lindset · Sep 30, 2003, 11:19 AM

dunno.. it's quite different from mer de noms, but I really enjoy it just like I enjoyed mer de noms.. but in a different way.. kinda.. uh..

Elite · Sep 30, 2003, 11:33 AM

New album is better. It's true that Mer is more "Tool-like", but that's what Tool albums are for.

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TheMonkeyBoyz Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: United States Posts: 14,361	Perfect Circle - Mer de Noms Better Than Thirteenth Step? In listening to both albums lately, I am thinking Mer de Noms is a better album than Thirteenth Step. It feels more like a "Tool" type album, in terms of some of the low, driving instruments - slower than a Tool album, but a pretty good transition. Thirteenth Step - I just can't get my head around the album, as a whole I mean. Mer de Noms seems to flow pretty well from start to finish. Thirteenth Step feels somehow "fragmented" as it goes from track to track at times. It feels much more "experimental" and less of a complete work. PET is perhaps the best song on Thirteenth Step songs. Lyrics are as good on that song as the music is. Very cool. Blue is not so bad, the Package ain't workin' for me (that "Aeeyeee" thing gets annoying), but Weak and Powerless and The Noose are pretty good. Songs like Vanishing take some time to get used to. Overall, I think that while there are a couple/few bright spots in Thirteenth Step, Mer de Noms is just a better overall album. Mer de Noms is not about individual tracks for me - but about how well it sounds from start to finish as a complete work. Is there anyone out there who actually prefers 13 Steps to Mer de Noms? If so, what makes you like Thirteenth Step better? Last edited by TheMonkeyBoyz : Sep 30, 2003 at 06:44 AM.

Sep 29, 2003, 06:52 PM	#2
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ZeroDoom Ship Crew Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Brandon, Florida Posts: 2,342	Thirteen Steps is no better then Mer de Noms IMHO. I feel its Mer de Noms continued. __________________ -That was pretty interesting, but dropping a warship on me is cheating...take it back! -Er, no offense, but you are a robot, aren't you?

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Acquired Hate Radeon HD 5570 Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 42	Aaaarrgghhh! I hate being the grammar/pronunciation police, but please. Thirteenth Step!!!!!!!!!!! and NOT thirteen steps! ... BTW, I concur that Mer de Noms was a better flowing album. __________________ The lives we make never seem to ever get us anywhere but dead.

Sep 29, 2003, 07:07 PM	#3
vietnow Capitalism Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ozstraya Posts: 229	Personally I like Mer de Noms better because it is quite flowing, 13 steps, I like only about 65% of the songs with some songs just sounding like what Maynard did with tool when he made random songs that made no sense and generally sounded horrible. However the songs that I do like in 13 steps I generally like more than the individual songs in Mer de Noms, although Magdalena is still my favourite APC song Just my 2c. Oh yeah first post

Sep 29, 2003, 07:08 PM	#4
palo alto User Selected Join Date: May 2002 Location: ny Posts: 1,174	i think thirteenth step is 10x better than mer de norms...it just hit me better than their first album did. i LOVE "the noose"

Sep 29, 2003, 07:12 PM	#6
vietnow Capitalism Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ozstraya Posts: 229	Yep, Aenima has got to be their best so far, Euology songs like faap diaod (sp?) if you can even call them songs :P need less of those.

Sep 29, 2003, 07:14 PM	#7
MangaSpawn64 RIP Vengy. We <3 ya ! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Quebec City Posts: 5,532	Weak and powerless is awesome ! I prefer the first one... don't own the album but my friend bought it... from what I've heard I really like it ! Perfect Circle is the kind of band I'm happy to encourage ie not download their album off the net and buying the cd....

Sep 30, 2003, 12:00 AM	#11
NiDan ...because we can. Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 945	mer de noms was great... thirteenth step is far too slow for my taste. I'll still take Tool over A Perfect Circle any day of the week though.

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Sep 30, 2003, 11:19 AM	#14
Lindset Arrrhhh Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Norway Posts: 3,046	dunno.. it's quite different from mer de noms, but I really enjoy it just like I enjoyed mer de noms.. but in a different way.. kinda.. uh.. __________________ If a bird craps on your windshield --- don't ask her out again.

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Elite Radeon HD 5770 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 276	New album is better. It's true that Mer is more "Tool-like", but that's what Tool albums are for.

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